[Dante]

I miss madwinger, he was fun to read, as was kagawazza

Mad winger is now Sir wangem (or whatever).

 

[Mockney]

Do you think anyone will remember the mighty Europa league win of 2017? I don’t. It’s hardly a barometer to be remembered for is it..

We’ve only won 6 European trophies in our history (and one of them was the Super Cup) so yes, many will remember it. I still remember the Cup Winners Cup win of 91, and I was 7! Why wouldn’t you? What’s the point of being a fan if finals don’t mean anything?

Not that this has anything to do with Mikhi particularly, but I find people trying to police peoples fandom regarding what should and shouldn’t be seen as important an annoyingly modern trait. No one seems able to enjoy anything anymore.

And tbh, there are plenty of players, many of them cult heroes, remembered for far less. Though they probably wouldn’t be now.

 

[K2K]

Maybe there was a clash behind the scenes between the two which resulted in him being frozen out.

I doubt it.

His performances on the pitch have been bad enough to warrant this treatment.

 

[K2K]

Mad winger is now Sir wangem (or whatever).

He says he isn't.

Says he is MadWingers friend or something.

 

[K2K]

Do you think anyone will remember the mighty Europa league win of 2017? I don’t. It’s hardly a barometer to be remembered for is it. If that’s his only contribution, then that’s a failure for a player of his supposed talent. Barely contributing in a season and a half of the PL and the CL this season.

I will be. And I'm grateful for Micky's perfomances in that.

But that isn't enough to keep his place in the squad.

 

[buckooo1978]

strange that he's been out of 7 of our last 8 squads, had been really poor for 6/7 games before that and he's still our top assist and chance creator

http://www.squawka.com/teams/manche...eason-2017/2018#819#all-matches#2-15#by-match

doesn't say much for the others does it

 

[Pexbo]

People are writing him off too quickly. He won’t be sold in January. He’s not going to be here for the next 2 or 3 seasons either but he’ll have a part to play before the season is up. We’ll see him during the Christmas schedule and he’ll have a run of form at some point.

I agree he’s hot and cold though and the hot purple patches don’t last long enough to play for this club.

 

[ti vu]

Who would in their right mind come to us in a 10 position given the history lol

Jose eats number 10s.

This is one hell of bullshite. If anything he digs no 10. His preferred formation involves no 10. For those who can fit into the profile is a different story.

Having an agenda, ain't you? Seem like trying to tie Mourinho as if he has been here for ages as stick to beat him...

 

[vxlencia]

This is one hell of bullshite. If anything he digs no 10. His preferred formation involves no 10. For those who can fit into the profile is a different story.

Having an agenda, ain't you? Seem like trying to tie Mourinho as if he has been here for ages as stick to beat him...

Mourinho’s no 10, in his own words is an ‘8 and a half’ when the team doesn’t have the ball and a ‘9 and a half’ when the team has the ball. So it’s someone who can defend as well as attack.

The conventional no 10 is predominantly known to only have attacking duties. So there’s no surprise a player like Mikhi would struggle under him. He’s not exactly a Deco/Sneijder/Lampard/Oscar.

If Mikhi were to go Liverpool, he’d be the best CAM in the league in their system - because he’d be used differently with different expectations.

The one anomaly is Ozil. He thrived under Mourinho but I honestly don’t remember him ever being praised for his defensive work. Ozil was just a pure attacking force.

It’s a weird one. For eg going by the number 10 Mou would want, I wouldn’t expect him to ever go for someone like Coutinho/Isco/Asensio... despite them obviously improving united attacking wise. If these types of players did come they’d be played wide ala Hazard (despite being PFA player of the year in 2014 he was never trusted centrally, with Oscar always being favoured instead) and Mikhi when he first came.

It’s kind of ironic that KDB would be Mourinho’s perfect modern day number 10. He can truly do both the 8 and 9.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Mourinho’s no 10, in his own words is an ‘8 and a half’ when the team doesn’t have the ball and a ‘9 and a half’ when the team has the ball. So it’s someone who can defend as well as attack.

