This needs more body language experts. Anything fishy about Mourinho's behavior when asked questions about Mkhitaryan?
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Well played sir
Yeah right... People just want drama and stir shit up. He needs time and Jose gives him that. Takes away pressure and eases him in as he might needs more time to settle
people need to calm down. This thread needs to be locked anyway until he starts playing again.
Way too late for that my friend. I read that when you have a slight quiff in your hair brushed to a 75 degree angle that it's a sure sign that you are experiencing internal turmoil...
I hope this is not true. Jose can't just buy a player without doing due diligence on whether or not he's likely to fit in? That's £26M. The club can't afford to throw money away like this.
Jose should be told to make an effort to integrate the lad. The 'not trusting him' (if true) is not a good enough reason from Jose under the circumstances after we've spent so much. If Jose doesn't want him, then I suggest he repays the club the loss of funds.
Jose should be told to make an effort to integrate the lad. The 'not trusting him' (if true) is not a good enough reason from Jose under the circumstances after we've spent so much. If Jose doesn't want him, then I suggest he repays the club the loss of funds.
He was the worst player on the pitch. Just accept it.
The problem here isn't Mourinho, or some agenda..it's the moronic hero worship of Mkhitaryan from the internet football expert brigade, who wont accept he's done any wrong or is being left out for legitimate reasons, no matter how badly he plays or what he gets up to. If he plaayed against Burnley and was merely ok, there'd be scores of people in here claiming he was MOTM. I have know idea why but that IS what would happen. It wouldn't magically make it true though.
If he trains well and gets himself in the condition he needs to be in, he'll get chances to show what he can do. He'll just have to earn them chances and wait for them. No different from any other player. If he still isn't being considered by January then you can worry, but most likely that would mean there is a problem with him, not anyone else.
I hope he does really well, and I think he potentially can, but so far he's started one game and was awful in it. That's the reality. From that I would have guessed the best option is to get him some preperation time then ease him back in when he looks ready, not throw him in and let him drown again. So I wouldn't be too worried with him not playing games at the moment.
Lingard was just as bad in that match, if not worse.
Even if you have somehow genuinely come to that conclusion, what fecking difference does it make to the point?
"It's not fair, Lingard gets to play and Mkhi doesn't"
You're like a bunch of fecking 7 year olds. If he was doing well enough to play, he would play. Pretending Mourinho hates him isn't going to change anything so just get used to the reality of the situation.
"It's not fair, Lingard gets to play and Mkhi doesn't"
You're like a bunch of fecking 7 year olds. If he was doing well enough to play, he would play. Pretending Mourinho hates him isn't going to change anything so just get used to the reality of the situation.
I've got a feeling that his pimp Raioli insisted that we buy him if we wanted to sign Ibrahimovic and / or Pogba.
Up to now, all three of them have been underwhelming to say the least.
Up to now, all three of them have been underwhelming to say the least.
While Miki was terrible in that City game no denying that you can't forget how well he did against Hull when he came on. In my opinion, Miki (along with Rashford to be fair) turned that game right around. Until that point we weren't creating enough chances and just didn't look threatening so it's not like he's just been absolute shit for us. At least he showed glimpses of what he's capable of in the little time he's played for us.
Mikitaryan wasn't one of the best players in the Bundesliga by fluke the lad is fecking quality and going off ability alone he's probably our most creative player. All we can do now is just hope that everything is ok off the pitch and he gets his chances to prove himself. Maybe he is just another Kagawa who knows he hasn't had enough opportunities for us to judge yet.
Mikitaryan wasn't one of the best players in the Bundesliga by fluke the lad is fecking quality and going off ability alone he's probably our most creative player. All we can do now is just hope that everything is ok off the pitch and he gets his chances to prove himself. Maybe he is just another Kagawa who knows he hasn't had enough opportunities for us to judge yet.
Sign him so we get to spend 90 million on a raw box to box midfielder? This doesn't add up. And no way the owner agrees to this. Mkhi is just one of many many victims of Jose, given his history this should't surprise anyone.
It's a shame because any other manager would have given him a huge string of games to prove his worth. He's quite possibly the best player on the squad (with pogba playing bad and Ibra being old now). Wherever Mkhi goes next, he will shine, far too talented not to.
Check my previous posts - never rated / wanted Pogba and never rated / wanted Ibrahimovic.
Mkhitaryan....Who knows ? I'll reserve my judgement if and when I see him again.
PS - Wasn't there someone who signed for Liverpool, years ago, who they nicknamed Lord Lucan because after signing him, nobody ever saw him ?
