High-profile killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO in New York

I'm seeing a lot stories of scared CEO's on reddit today.
Especially the photo's of Musk carrying a child as a human shield all day :rolleyes: He's usually never with his children...
 

Fully expecting the AI to come back with a black suspect and the cops to just say "Yup. That must be the guy."

Either that or the NYPD is going to be on the lookout for an eleven fingered suspect with three arms standing in a crowd of people who also have variations of his face.
 
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I guess someone has to run these companies even if the whole situation is fecked up.
Pressure from my investors to make more money etc.
But at the heart of it if you don’t deliver what you promise that is…. I don’t know the word but wicked (not in the lenny Henry sense of the word) springs to mind.
I can understand the motive and whilst it is extreme probably this guy had a friend or relative that died as a result and so he thought that was fair retribution.
In his situation it’s hard to disagree.
 
Unfortunately, it's becoming a common story that many people in the US don't call an ambulance (and die at home) because they can't afford to pay for it.
My wife had several patients withdraw from the ICU against medical advice to do just that because they didn’t want their family to lose the house / go bankrupt
 
“What’s most disturbing is the ability of people to hide behind their keyboards and lose their humanity” isn’t that how they deny most of their claims?
No. If you decide that this is the industry for you when leaving uni you already had nothing to lose.
 
On the contrary, I think this has been a unifying moment of fundamental human decency. Humanity is being expressed in the recognition of this cruel and exploitative system and in a desire for justice to be done, regardless of the crude nature that justice took.

The act itself is a complex thing to judge. It's in that John Brown territory of how much violence can be justified. However the public reaction has been a moral one, that's reflective of compassion and decency, and even a degree of class consciousness.

It's those vested corporate interests that are desperate to paint this as "horrifying" and "shocking", and the pearl clutching scolds trying to shutdown the celebrations, who are lacking in humanity.
 
On the contrary, I think this has been a unifying moment of fundamental human decency. Humanity is being expressed in the recognition of this cruel and exploitative system and in a desire for justice to be done, regardless of the crude nature that justice took.

The act itself is a complex thing to judge. It's in that John Brown territory of how much violence can be justified. However the public reaction has been a moral one, that's reflective of compassion and decency, and even a degree of class consciousness.

It's those vested corporate interests that are desperate to paint this as "horrifying" and "shocking", and the pearl clutching scolds trying to shutdown the celebrations, who are lacking in humanity.
Yep. That's why I said the GoFundMe for this will either break records or be shut down (if he's caught, and not killed on sight) as it enables the masses to show support against this horrid and cruel system.

The global awareness this case has generated has been incredible. One man's sacrifice, and all that.
 
I can’t get behind people praising this, irrespective of if the victim was a piece of shit.

Gunning down anyone in the middle of the street is unacceptable and puts others at risk.
 


I work in insurance in the department that deals with calculating premiums based on mortality rates. Whenever I see people mention how insurance companies are not accepting people for pre-existing conditions, or not the full cover of claims, I think they need to understand that if insurance companies start accepting all claims then it will inevitably lead to higher premiums as well, which is also something people will complain about then. You can't a system where insurance companies accept all claims, especially those with pre-conditions, and keep a stable premium.

That being said, I'm also not comfortable with companies maximizing profit off the health of people, it doesn't seem morally right to me. A basic level of healthcare should be the right of everyone, so no person should be worried about paying bills for a medically necessary procedure. This should be provided by the government. If someone wants more features on their healthcare plan, then they can go private, whereby I'm fine with companies trying to make a profit because then it's not on the poorest of people and not on basic healthcare.
 
I work in insurance in the department that deals with calculating premiums based on mortality rates. Whenever I see people mention how insurance companies are not accepting people for pre-existing conditions, or not the full cover of claims, I think they need to understand that if insurance companies start accepting all claims then it will inevitably lead to higher premiums as well, which is also something people will complain about then. You can't a system where insurance companies accept all claims, especially those with pre-conditions, and keep a stable premium.

That being said, I'm also not comfortable with companies maximizing profit off the health of people, it doesn't seem morally right to me. A basic level of healthcare should be the right of everyone, so no person should be worried about paying bills for a medically necessary procedure. This should be provided by the government. If someone wants more features on their healthcare plan, then they can go private, whereby I'm fine with companies trying to make a profit because then it's not on the poorest of people and not on basic healthcare.

Yeah, a kid with Cerebral palsy should be denied a better wheelchair, because there are cheaper versions available. feck him.
And I get your point, its not like your insurance company has a very high profit, and they should deffo not reduce that profit, its way better too deny healthcare or raise the premiums.

The profits should always be first priority.
 
