High-profile killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO in New York

langster said:
We all know Mario was the head of the organisation.
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moses said:
:lol:

I only buy horticulture books online. I have a guy in Connolly Books that hooks me up with the good shit.
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So booksllers are now the go-to-guys for the good shit nowadays?

Obviously Barnes & Noble are gonna have to up their game in the US
 
Mockney said:
Indeed. Occasionally they let a flunkey junior minister or single rogue trader get the flack, but the train chugs on regardless. Obviously no one thinks gunning down civilians is progressive or civilised, but many a romantic piece of art has been written about things just as violent and yet justified by the context of time and perspective.

One man’s terrorist is another man’s sexy twink Jason Bourne
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Mockney said:
ironically reducing everything to a few cartoon villains is exactly how parasitic corporate capitalism has consistently avoided systematic change…

Make the feckers scared I say. Nothing else has worked. Sexy shooters on every corner. A veritable Chalamet army. Vive le twink revolution!
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You are a bit too infatuated with this one. :lol:

But otherwise the way I see it, murder is wrong but it is surprising that it doesn't happen more often when we are talking about people who try everything in their power to make money at the expense of people litteral lives and livelihood.
 
I did not expect the vigilante to be a handsome, Hawaiian, data scientist named Luigi.
 
entropy said:
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The 26 thing is nothing to do with insurance companies though, it's part of the Affordable Care Act

"This provision aimed to make health insurance more accessible for young adults who might not be able to afford their own coverage immediately after leaving school"

My younger daughter is 23 and is on my insurance via work, (even though she lives 2K miles away) this doesn't actually cost me any more in premiums than if the coverage was just me and my wife
 
horsechoker said:
"The suspect was heavily involved in an online thread inspired by Adam Curtis"
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"Other posters realised something was up when he declared the Fillet-o-fish his favourite menu item from McDonalds.

He decided assassination was the only option after literally everyone said it wasn't an option at all"
 
moses said:
"Other posters realised something was up when he declared the Fillet-o-fish his favourite menu item from McDonalds.

He decided assassination was the only option after literally everyone said it wasn't an option at all"
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"Though their honesty is in question since they appear to be a strange mix of socialists, sometimes racists, yet generally open minded people who engage in online bullying."

"They also love Manchester United, which in 2024 is quite baffling."
 
Red in STL said:
The 26 thing is nothing to do with insurance companies though, it's part of the Affordable Care Act

"This provision aimed to make health insurance more accessible for young adults who might not be able to afford their own coverage immediately after leaving school"

My younger daughter is 23 and is on my insurance via work, (even though she lives 2K miles away) this doesn't actually cost me any more in premiums than if the coverage was just me and my wife
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Lucky she loves 2k miles away or she would definitely cost you more.
 
berbatrick said:
You realise there's actual research on this. The combined cost of healthcare administration (not healthcare as a whole) is massive, and is anomalously massive in the US, because of the insurance and claims system:



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And specifically within the US, administrative costs are far higher for private insurance than government medicare:




So, even keeping hospitals and doctors obscenely rich, there is a ton of things that can be removed from the US healthcare system.
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That’s a lot of research you’ve done to basically prove my point. All those administrative costs in the US amount to 8.3% of the total healthcare spend. Now tell me again how they’re the main cause of these crazy healthcare bills?
 
Adisa said:
Don't know who would be responsible. I have little knowledge of America's healthcare system. But know that it doesn't make sense for the HMO/insurers to be responsible. Their role is payouts. The larger the payouts, the bigger their loses.
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It does make sense when you study the complexity and issues involved. What you wrote is just an overly simplistic misunderstanding of how healthcare and health insurance works in the US. It's not at all as simple as you think.
  1. Denying claims does increase the costs because it leads to less payouts which means the cost of procedures/treatments rises across the board to cover cases where insurers have denied payments
  2. Vertical integration means the distinction you made doesn't exist in reality. HMOs, like Kaiser, are providers as well as payers.
  3. 1 health insurance employee to every 2 doctors in the US. Health insurance raises premiums to pay for all their employees that extract value from the system. It's an old stat from when I researched this so its probably a different number but the principle applies.
Of course health insurance companies are not the only cause of the problem. You have private equity owning hospitals, pharma companies charging outrageous prices for life saving medicine like insulin, and the overall completely twisted incentive systems that exist that come between doctors and patients but health insurance companies whether they are vertically integrated like United, HMO like Kaiser or even just an insurance company are absolutely part of the problem of the cost of healthcare in the US. In short, no insurance worker should be deciding which treatments are approved or not, that should solely come from doctors and patients.
 
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