[Sylar]

He did play like he was injured though. And given the knock he picked up recently on international duty, I was surprised he started.

I guess Jose wanted to go for his pace out wide but unfortunately didnt work.

Also think he has to take part of the blame for the first goal. He just let Kolarov pick out a long pass (even Rooney was telling him to press whilst everybody else did, he just didnt do his job there).

 

[Adisa]

Having a scan tomorrow. It seems he's still injured. Which makes the decision to start him look even more ridiculous.

 

[Red_toad]

He was out for 7-10 days and was rushed back to play the game

And this proves he was injured? How exactly.

He was passed as fit by the club, who employ some very well qualified medical staff, yet you know better? Quit making excuses, he choked, simple as. He was passed as fit and would have had some pre match routines and examinations. If he wasn't fit then he'd not have featured, as we have lots of options. Odd how you know better, yet you claim Jose is stupid.

 

[Sean_RedDevil]

I was at the game and you could easily see that he wasn't 100% fit.......i was shocked to see that he has played 45 minutes.

 

[Sereques]

Hindsight is 20/20 but I question the decision to give Mkhitaryan his first league start at a Manchester Derby, same goes for Lingard that hans't played since Community shield. Both set up to fail.

 

[Keenst]

Hindsight is 20/20 but I question the decision to give Mkhitaryan his first league start at a Manchester Derby, same goes for Lingard that hans't played since Community shield. Both set up to fail.

It does seem that way now but there's only one way to learn about players and that's playing them. Most people were delighted to see Mkhi in the starting line up when it was announced. Lingard looked nervous to me too but , for me, the bigger problem with him is that he's just not talented enough to in a team striving to be the very best.

 

[Sereques]

It does seem that way now but there's only one way to learn about players and that's playing them. Most people were delighted to see Mkhi in the starting line up when it was announced. Lingard looked nervous to me too but , for me, the bigger problem with him is that he's just not talented enough to in a team striving to be the very best.

I wasn't delighted when I saw Mkhitaryan. He's yet to start a premier league game and it was a Derby? I was expecting the same group at Hull and bring Mkhitaryan on later.

 

[Dec9003]

I think he was very poor yesterday, I don't think he deserves any excuses as to why either. He's supposed to be a brilliant creative force but his touch was heavier than Rooneys, if he wants to succeed at United then he needs to be more confident and quite frankly just much better.

 

[K2K]

He's going straight to the bench for premier league games.

Rashford on the right and probably a 3 man midfield.

 

[Eriku]

I have to say that I've NEVER seen anyone start a match as badly as he did yesterday. I was incredulous that the first 5-6 involvements he had he managed to lose the ball.

Looked sharp both times he came off the bench, yesterday was definitely one to forget for him.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

I never properly watched him before United but i like him at first glance, looks like a interesting player. Yes he was poor yesterday but he didnt play much this season, was doubtful before the game, new league, new country, first start(maybe im wrong with this one, great memory eh lol) for United and it was a derby game....

 

[noodlehair]

It's definitely way too early to be wirting him off or hailing him as a success...but there are already signs of him being another Kagawa/Mata can do no wrong player on the caf, regardless of how good or bad he is.

If Rooney had played like that yesterday after picking up an injury on international duty, no one would have given him any slack at all, and rightly so, because it was a terrible performance. You can't have it both ways.

The bottom line is he needs to do much better than that. His performance was bad enough to make Mourinho look like an idiot for starting him.

 

[RedRover]

Don't Dortmund play a higher tempo game than most any PL side?

I don't know. As I said, looked off the pace yesterday. Perhaps he wasn't fit, but he needs to be a lot better than that.

I personally think he'd be better in behind the striker where he can drop into space. He's not a traditional winger in terms of stretching the play. Square peg in a round hole for me.

 

[RedRover]

It's definitely way too early to be wirting him off or hailing him as a success...but there are already signs of him being another Kagawa/Mata can do no wrong player on the caf, regardless of how good or bad he is.

If Rooney had played like that yesterday after picking up an injury on international duty, no one would have given him any slack at all, and rightly so, because it was a terrible performance. You can't have it both ways.

The bottom line is he needs to do much better than that. His performance was bad enough to make Mourinho look like an idiot for starting him.

He looked a bit shell shocked by the pace of what was going on around him.

Some players look superb in a great side that's playing well, but not so good when the pressure is on and you're on the back foot. Hopefully he's not one of those.

 

[Shark]

I really hope he's not going to join the long list of duds we've signed these past three years. It's infuriating how many times we've been let down.