Wait a second, aren't you the guy moaning about players and selections after almost every game gone wrong? So you're basically saying now that the manager is always right? I'll remember that one...
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It's funny because if we didn't have the likes of Lingard and Rashford came through the system, God knows where we will be at right now with many muppet signings failed to deliver the expectation.
No way Jose has a personal hate on a player he personally brought in. If he wanted to stamp his authority he would have sidelined those brought in by previous managers like Mata. The only logical explaination is Mkhi just doesn't fit in with the team or the league, or both. It happens. Or he just need more time to adapt. Patience is needed.
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I reckon Mkhy was worse. At least Lingard did something towards the end and we almost scored as well. But I haven't given up on Mkhy. He has yet to gel with the team but he has the quality imo and he will prove it. It will be nice and best time to see him start against City in a cup match.
Has someone seen Miki around in Manchester??
Surely he at least gets on the bench tomorrow? How can Mourinho waste this talent?
Let's look at the sequence of events:
- He came off the bench in all three of our games at the start of the season.
- Then had a injury issue during the international break.
- Then surprisingly after the international break he started the game against City, where he was subbed off at half time due to his atrocious display. Possibly because of injury.
- Didn't feature or make the bench in any of games in that month due to injury.
- We requested the Armenian football association not to select him for the world cup qualifiers scheduled between Oct 3 - Oct 15.
- After the break, didn't get selected for any of our games last week - Liverpool, Fener & Chelsea.
- Though, Jose in the pre match conference before the Fener game mentioned that he is now fit.
Looks like Jose has wasted another world class talent (really hate him now). Rumors are that he's on his way out in January, so depressing.
That's really cringeworthy. All of a sudden it must be the player's fault alone. José cannot have gotten it wrong, he has never misjudged or mishandled players. Saint José, hehehe.
Thanks for that, I love to start my day with a good laugh.
Just heard Phillipe Auclair from France Football and Erik Bilderman form L'Equipe (a close form Fergie) saying that Mkhitaryan was not a Mourinho choice and has just been included in Pogba's deal.
Both journalist said that Mourinho didn't wanted him, but was force by Raiola to get him with Pogba (and that probably goes for Zlatan)
That may explain a bit what happens between the two of them, and if Mourinho is not happy with his squad (he may says that the players he still has despite him).
Anyway, Mou is a c*** and should play one of the best player and underated of the world
Both journalist said that Mourinho didn't wanted him, but was force by Raiola to get him with Pogba (and that probably goes for Zlatan)
That may explain a bit what happens between the two of them, and if Mourinho is not happy with his squad (he may says that the players he still has despite him).
Anyway, Mou is a c*** and should play one of the best player and underated of the world
Interesting username.
my only worry about Henrikh is he is a confidence player. That first City game thus was real bad for us and him. In hoping he is given the chance to rectify it tonight. Else we will get exactly what Dortmund got from him in his first season
Wtf. To be sold in January? So many players have been shit for us for so many years and we're going to sell someone who's barely had any chances?
Going in January if you believe reports, can't say I'm that bothered anymore, any excitement about his signing has long since gone.
He had 9 goals and 10 assists in 31 games (29 starts) in the Bundesliga his first year, pretty solid numbers.
His second year was worse but he missed 2 months due to an injury early in the season and they were in the relegation zone in january/february. That was the year Klopp lost the team, the defense was atrocious and they were bottom 3 in goals conceded more than halfway through the season. No one played well for them that season, but they did get it going in the last 2 months including Mkhi.
Also when Dortmund bought him (for a club record fee) he was already an incredible player coming off a season where he had scored the most goals in ukranian league history (25 goals in 29 matches), and he did it playing CAM. That year Shakhtar also had Willian and Fernandinho who went to the PL the same year. Douglas Costa was also playing there at the same time.
Honestly bemused at Mourinhos treatment of him if he's genuinely not playing him for football reasons. I don't give a feck how poor he was vs City, you don't respond by ostracizing him when it was only his first start for the club and was slightly unfit if not injured, playing against the best team we'll play this season at home. The whole situation is made worse by the fact that he's exactly the type of player we're calling out for - clever, creative, tricky and pacey. Absolutely shocking management from Mourinho.
We know absolutely nothing and it's all surmising but without doubt clearly there is something odd. There appear to be some strange stuff coming out the club, Mou talking about feeling lonely and doesn't appear to want to put any roots down, Rooney stuff, Bati stuff for no apparent reason and the list goes on....