The conventional no 10 is predominantly known to only have attacking duties. So there’s no surprise a player like Mikhi would struggle under him. He’s not exactly a Deco/Sneijder/Lampard/Oscar.

If Mikhi were to go Liverpool, he’d be the best CAM in the league in their system - because he’d be used differently with different expectations.

The one anomaly is Ozil. He thrived under Mourinho but I honestly don’t remember him ever being praised for his defensive work. Ozil was just a pure attacking force.

It’s a weird one. For eg going by the number 10 Mou would want, I wouldn’t expect him to ever go for someone like Coutinho/Isco/Asensio... despite them obviously improving united attacking wise. If these types of players did come they’d be played wide ala Hazard (despite being PFA player of the year in 2014 he was never trusted centrally, with Oscar always being favoured instead) and Mikhi when he first came.

It’s kind of ironic that KDB would be Mourinho’s perfect modern day number 10. He can truly do both the 8 and 9.

Not sure about that, Mkhitaryan has flopped under Klopp before. There's something about his style which is really erratic, you'd think having the freedom of the counter-attack would benefit his game but his composure levels are really poor - either he runs into traffic or makes poor decisions at vital moments. Maybe it's a confidence thing, I don't know but he's been really off for us. Mkhitaryan doesn't play like a #10 at all, feels like a winger trying his best to adapt at #10, driving through the pitch very well at times but the rest of it is just so raw. One thing you should never be able to question for a #10 is their ability to make a pass and link up play with the forward, with Mkhitaryan that is a questionable factor.

 

[FanBoyRed]

Not sure about that, Mkhitaryan has flopped under Klopp before. There's something about his style which is really erratic, you'd think having the freedom of the counter-attack would benefit his game but his composure levels are really poor - either he runs into traffic or makes poor decisions at vital moments. Maybe it's a confidence thing, I don't know but he's been really off for us. Mkhitaryan doesn't play like a #10 at all, feels like a winger trying his best to adapt at #10, driving through the pitch very well at times but the rest of it is just so raw. One thing you should never be able to question for a #10 is their ability to make a pass and link up play with the forward, with Mkhitaryan that is a questionable factor.

To be clear, the entire Dortmund team under Klopp was struggling, not just Micki. Klopps Liverpool team right now is much better than Klopps Dortmund team player wise. I do agree he is not a natural #10, he cant take the stress of carrying an entire team on his back, but when he shines... he looks brilliant. Its unfortunate that he cant fit in with Jose's tactics, but them again many good players have tried and failed.

 

[ti vu]

Mourinho’s no 10, in his own words is an ‘8 and a half’ when the team doesn’t have the ball and a ‘9 and a half’ when the team has the ball. So it’s someone who can defend as well as attack.

The conventional no 10 is predominantly known to only have attacking duties. So there’s no surprise a player like Mikhi would struggle under him. He’s not exactly a Deco/Sneijder/Lampard/Oscar.

The one anomaly is Ozil. He thrived under Mourinho but I honestly don’t remember him ever being praised for his defensive work. Ozil was just a pure attacking force.

It’s a weird one. For eg going by the number 10 Mou would want, I wouldn’t expect him to ever go for someone like Coutinho/Isco/Asensio... despite them obviously improving united attacking wise. If these types of players did come they’d be played wide ala Hazard (despite being PFA player of the year in 2014 he was never trusted centrally, with Oscar always being favoured instead) and Mikhi when he first came.

It’s kind of ironic that KDB would be Mourinho’s perfect modern day number 10. He can truly do both the 8 and 9.

Mourinho definitely rates some of his no 10 higher than another, but he's not rigid in his selection. Deco, Sneijder, Lampard, Oscar are all different from each other, with Deco & Snejder are more similar which concides with Mourinho rates both as his best no 10.

You're right about conventional no 10. However, to say Mourinho's no 10 can defend as well as attack is a bit too general and it sounds too demanding as if you asking a player to play 2 different role in one, which no 10 players ain't ones with the most stamina in the team.

