I think Anderson has it summed up quite well in this thread - from what I have read!
Hip Hop History
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IT is a sad statement but you can't deny what is fact.
Dope dope dope video
These 2 make good music together
These 2 make good music together
Trust me, I hope they work together more in the future, shame Weezy has to go jail over some silly shit
What's the song? The Youtube link isn't showing on my phone?
Is it Wayne and Eminem? Drop the world?
Is it Wayne and Eminem? Drop the world?
Dah!
I'm just seeing this thread, but Lil Wayne, Eminem and Drake rapping on the same stage is hip hop history?
No.
Si!
History? Maybe, but it is significant given the two of them are the genres biggest stars that have taken two VERY different points to their current position.
Both are legends (In some say) so it is a bit historical.
I get that Em is a legend but are you saying lil' Wayne is?
To an extent, he is considered one by the masses... His discography and such warrants discussion, he essentially wrote and revolutionized/created the bling movement which until right now was the main force in commercial hip-hop... He's good, he's not great in my opinion, but his track record and such have him down as a legend.
People tend to forget he's been in the industry for MANY years, the Hot Boys are legends in the South and their sound re-defined Southern hip-hop, maybe for the worse but you can't deny its popularity.
In terms of popularity, he is a legend... In terms of what I CONSIDER a legend, he isn't.
He's not a legend.
He rhymes about dumb shit.
Although slightly entertaining, his songs have a short shelf life...nothing in comparison to real legends i.e. Big L, Big Pun, B.I.G...etc...
He rhymes about dumb shit.
Although slightly entertaining, his songs have a short shelf life...nothing in comparison to real legends i.e. Big L, Big Pun, B.I.G...etc...
He's a legend in a sense that he makes me believe that even I could be a hip hop star.
I think we both know that popularity means nothing if you're not particularly exceptional at rapping or writing rhymes and I don't beleive that Wayne is particularly exceptional at either.
As for revolutionizing/creating the bling movement that movement was around for long before him(even during his underground days) and I can't see what his done to change it as it hasn't really gone anywhere since the late 90's.
Nowhere near a legend just one of many rappers around today who's popularity completely eludes me as I can't really see any discernable talent in what they do.
Bling has always been a part of hip hop. LL Cool J, Big Daddy Kane, even Rakim and Eric B wore big gold chains back in the day! The infiltration of bling into almost every popular song today can be traced back to Puff Daddy. He was the pioneer of all that. Lil Wayne may have furthered the reach of bling, ice and the chrome rims into every song that currently plays on my radio on Power 107.5, but it was inevitable after music videos and songs such "It's All about the Benjamins", "Victory", and "Mo Money Mo Problems".
How does his track record make him a legend. Granted, the idiot (he's going to jail for a weapon charge) puts out an astonishing amount of work, but I would rate his work 6.5/10 average, with some outstanding verses/songs. It's a lot better than what is out there nowadays (Nikki Minaj FFS) but compared to legends of the past and the present, he still has some way to go. He could start by releasing a classic album.
The Hot Boys released 2 very good albums in my opinion, and they sold very well, but if they are legends, what would you call southern groups like Outkast, Geto Boys, UGK, Goodie Mob, some of who have outsold the Hot Boys, and are all more critically acclaimed? How about the Ying Yang Twins, Lil Jon and his crew? Their sound had a greater impact on the popular sound of the last decade in my opinion. Sorry I'm being a pedantic cnut.
If he manages to pull off this rock rap collaboration, he would be a legend in that regard, for gaining a large fanbase who would otherwise be uninterested. Run DMC did this on "Raising Hell", but I'm not sure as to what the impact was.
Lil Wayne is very popular right now, so was Jim Jones, so was Puff Daddy, Kid n' Play, Craig Mack at some time. Today they are recognized as commercial juggernauts, but as to legendary status? Lil Wayne has time on his hands, and can still get to that point, but he isn't there yet IMO.
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God knows how much I can't stand Jim Jones
Good posts, I see some disagree, I respect though for sure.
I think he's only wrote two meaningful verses and those were on the Blakroc track with Mos Def.