Woke up to even more OTT posts, this time seeing he's flogged off as near as January. Scrolled up and there's nothing remotely credible to suggest any form of uncertainty around him.
All some parts of the media have done is take his protest at the end of his Dortmund career and extrapolate it to guess why he's not played yet. As another poster has already done, let's again look at the facts:
- Mourinho has praised him on multiple occasions.
- He was rushed into the Derby.
- We went out of our way to ensure he doesn't represent his country in the latest international fixture, so as to suggest he's certainly in our plans.
- Mourinho gave a more than justifiable reason for excluding him in following games, saying hel earn more fitness from full term training, rather than match day training and playing 15 mins.
Yet, many posters are acting like little girls because they haven't seen him start a game yet. I bet the same posters will do a 180 turn if he plays 70 odd minutes today.
All some parts of the media have done is take his protest at the end of his Dortmund career and extrapolate it to guess why he's not played yet. As another poster has already done, let's again look at the facts:
- Mourinho has praised him on multiple occasions.
- He was rushed into the Derby.
- We went out of our way to ensure he doesn't represent his country in the latest international fixture, so as to suggest he's certainly in our plans.
- Mourinho gave a more than justifiable reason for excluding him in following games, saying hel earn more fitness from full term training, rather than match day training and playing 15 mins.
Yet, many posters are acting like little girls because they haven't seen him start a game yet. I bet the same posters will do a 180 turn if he plays 70 odd minutes today.
There has been a couple of quotes from Jose on Mhiki earlier in the season which are interesting.
He said a couple of times "he's an elite level player at the right age" - genuinely sounded delighted to have him and so contradicts any notion he was a board signing to smooth through the Zlatan / Pogba deals with the agent.
He also said "he's very good player but just because I bought him it doesn't mean I have to show everybody how good he is straight away". He said that a couple of times and I thought it was odd. When he started against City I thought it was some Jose master plan to use him as some kind of secret weapon.
He said a couple of times "he's an elite level player at the right age" - genuinely sounded delighted to have him and so contradicts any notion he was a board signing to smooth through the Zlatan / Pogba deals with the agent.
He also said "he's very good player but just because I bought him it doesn't mean I have to show everybody how good he is straight away". He said that a couple of times and I thought it was odd. When he started against City I thought it was some Jose master plan to use him as some kind of secret weapon.
I applaud Mourinho
I couldn't give a crap about Mikhitaryan not playing. I'm clearly the 1% minority here who realises he's dog turd. As soon as you all get your wish and Miki starts playing, you'll soon realise the same. Hopefully we get that out the way asap.
And before I get "he was the bungesliga player of the year" so was Mahrez in the PL. And I wouldn't have him either.
I couldn't give a crap about Mikhitaryan not playing. I'm clearly the 1% minority here who realises he's dog turd. As soon as you all get your wish and Miki starts playing, you'll soon realise the same. Hopefully we get that out the way asap.
And before I get "he was the bungesliga player of the year" so was Mahrez in the PL. And I wouldn't have him either.
I think that says more about your judgement, than the ability of those players
I concur tbf
That's, funny because Mourinho was the guy who paid a hefty sum to sign that "dog turd".
As Kevin De Bruyne clearly stated, there was no problem with him at Chelsea, Jose made up excuses for not trusting him and he was sold, promptly proving him world class player. This idea that it must be the player is bull. both Jose and Henrikh have previous.
He started one game after returning from injury. Look how many games it takes Wayne to get back into the swing of things when injured. He also aggrevated his injury in that match. If that is what one can judge a players readiness on, then one is a fool. Football requires more patience. Look how many games Pogba has been awful in. More than he hasn't. Same with Zlatan. They keep getting chances. Lingard has been poor in some games but keeps getting chances. In fact most of our players have been shite and got more chances. Smalling had a horror show vs Chelsea and he will be picked. Any manager who deems someone not suitable based on one half, does not have the patience to manage a happy squad.
Of course it could be that Henrikh is homesick, I am just debunking the idea that you can fully judge a player in one start, after being injured.
Thank God you don't scout players for any club in the premier league then. Wouldn't be able to notice talent if it smacked you in the face.
Lingard was worse, at least Mkhi was able to control and trap the ball. Remember how many times Lingard couldn't even trap the ball and it kept going out/him losing possession.
A large part of being a manager is to know your players. To know who you can yell at in front of the whole team, who you need to take aside and talk privately in a calm manner. Who needs more attention explaining tactical stuff and who just needs two words and gets it. I mean if it was as simple as: We play 4-3-3. You, you and you. Go win the game a monkey could do the job.
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