Mourinho no 10 is supposed to in defensive shape with the team. However, tracking opposition runner is not always the primary job hence no fully a midfielder role. His no 10 is the main outlet, focal point of the play. SAF focal is on his wingers which at time we can't play through central area, while with Mourinho is through no 10 ability. Mourinho ain't for winning possession battle so it's less about the his no 6 being better than opposition in recycling possession. It's about the no 10 knowing when to transit from defensive to attack. The weaker the no 10, the more Mourinho chose to bypass transiting in midfield and go long toward the forwards.

It's not video games where you can just knock on Liverpool door for Coutinho especially with Barcelona is around. Isco & Aensio are not for sale. When we tried to ask for Morata, it's a lot of drama with Madrid getting greed and tried to weaken us involving DDG... Hazard was playing on the wing before Mourinho came (and also in Belgium NT). He is not conventional no 10 nor fits Mourinho profile. Oscar was very good and closer to Mourinho's profile. Hazard on the wing ain't stopping him to hit a great height. While would you want him in no 10 role even if it offers a little improvement while create more problem in finding a wide player to replace him. That's counter productive. Oscar was already there. For Oscar to regress (mentality? He is happy enough to move to China at such young age too raise question), unpredictable. Both KDB & Hazard are the types that need to cast their influence on the team to bring the best out of them.

KDB is, but was not back then, just like how Lukaku. Lukaku improve his workrate and yet his use of physicality is still to be desired. The old Lukaku would be much harder to ulitize. KDB was more final ball player back then. Now he is more suitable to play deeper, but yet to be as tidy as the supposed top CM would be. Back then he was more pure attacker than now with less. Oscar was more suited for the no 10 role back then.

To be clear, the entire Dortmund team under Klopp was struggling, not just Micki. Klopps Liverpool team right now is much better than Klopps Dortmund team player wise. I do agree he is not a natural #10, he cant take the stress of carrying an entire team on his back, but when he shines... he looks brilliant. Its unfortunate that he cant fit in with Jose's tactics, but them again many good players have tried and failed.

Not true. Dortmund had better individual defenders & units. Hummels may not be the most solid out there but better than anyone Liverpool has. Reus, Aubameng, Gundogan, Kagawa, Mkhi... would supposed to come close if not edge out those L'pool current has

 

[Donsangre]

Mourinho definitely rates some of his no 10 higher than another, but he's not rigid in his selection. Deco, Sneijder, Lampard, Oscar are all different from each other, with Deco & Snejder are more similar which concides with Mourinho rates both as his best no 10.

You're right about conventional no 10. However, to say Mourinho's no 10 can defend as well as attack is a bit too general and it sounds too demanding as if you asking a player to play 2 different role in one, which no 10 players ain't ones with the most stamina in the team.

Mourinho no 10 is supposed to in defensive shape with the team. However, tracking opposition runner is not always the primary job hence no fully a midfielder role. His no 10 is the main outlet, focal point of the play. SAF focal is on his wingers which at time we can't play through central area, while with Mourinho is through no 10 ability. Mourinho ain't for winning possession battle so it's less about the his no 6 being better than opposition in recycling possession. It's about the no 10 knowing when to transit from defensive to attack. The weaker the no 10, the more Mourinho chose to bypass transiting in midfield and go long toward the forwards.

It's not video games where you can just knock on Liverpool door for Coutinho especially with Barcelona is around. Isco & Aensio are not for sale. When we tried to ask for Morata, it's a lot of drama with Madrid getting greed and tried to weaken us involving DDG... Hazard was playing on the wing before Mourinho came (and also in Belgium NT). He is not conventional no 10 nor fits Mourinho profile. Oscar was very good and closer to Mourinho's profile. Hazard on the wing ain't stopping him to hit a great height. While would you want him in no 10 role even if it offers a little improvement while create more problem in finding a wide player to replace him. That's counter productive. Oscar was already there. For Oscar to regress (mentality? He is happy enough to move to China at such young age too raise question), unpredictable. Both KDB & Hazard are the types that need to cast their influence on the team to bring the best out of them.

