Good grief????? Higuain was going for the ball, he didnt play the man at all. Are you blind??????
Higuain´s foul against Neuer
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Good grief????? Higuain was going for the ball, he didnt play the man at all. Are you blind??????
What I said in the Match Thread was...
I think a penalty for that would've been the more controversial call. Free kick in the box is a possibility. I wouldn't have been outraged by it, but the argument that Neuer is going for and gets the ball would have been argued just as much. So it's one I don't really blame the ref for not taking a big, game changing stance on.
That said it's obviously not Higuain's foul. But then, unless you were convinced Argentina would've definitely scored from the resulting throw in, it's not really that huge of an injustice.
I think a penalty for that would've been the more controversial call. Free kick in the box is a possibility. I wouldn't have been outraged by it, but the argument that Neuer is going for and gets the ball would have been argued just as much. So it's one I don't really blame the ref for not taking a big, game changing stance on.
That said it's obviously not Higuain's foul. But then, unless you were convinced Argentina would've definitely scored from the resulting throw in, it's not really that huge of an injustice.
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Keepers get ridiculous cover these days so that kind of contact always results in the keeper's advantage. Its really stupid and just inconsistent at the best of times.
probably you are right, but i think that it was a very dangerous move by neuer and should have been awarded an indirect kick for argentina, the foul that the ref called was ridiculous
i really dont understand how a player can foul another one with his left ear
Are you blind ??? Higuain had no chance to get to the ball before Neuer. How can you say that he did not play the man at all, when there was the clear colision????? Good gried indeed. You know what Higuain did not play at all ???? The frikking ball.
Referees seem to forget they can give those for some reason. I'd actually like them given more. Ideally penalties should only be for goal scoring opportunities.
Though it's a huge can of worms to try and enforce that.
Argentina throw in.
A case could be made for an indirect free kick, I suppose, but it wasn't a foul by Higuain nor a penalty-worthy foul (if that makes sense)
A case could be made for an indirect free kick, I suppose, but it wasn't a foul by Higuain nor a penalty-worthy foul (if that makes sense)
Here are the FIFA rules:
Careless, reckless, using excessive force
“Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention or
consideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.
• No further disciplinary sanction is needed if a foul is judged to be careless
“Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard to the
danger to, or consequences for, his opponent.
• A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned
“Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessary
use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.
• A player who uses excessive force must be sent off
So which one would you argue? This is bizarre.
Careless, reckless, using excessive force
“Careless” means that the player has shown a lack of attention or
consideration when making a challenge or that he acted without precaution.
• No further disciplinary sanction is needed if a foul is judged to be careless
“Reckless” means that the player has acted with complete disregard to the
danger to, or consequences for, his opponent.
• A player who plays in a reckless manner must be cautioned
“Using excessive force” means that the player has far exceeded the necessary
use of force and is in danger of injuring his opponent.
• A player who uses excessive force must be sent off
So which one would you argue? This is bizarre.
higuains foul, of course
Question is, was the referee better or worse than Howard Webb in 2010?
You can't give an indirect free kick for dangerous play for that challenge. Indirect free kick for dangerous play is given only if there is no contact, if there is a contact it's no longer dangerous play - these are the rules. It's either a penalty or a throw-in. If the keeper didn't get the ball it would've been a penalty.
Neuer went for the ball which was miles above Higuain.
If that was defender (rather than a keeper) and there was knee to head contact then I could see it being a foul for high feet or 'knees' ?
Given that he'd clearly punched the ball before contact was made (follow through) then I can see why it wasn't given.
It's one that's down to the ref and you can can make a fair case either way.
Out of interest - players get pulled up for it all the time once they 'launch' themselves so when a keeper leaves the ground - when is he considered 'out of control' ?
If that was defender (rather than a keeper) and there was knee to head contact then I could see it being a foul for high feet or 'knees' ?
Given that he'd clearly punched the ball before contact was made (follow through) then I can see why it wasn't given.
It's one that's down to the ref and you can can make a fair case either way.
Out of interest - players get pulled up for it all the time once they 'launch' themselves so when a keeper leaves the ground - when is he considered 'out of control' ?