And he's still living of the success, which "Ballin" was years ago.
to be honest, the first verse on the Blakroc single was one of the best verses of last year
I can't get into Blakroc at all, I gave all the tunes a proper listen, but I came out with nothing.
I thought Eminem's career had died a death, but it seems he's back doing his uncanny impression of Bugs Bunny yet again. His popularity never ceases to amaze me.
Rappers like El-P have 100 times his talent and only get a fraction of the attention.
Rappers like El-P have 100 times his talent and only get a fraction of the attention.
His collaborations with Lil' Wayne were fantastic... I just hope he gets away from the seriel killing/drug addict persona "voice"
I actually rate Jim Jones, he has good delivery and flow and if he was more consistant with his writing he could be a real force in the game.
BANG!
Damn right, El-P is a real genius, the hype over Eminem's whole career has baffled me. He has never been right up there, never. Not to mention he stole most of his career from Masta Ace.....
All I have to say on the matter is The Cold Vein.....
These aren't necessarily all of my favorites, but they do take me back to better time in Hip Hop:
Yo! MTV Raps.
Yo! MTV Raps.
Whatchu talking about Willis?
Classic Eminem
Off Drake's new album
Drizzy Drake is better than Biggy,Pac and Big L put together
I joke I joke!!!!!
Drizzy Drake is better than Biggy,Pac and Big L put together
I joke I joke!!!!!
Are you serious? The guy's fecking awful, I know I know I should take it elsewhere and that, but your last statement was criminal! It's not even the same genre!
Drake's going to be Big L's bitch slave in the afterlife.
Eminem has always said that Masta Ace was one of the biggest influences throughout his life, in terms of the music he wanted to make. That aside, he took his style, and you can see in his earlier material it's almost exact, and made it a commercial success.
Are you serious? The guy's fecking awful, I know I know I should take it elsewhere and that, but your last statement was criminal! It's not even the same genre!
Drake's going to be Big L's bitch slave in the afterlife.
and they told me you knew hip hop.....
Are you serious? The guy's fecking awful, I know I know I should take it elsewhere and that, but your last statement was criminal! It's not even the same genre!
Drake's going to be Big L's bitch slave in the afterlife.
I won't say he is awful Hectic, certainly nowhere near Big L and the likes but to me he's bit of fresh air amongst all this heavy commercial bullshite you find nowadays. He actually has some clever witty lines and a decent flow. So to say he's awful is just plain wrong, ditto for saying he's up there with Big L, BIG and the likes.
Blablabla, just listen to the music you like and enjoy it will you? Personally, I think Lil' Wayne is a unimportant cumstain on the kingsize bedsheet of hip-hop, but I won't deny other people the right to like him.
A 'legend' is such an undefineable label. You just end up going round for round on what constitutes one. Instead, can't people try to enlighten others about their favorite artist, without adding unnecessary labels and superlatives? In that way, we can learn from eachother about the Drakes and the Jim Jones' and (God help me) even the Lil' Waynes. 'cause I got to admit I know close to feck all about these artists.
A 'legend' is such an undefineable label. You just end up going round for round on what constitutes one. Instead, can't people try to enlighten others about their favorite artist, without adding unnecessary labels and superlatives? In that way, we can learn from eachother about the Drakes and the Jim Jones' and (God help me) even the Lil' Waynes. 'cause I got to admit I know close to feck all about these artists.
No,no,no he's better than Big L, 2pac and definitely Biggy. He's the greatest to ever do it, period.
Drizzy =g.o.a.t
Are you serious? The guy's fecking awful, I know I know I should take it elsewhere and that, but your last statement was criminal! It's not even the same genre!
Drake's going to be Big L's bitch slave in the afterlife.
Sometimes I do not understand you one bit... You honestly need to just grow up and accept people have different tastes, and accept that the genre of music you seem to have claimed as YOURS is EVOLVING.
He didn't "take" shit, you do realise that styles and shit get passed down, right?
Eminem inherited the skills of Ace who he looked at as a mentor... Didn;t you listen to the interview they had a few years back?
To be fair, I was joking about Drake being better than Pac