KDB is, but was not back then, just like how Lukaku. Lukaku improve his workrate and yet his use of physicality is still to be desired. The old Lukaku would be much harder to ulitize. KDB was more final ball player back then. Now he is more suitable to play deeper, but yet to be as tidy as the supposed top CM would be. Back then he was more pure attacker than now with less. Oscar was more suited for the no 10 role back then.


Not true. Dortmund had better individual defenders & units. Hummels may not be the most solid out there but better than anyone Liverpool has. Reus, Aubameng, Gundogan, Kagawa, Mkhi... would supposed to come close if not edge out those L'pool current has

Dortmund was pretty good the first season. Second season was a flop. Klopp was tired and the team was exhausted with too many injuries. Mkhi didnt know his role in the team. I doubt that anyone did. It was a mess. They decided that they need a fresh air. Tuchel is not a soft coach, he is a tough guy and never gives an inch to his players. They were all focused and played well.

One thing that i noticed that since that Liverpools game Mkhi stopped running like crazy and fighting for the ball. I didnt see sparkle in his eyes anymore. He changed for some reason. I know why people started criticising him. He just wouldnt fight anymore. Not sure why. Jose has given Mkhi a 20 min sub chance to bring him back later to which Mkhi didnt respond well and Jose is punishing Mkhi now. The fact that Mkhi trained with the team and was left out against CSKA proves it. He was left out along with a bunch recovering from injuries. I dont think any proffesional will like that kind of attitude. Mkhi will leave. Nothing will change for Man Utd and Jose. Sad that didnt work because Mkhi would really shine in attacking United. Just read some posts from september, ud be surprised how things have changed.
I was at Houston watching how united smashed city in the pre season. It was increadible. Mkhi was gliding on the field. The team was attacking and it was one of the most enjoyable games i can remember. Comes november and we play the fecking bus again.

 

[automaticflare]

Can't see how he works in Prem at all

He can't do the basic fundamentals this season in spite of his assists/goals early on

Also hasn't got the fight in him it seems to me and that's probably why Jose has shunted him down the order

 

[BigCaine]

Who would in their right mind come to us in a 10 position given the history lol

Jose eats number 10s.

Ozil, lampard and sneijder say hi.

 

[K2K]

Ozil, lampard and sneijder say hi.

Even Hazard had his best ever season under this notorious 10 eater.

The number of excuses people will throw to justify why their favourite players are underperforming is absurd. I've seen Micky pass straight to opposition players..when no one was even close to him. He constantly gives the ball away(and no, not when he is trying to make out of nothing like some will claom). He also struggles to pass the ball quickly which really hampers a counter attacking type of football. This are things you can't blame Mourinho for. It's never Micky's fault though.

 

[sugar_kane]

Hadn't realised that he hasn't made 7 of the last 8 match squads.

Totally deserving as well - never has a United player made me as angry to watch as him. Terrible attitude/motivation on display.

 

[MadMike]

People are writing him off too quickly. He won’t be sold in January. He’s not going to be here for the next 2 or 3 seasons either but he’ll have a part to play before the season is up. We’ll see him during the Christmas schedule and he’ll have a run of form at some point.

I agree he’s hot and cold though and the hot purple patches don’t last long enough to play for this club.

You can write him off and agree that he won't be sold in January. We have no injuries to forwards at the moment so he has dropped out of the squad dues to his poor performances, but we'll still need him for squad depth. Any injuries to Mata/Martial/Lingard/Rashford and he'd be right back in the team. There's a lot of games ahead.

I really like what he offers when he's on form, but as you said his purple patches don't last long and when he's bad, he's really really bad. For a guy who's turning 29yo in a month and supposed to be in his prime he has failed to show any consistency in the year and a half he's been here. He seemed so demotivated and unfocused in his last games, it got me thinking that he might just not enjoy it here.

