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Higuain´s foul against Neuer
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In GAA, if "the ball was there", you can pretty much do what you want. We need this rule in soccer. Toughen cnuts up.
Seriously? His hands are relevant because he's one of only two players on the pitch who are allowed to touch the ball with their hands without being penalized. As such, they're held to a different standard, especially in their area.
at first -during the game- i thought it was a penalty, then it was repeated over and over again and i thought that it wasnt,
but it also wasnt an higuain foul either
The reality is that it is different for keepers and will be unless a major rule change is initiated.
If it wasn't different for keepers not one would be able to claim crosses or make punches as they'd immediately be whistled for dangerous play.
Completely irrelevant. So what? the rules protect the gk, see Romero vs Klose, when Romero knew full well that he was protected by the rules. There has always been that way, pathetic by the argies to act like victims, when their own gk was pulling the same sh1te.
not everyone has your class, panache and savoir fair
Right, but why is hands relevant when it comes to discussing a dangerous tackle with the knee? Had Higuain done it to Neuer it'd be a foul and rightly so.
I think he means because they can't stabilise a fall/loss of balance with their hands since they have to use them to hold the ball.
His knee would not have been where it was if he wasn't jumping to play the ball with his hands, as he is allowed to do. If Neuer had to play the ball with his head, there's a decent chance he'd have been called for a foul, as we often seee with defenders climbing over forward players for a header.
At no point did their own goalkeeper come sprinting out, leap about 12 foot in the air and smash a guy at face height with his leg.
He may be allowed to jump like that but when he does so into an opposing player at face/head level then it becomes an incredibly dangerous challenge to make.
Sure, but outfield players know this. I know when I go up for a header at a corner there's a decent chance I'll be punched in the head. Doesn't stop me from challenging for the ball and I certainly don't expect to win a penalty for it. Now, if I'm dribbling into the area and a keeper knees me in the shoulder or punches me in the head, I'll expect a penalty but that's another scenario entirely.
This, too. Infact, Neuer used his legs to minimize the potential damage both he and Higuain would have suffered if he flew in with zero consideration.
Yes it is different for the gk's, and no, the rules will never be changed. This type of collision is regulated in favor of gk, with good reason. The strikers know this, those who act like they don't, like Higuain, are frikkin
actors (cheaters).
What about when a long ball is played and you're giving chase down the line but a defender comes charging across and leaps into the air, has his knee level with your head and totally flattens you while heading the ball out of play. Wouldn't you expect to be protected by the referee in that instance?
If you can get up and win the ball safely then fair enough. When you have complete disregard for the other guy's safety and fly into him in such a way, then issues arise, imo.
Goalkeepers are different to outfield players. How do you not get this.
Because I believe that a dangerous challenge is a dangerous challenge. I'm not saying Neuer shouldn't jump like that. I'm saying that when his actions wipe out another player at head level then it's a dangerous challenge. How do you not get that?
Is there a rule stating that keepers are treated different though? If so, show me where it says that dangerous play only applies to outfield players.
They are treated differently, but the rules don't state that and are inconsistent - see defenders getting punished for using elbows in the centre circle, but not whilst defending corners in the same manner - these are flaws in the way the rules are applied
Well somebody post the rule on dangerous play so we can settle this.
Higuain was the one who made the challenge a challenge. Neuer is perfectly entitled to jump for a ball, any ball which comes into his box. If Higuain doesn't pelt into him at speed and threaten to flip him as he's in the process of catching a ball then there is no challenge and no problem. Goalkeepers do not have the use of their hands to catch their fall and if they are hit while in the air it can be an extremely dangerous situation(see: Rugby), so the goalkeeper will always be and should always be favoured entirely.
A defender will never catch me in that situation.
But if I didn't jump and the defender did, I wouldn't be surprised if I gave up a free kick, to be honest. When I decide not to jump I'm no longer challenging for the ball and it would seem I'm attempting to keep my opponent from playing the ball.
Isn't Higuain as entitled as Neuer to make a play for the ball?
It's nonsense to suggest Higuain is the one who made the challenge a challenge
Neuer came charging out and leaped up into him ffs. Higuain was simply chasing down the ball and had his eyes on the ball and was flattened. You're suggesting that the referee was right to penalise Higuain. That, of course, is utter bollocks.
I absolutely think the ref was right to penalise Higuain by the laws of the game, not people's "feels" or how it looked. He took out a goalkeeper while he was in the air catching a ball in his box. That's not allowed.Isn't Higuain as entitled as Neuer to make a play for the ball?
It's nonsense to suggest Higuain is the one who made the challenge a challenge
You're suggesting that the referee was right to penalise Higuain. That, of course, is utter bollocks.
A defender will never catch me in that situation.
But if I didn't jump and the defender did, I wouldn't be surprised if I gave up a free kick, to be honest. When I decide not to jump I'm no longer challenging for the ball and it would seem I'm attempting to keep my opponent from playing the ball.
But surely under such circumstances you don't need to jump? You're the attacker, you want the ball on the ground. Why jump and head it when you can let it bounce and dribble thus increasing your chances of scoring a goal.
Well we're looking at it from completely different viewpoints then.
You see Higuain taking Neuer out and say it's not allowed. I see Neuer leaping into the air, leading with his knee, and flattening an attacker (who had every right to be in that position, let's not deny this). That is not allowed.
It is perfectly allowed and you see it often at corners. And he led with his thigh.
What you don't get is that players can use their hands to protect themselves, while the gk's hands are occupied with the ball, thus they cannot use their hands to protect themselves. If they can't use their legs, they are totally defenseless, and can be heavily injured.
It being jumping into an attacker with your knee at head height? Yep, perfectly legal. Come on.
Thigh at shoulder height, yes. It is perfectly legal and you see it often.
Of course Higuain is entitled to make a play for the ball but he was never going to get this one and despite knowing Neuer was approaching he was blindly following the ball.Isn't Higuain as entitled as Neuer to make a play for the ball?
It's nonsense to suggest Higuain is the one who made the challenge a challenge
You're suggesting that the referee was right to penalise Higuain. That, of course, is utter bollocks.
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So in that situation, neither of us has posession of the ball, it's a 50/50 situation. If I want the ball I need to challenge for it, if I don't then someone else will take it.
I do get that. What I don't get is why that makes it acceptable to do clatter a guy at head height leading with your knee! Another thing which I really disagree with is the complete disregard for the attacker's safety while overcompensating for the goalkeepers.
I'll give a rather (admittedly) extreme example. With no opposition around you, I'd imagine you could jump onto the ball with both feet. Do it in a 50/50 challenge with another player and it's a red every day of the week. It's not about what challenge is or isn't acceptable. It's about that challenge endangering another player and that is absolutely what Neuer's challenge did.
Yeah, but the argument is they're taking it a dangerous manner and should be penalised accordingly.
I'm not sure why you bring this up all the time. If you're too late, then you're not allowed to make a play for the ball, especially not one that endangers the other player or in this case actually both players. If you don't have a chance to reach the ball first, you stay away? It's like asking if someone who is a second late for a tackle and commits a foul isn't allowed to challenge for the ball. Of course not. The moment the keeper has his hands on the ball, it's his and there's no further challenge allowed.
Stop going on about leading with your knee. It is basic goalkeeping technique in order to minimise the risk for the keeper, as that situation is one of the most dangerous possible in football.
Higuain was seeking the danger. Every striker knows what he is risking if he is going to challenge for a high ball in the box.
And which part of Neuer actually impacted with Higuain? The thigh. At shoulder height.