Yeah, a kid with Cerebral palsy should be denied a better wheelchair, because there are cheaper versions available. feck him.
And I get your point, its not like your insurance company has a very high profit, and they should deffo not reduce that profit, its way better too deny healthcare or raise the premiums.

The profits should always be first priority.

It depends on what the conditions are on the insurance policy, which is my point regarding premium. It could be there is a more expensive policy that wouldn't deny them a fancier wheelchair.

Like I also said, there should be a basic level of healthcare that is provided by the government and isn't exposed to some of the profiteering tactics seen with insurance companies. A private insurance company cannot survive if they feel the need to accept everyones claims without due process, without increasing premiums to an amount that would also outrage people.
 
When one individual inflicts bodily injury upon another such that death results, we call the deed manslaughter; when the assailant knew in advance that the injury would be fatal, we call his deed murder. But when society places hundreds of proletarians in such a position that they inevitably meet a too early and an unnatural death, one which is quite as much a death by violence as that by the sword or bullet; when it deprives thousands of the necessaries of life, places them under conditions in which they cannot live – forces them, through the strong arm of the law, to remain in such conditions until that death ensues which is the inevitable consequence – knows that these thousands of victims must perish, and yet permits these conditions to remain, its deed is murder just as surely as the deed of the single individual; disguised, malicious murder, murder against which none can defend himself, which does not seem what it is, because no man sees the murderer, because the death of the victim seems a natural one, since the offence is more one of omission than of commission. But murder it remains. - Friedrich Engels
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I work in insurance in the department that deals with calculating premiums based on mortality rates. Whenever I see people mention how insurance companies are not accepting people for pre-existing conditions, or not the full cover of claims, I think they need to understand that if insurance companies start accepting all claims then it will inevitably lead to higher premiums as well, which is also something people will complain about then. You can't a system where insurance companies accept all claims, especially those with pre-conditions, and keep a stable premium.

That being said, I'm also not comfortable with companies maximizing profit off the health of people, it doesn't seem morally right to me. A basic level of healthcare should be the right of everyone, so no person should be worried about paying bills for a medically necessary procedure. This should be provided by the government. If someone wants more features on their healthcare plan, then they can go private, whereby I'm fine with companies trying to make a profit because then it's not on the poorest of people and not on basic healthcare.
That's exactly why healthcare should never be completely privatised. I'm on the nursing sub on reddit, and I've read some horror stories there about patients being denied urgent care that is absolutely essential to save their lives.
 
The perp is gonna become a celebrity when arrested, won't he?
 
On the contrary, I think this has been a unifying moment of fundamental human decency. Humanity is being expressed in the recognition of this cruel and exploitative system and in a desire for justice to be done, regardless of the crude nature that justice took.

The act itself is a complex thing to judge. It's in that John Brown territory of how much violence can be justified. However the public reaction has been a moral one, that's reflective of compassion and decency, and even a degree of class consciousness.

It's those vested corporate interests that are desperate to paint this as "horrifying" and "shocking", and the pearl clutching scolds trying to shutdown the celebrations, who are lacking in humanity.

Agreed. It is rare these days to see a topic where so many people across the board are unified on, but this has certainly been that, and it makes me happy to see.

I think what has made people happy is that generally these corpo-rat types (Thank you cyberpunk) don't get what they deserve for what they do to society, so it will always be cathartic when it actually happens.
 
If only the country was as united as this in voting for healthcare reform. I guess guns and murder trump democracy in the eyes of Americans.

Please do not take the above as condemnation of the murder. To be clear, I endorse the killing.
 
If only the country was as united as this in voting for healthcare reform. I guess guns and murder trump democracy in the eyes of Americans.

Please do not take the above as condemnation of the murder. To be clear, I endorse the killing.

Maybe there is a bit of joking in there but it's horrific to say stuff like this. He was the CEO, it's his mandate that he has to maximize profits for the shareholders. CEO's don't determine that, it's the board of directors who do. If the person tries to be moral and doesn't do their job, they'll get fired and the directors will find someone else who can maximize profit then.

If you really want to advocate killing anyone, kill the fecktard politicians who constantly block any progress to a universal healthcare system that would significantly reduce the need for private health insurance. They are the ones who can actually make a difference to society but choose not to for their personal gain.
 
Maybe there is a bit of joking in there but it's horrific to say stuff like this. He was the CEO, it's his mandate that he has to maximize profits for the shareholders. CEO's don't determine that, it's the board of directors who do. If the person tries to be moral and doesn't do their job, they'll get fired and the directors will find someone else who can maximize profit then.

If you really want to advocate killing anyone, kill the fecktard politicians who constantly block any progress to a universal healthcare system that would significantly reduce the need for private health insurance. They are the ones who can actually make a difference to society but choose not to for their personal gain.
Must have missed the part when he was born as the CEO