I have a feeling that he'll be moved on in the summer, probably back to BVB. He should still fetch 20-25m which can be put towards a better player.

 

[Oldyella]

Hadn't realised that he hasn't made 7 of the last 8 match squads.

Totally deserving as well - never has a United player made me as angry to watch as him. Terrible attitude/motivation on display.

Yup. I can take players in bad form, it happens. But a seeming lack of fight annoys so much more.

 

[sullydnl]

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/manc...ture-in-doubt-after-jose-mourinho-row-sources

 

[YungMarcus39]

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/manc...ture-in-doubt-after-jose-mourinho-row-sources

Not good...

 

[wiz4231]

I said it then and I'll say it again now. We should have bought Sane. Miki been a disappointment.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

BBC reporting there's been a "breakdown of trust" between Jose and Mkhitaryan and that we're willing to sell him in January.

Potentially a pretty remarkable fall from grace for Mkhi you'd have to say.

I'm not sure getting rid so early is the right decision although if he's going to put in the same standard of performances as he has for most of this season he can go.

 

[breakout67]

On what earth is a back-to-back Bundesliga winning team that reached the CL final worse than this Liverpool team???

Also looks like my prediction of a behind the scenes disagreement was right.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

I want to see Mhki do well, and I don't think he's suited to this Utd team.

I really like him and value him as a player but I think it'd be better for him to continue elsewhere, maybe France or back in Germany.

And for us, if we let him move on in January - I'd love to see Ozil in a United shirt... I've always wanted him here.

 

[edgar allan]

I said it then and I'll say it again now. We should have bought Sane. Miki been a disappointment.

It was obvious that he was the kind of player we needed then and still do now.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Good riddance. He's good when he shows up but mostly he's lethargic as hell.

 

[sammsky1]

I said it then and I'll say it again now. We should have bought Sane. Miki been a disappointment.

Sane, Mane or Salah!! There were so many great options available.

 

[Art]

See ya Mkhi.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Pretty obviously lacks the mentality to be here, but we can't afford to let him go and not replace him.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

If his time here is coming to an end, what a huge let down he's been.

His goals in the Europa League last season were crucial and they probably save him from being an absolute disaster of a signing but still.

Such a disappointment.

 

[BluesJr]

One of the biggest flops we've ever had.

 

[dichinero]

That's a shame if true I'd be reluctant to let him go so soon. Must be a fallout

 

[r0663664]

I won't be surprised if Coutinho leaves for Barcelona that Liverpool comes in and take Miki off our hands. Miki may start playing well under Klopp's system.

 

[SteveW]

I like him as a player but it's been blatantly obvious for ages that he doesn't have the mentality to succeed here. Ozil would be a huge upgrade.

 

[dwd]

I won't be surprised if Coutinho leaves for Barcelona that Liverpool comes in and take Miki off our hands. Miki may start playing well under Klopp's system.

No chance.

 

[Jaybomb]

One of the biggest flops we've ever had.

Nah. He scored in the Europa League final.

Anyways, I always said Mkhitaryan wasn’t a United player. And usually my instincts are correct. I said the same thing about Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin and Depay too. And look how those turned out. I’m just waiting to be proved right about Herrera and Martial next. Cause I still don’t think they have the United mentality.

 

[FootballHQ]

He had some good games over xmas last year but aside from that he's been a massive disappointment considering the level he showed at Dortmund.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

I won't be surprised if Coutinho leaves for Barcelona that Liverpool comes in and take Miki off our hands. Miki may start playing well under Klopp's system.

There is no chance he'd be sold to Liverpool.

And he was poor under Klopp at Dortmund anyway

 

[edgar allan]

Nah. He scored in the Europa League final.

Anyways, I always said Mkhitaryan wasn’t a United player. And usually my instincts are correct. I said the same thing about Schweinsteiger, Schneiderlin and Depay too. And look how those turned out. I’m just waiting to be proved right about Herrera and Martial next. Cause I still don’t think they have the United mentality.

Is Lukaku on your list also?