Argentinians being biased and crying about the referees. What else is new?
Higuain´s foul against Neuer
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Actually a lot of the comments to that article are mostly sensible argentinians saying not to cry over at best a polemic decision. Fair play to them, in the bottom of their hearts they know they got to the final thanks to the easy fixtures they got.
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Look, I just dislike you as a sports nation since the stuff your players pulled after the 2006 quarter final. Don't ask me to provide evidence. 
I did read a Newspaper headline whining about not getting a penalty for Higuain, but ignoring the incidents with Kramer, multiple incidents with Schweinsteiger, etc.
I did read a Newspaper headline whining about not getting a penalty for Higuain, but ignoring the incidents with Kramer, multiple incidents with Schweinsteiger, etc.
I'm sorry for generalizing, marcosdeto. The internet just makes me angry. 
It's not hypothetical, though
While there may not have been contact between his knee and head, how the fcuk does that make it any less dangerous or reckless? Jesus wept.
Don't despair. There are people that share your opinion on this matter.
definitely not a penalty but ref was a moron to give a foul on gonzalo
I'm sorry for generalizing, marcosdeto. The internet just makes me angry.
dont worry mate, makes me angry too
cheers
Can anyone give me an example of a keeper winning the ball and being sent off for the collision that followed?
I believe it should be a foul but rightly or wrongly a foul is never given.
It would have been an outrageous decision to send a player off in the WC final for something that keepers get away with every week.
On the other hand, think of the outrage if the Liverpool keeper did that to Rooney.
I believe it should be a foul but rightly or wrongly a foul is never given.
It would have been an outrageous decision to send a player off in the WC final for something that keepers get away with every week.
On the other hand, think of the outrage if the Liverpool keeper did that to Rooney.
Therein lies the fundamental difference. Keepers, by definition, will regularly have both feet off the ground and not be in control of their body at all times. Unless they are into flapping, them being decisive can be construed as using excessive force as well.
Of course the treatment is different, there are twenty players on the pitch who can't use their hands and two that can, that completely changes how they go about things and what they are expected to do or not to do with their bodies.
Wrong decision to give Germany the freekick but thats about it, both are going for the Ball and Neuer jumps in like a good GK should
Any time I read through the rules I appreciate refs more. To know all of them and be able to make the correct decision and apply it in the heat of a game is very difficult.
Agreed. I mean.....look at this unheard of incident.. looks like Shilton has just tried to punch Maradona's fecking head off. Still photos(especially from a carefully chosen angle which exaggerates the danger of the challenge) are pointless.
Maradona: See I told you it was self-defense, your honour. I had no choice, but to use my hand, otherwise he´d taken my head off.
It was a joke and I´m not English.
oh ... i see ...
get over that joke, better jokes have been said since then
Longtime lurker, but as a former goalie I cannot believe this one is even up for debate.
Higuain knew Neuer was on his way to make a play on the ball. He looked at Neuer twice, misjudged the ball, and made contact with the keeper after Neuer parried the ball. If there's anybody that played in a dangerous manner it's Higuain, risking injury to himself and the goalie.
Higuain knew Neuer was on his way to make a play on the ball. He looked at Neuer twice, misjudged the ball, and made contact with the keeper after Neuer parried the ball. If there's anybody that played in a dangerous manner it's Higuain, risking injury to himself and the goalie.
You obviously can't jump without raising your knees but who the feck jumps like this normally? He's not gaining any extra height/leverage from his right knee being there. It's purely to protect his body from Higuain.
Umm he did, see above. He luckily didn't catch Higuain flush in the temple as his shoulder took most of the hit, but that's not any detailed calculation on Neuer's behalf.
Umm he did, see above. He luckily didn't catch Higuain flush in the temple as his shoulder took most of the hit, but that's not any detailed calculation on Neuer's behalf.
Nah your leading knee would naturally follow your leading arm.
Keepers can clean out strikers if they take the ball and it's not two footed/elbow.
Stop trying to neuter the game.
Umm he did, see above. He luckily didn't catch Higuain flush in the temple as his shoulder took most of the hit, but that's not any detailed calculation on Neuer's behalf.
Why do people still insist on using still images? Yes that looks bad but the knee never hits Higuain, its the side of Neuers leg which makes a huge difference.
You're right about that. A friend made a ref licence when we were youngsters and he kept teasing me to define offside in one sentence. Needless to say I never got it right. We all still know when it's offside, though. No need to define it... fecksake. :P
He, the act itself is not the reason why it gets digged out every now and then. It's the fecking balls to make claims that god helped him... that's blasphemy if nothing else.
I disagree with many of those individuals who state that Neuer should have been red carded and/or a penalty should have been given. I agree with referee Ricolas Rizzoli's ruling that Higuain was at fault and that no penalty/free kick was given in favor of Argentina. Under FIFA's Rule 12 it states
LAW 12 – FOULS AND MISCONDUCT
Offences committed against goalkeepers
• It is an offence for a player to prevent a goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands
• A player must be penalised for playing in a dangerous manner if he kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it
• It is an offence to restrict the movement of the goalkeeper by unfairly impeding him, e.g. at the taking of a corner kick
Under the current rules, the goal keepers are protected from even the slightest touch by oppents. Neuer had the right to go after the ball as did Higuain, but here's the catch: Neuer touched the ball first thus negating a foul or a red card and was then TOUCHED by Higuain (under the FIFA rule this is a foul by Higuain). Being the goal keeper, Neuer has every right to protect himself - this is why he lifts his knee (no ill intent was motive as you can see in the picture he is looking at the ball). As a result, a foul was given. If Neuer had first tackled Higuain THEN touched the ball or didn't even go for the call then I would not be writing this. Good call!!!!
LAW 12 – FOULS AND MISCONDUCT
Offences committed against goalkeepers
• It is an offence for a player to prevent a goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands
• A player must be penalised for playing in a dangerous manner if he kicks or attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing it
• It is an offence to restrict the movement of the goalkeeper by unfairly impeding him, e.g. at the taking of a corner kick
Under the current rules, the goal keepers are protected from even the slightest touch by oppents. Neuer had the right to go after the ball as did Higuain, but here's the catch: Neuer touched the ball first thus negating a foul or a red card and was then TOUCHED by Higuain (under the FIFA rule this is a foul by Higuain). Being the goal keeper, Neuer has every right to protect himself - this is why he lifts his knee (no ill intent was motive as you can see in the picture he is looking at the ball). As a result, a foul was given. If Neuer had first tackled Higuain THEN touched the ball or didn't even go for the call then I would not be writing this. Good call!!!!