No, you can't give indirect free kick for dangerous play if there is contact.
hard to say, howards webb had a very bad decision with De Jong, but then he oficiated really good
and, because spain won, that decisión didnt affected the outcome of the game
the italian tonight should have redcarded aguero and howedes
but i guess that FIFA asked the refs not to do that
i'm convinced that this is the world cup with less penalties, yellow cards and redcards every awarded
Huh. Well then its a throw in.
Of course it was. There was a heavy colision, Neuer played the ball, Higuain did not, and Neuer did not impede higuain to play the ball, before Neuer played the ball. Clear higuain foul. The ref was absolutely right.
Absolutely pathetic by the argies, to blame the ref, because they could not finish 1on1 with the gk. Pathetic
sorry, didnt mean to upset you
Every defender should be allowed to run full steam and clatter into forwards after they have headed the ball away from an opposing goal kick then? Let's get a few more injuries like Neymar's out there.
Ole is still blaming the ref. http://www.ole.com.ar/mundial/argentina/Calentura-penal_0_1174082920.html
Pathetic. Maybe they should blame their players payed with millions of euros, who could not convert 1on1 chances with the german gk.
LOL another pathetic straw_man. Neuer did not run after Higuain, the collision happened immediately after he made contact with the ball.
Going in with your knee, in the air, out of control. I would say Reckless.
I remember few years back when Lampard lunged in on Alonso and clearly won the ball but got sent off because the tackle was considered reckless. Similar things have happened in the past, Gerrard vs carrick in FA cup and Shevley and Evans.
If it was an outfield player that is a clear foul. My first reaction to it was that Neuer won the ball and it should have been a throw in and never a foul on Higuain, but seeing that tackle again, Neuer goes in for the ball, with no care for the player. That's reckless to me.
so what? have you seen the dutch papers before the game against argentina? have i claimed that that was pathetic from the dutchs?
ole can do whatever the feck they want, but don't blame me for that, stick to what i am saying
Everything said in another thread. No penalty, no foul. Period.
I didn't care who won the final, so no, not really.
Defenders don't have to run after players. It is more than likely that a player from the opposing team will contend for a ball in the air as a result of a goal kick. Defenders should run full steam, win the ball, and take out the opposing player on the follow through using their knees/legs.
Neuer knew what he was doing and took the advantage to clatter Higuain knowing that he'd likely get away with it. I thought it was dangerous play but only after several slo-mo replays.
Genuine question as we hear it a lot when outfield players leave the ground - When is a keeper considered out of control ?
Exactly. People saying this is fine would complain if someone like Luiz made sure he did the same for every aerial challenge after winning a header.
Anyone who thinks that's a penalty should feck off and play tiddlywinks or something.
There has to be a consistency to the decisions. If it was some outfield player, it is a clear foul. Is it not?.
I have no prejudice in this and as I said in my previous post, when I watched the game live, I thought Neuer won the ball and it was a throw in to Argentina.
But having looked at it again, the tackle looks reckless to me.
I dunno if you've ever jumped. But moving your legs does give you an advantage when you try.
I seem to remember keepers are now expected to not charge with their knees up like that and just sort of jump in an upright position. It never made any sense to me, sounds completely unnatural, but I see the logic re: potential head injuries.
That said, I do like keepers pretty much owning their box and putting themselves about, if the forwards can't live with them that's their problem. No idea how it was an Higuaín foul though, clear throw in IMO.
It's good goalkeeping and should have been an Argentina throw. Unlucky tonight but never in a trillion years is that a fecking penalty.
I think there are times when players get to make a challenge knowing that it will be legal but it will also hurt the opponent. It comes down the cuntishness of the individual as to whether they take that opportunity. Personally I wouldn't do it unless it was against another cnut who deserved it.
there's also an element of Neuer protecting himself by leading with his knee. Is that legal or not?
You appear to be taking this quite badly marcos, lol.
Another classic one here:
Proper goalkeeping. My penalty area, my zone, you can feck right off if you want the ball ahead of me. Too fecking right.
Proper goalkeeping. My penalty area, my zone, you can feck right off if you want the ball ahead of me. Too fecking right.Is correct. From an Argentina standpoint the failure of Higuain, Messi or Palacio to take one of them chances was the difference in my opinion.
Another classic one here:
Spot on, a lot of whinging over nothing. You can tell the difference between posters that have or haven't played football.
Non of the players was commiting a foul. To call it in favor of Germany was the stupid but neither was it a foul in favor of Argentina considering that Neuer got to the ball first. End of story.