 

[Skills]

With mourinho it was always going to be sink or swim when given a chance. I called it after he was left on the bench. You don't get a chance to settle in with him, and I'm pretty Mkhitaryan will gone next summer for a 10-15m loss.

 

[El Zoido]

He was injured and shouldn't have played. It's pretty ridiculous to write him off based on the first half yesterday.

 

[HabeasC]

With mourinho it was always going to be sink or swim when given a chance. I called it after he was left on the bench. You don't get a chance to settle in with him, and I'm pretty Mkhitaryan will gone next summer for a 10-15m loss.

 

[SATA]

I thought he had his moments though he was losing the ball rather alot. Lingard was far worse to be fair, he couldn't even control a simple pass and the crowd was right up on him after that

 

[NK86]

I thought he had his moments though he was losing the ball rather alot. Lingard was far worse to be fair, he couldn't even control a simple pass and the crowd was right up on him after that

The crowd really got on his back after 4-5 simple passes to him went out of play. There was ome particular deep in their third where he seemed off side and just didn't control the ball. The ball went out for a throw as he wasn't offside. His confidence seemed shot tbh.

 

[Zlaatan]

Based on his performances when he's come on as a sub I was really excited to see him start yesterday but he had a very, very bad day unfortunately.

I still think that he will be cemented in our starting 11 before Christmas though. He's got so much quality and is an actual threat on the wing unlike some of our other wingers.

 

[NK86]

It's definitely way too early to be wirting him off or hailing him as a success...but there are already signs of him being another Kagawa/Mata can do no wrong player on the caf, regardless of how good or bad he is.

If Rooney had played like that yesterday after picking up an injury on international duty, no one would have given him any slack at all, and rightly so, because it was a terrible performance. You can't have it both ways.

The bottom line is he needs to do much better than that. His performance was bad enough to make Mourinho look like an idiot for starting him.

The Rooney hate is not because he is poor one match, it's cause he has been poor for the better part of 3 years now. If Mkhitariyan played like that for another couple of games, the whole caf will be on his back for sure and rightly so.

 

[NK86]

He's going straight to the bench for premier league games.

Rashford on the right and probably a 3 man midfield.

So he won't start again in the PL is what you are saying?

 

[K2K]

So he won't start again in the PL is what you are saying?

That's a massive stretch from what I said.

He will be on the bench for the forthcoming games.

 

[kouroux]

Hindsight is 20/20 but I question the decision to give Mkhitaryan his first league start at a Manchester Derby, same goes for Lingard that hans't played since Community shield. Both set up to fail.

It is a legitimate question tbh, hindsight or not and that even more considering he was doubtful to be fit.

 

[lysglimt]

He is a brilliant player - he just had a horrible day. Started badly and it got worse.

 

[NK86]

That's a massive stretch from what I said.

He will be on the bench for the forthcoming games.

Oh.. I agree with that. I expect to see a Martial - Zlatan - Rashford frontline starting for us the next few games.

 

[Esquire]

And this proves he was injured? How exactly.

He was passed as fit by the club, who employ some very well qualified medical staff, yet you know better? Quit making excuses, he choked, simple as. He was passed as fit and would have had some pre match routines and examinations. If he wasn't fit then he'd not have featured, as we have lots of options. Odd how you know better, yet you claim Jose is stupid.

Agree with this. He looked very much off the place and overwhelmed by the press put on by City. Maybe he shouldn't have started this game as it shows he is not fully acclimated to the speed and physicality of the league. Not worried about him though once he gets up to speed he will cement that spot on the RW.

 

[Kaos]

With mourinho it was always going to be sink or swim when given a chance. I called it after he was left on the bench. You don't get a chance to settle in with him, and I'm pretty Mkhitaryan will gone next summer for a 10-15m loss.

Calm down ffs, its been all of 4 games.

Let's give him a proper chance before already forcibly packing his bags.

 

[Balu]

Agree with this. He looked very much off the place and overwhelmed by the press put on by City. Maybe he shouldn't have started this game as it shows he is not fully acclimated to the speed and physicality of the league. Not worried about him though once he gets up to speed he will cement that spot on the RW.

He simply lacks the mentality for big occasions. Even last season when he finally got used to the Bundesliga in his 3rd year, had a coach trusting him 100%, bringing the best out of him and when he should have been high on confidence because of his performances against smaller clubs, he was a no show in almost all big games for Dortmund. I'd be very surprised if that changes anytime soon.

 

[Nighteyes]

He's not that good or at least is not the player we needed.

I really have no idea why we even signed him to begin with. Completely unnecessary signing. I'd rather have Mata all day long.

 

[AndyJ1985]

He's not that good or at least is not the player we needed.

I really have no idea why we even signed him to begin with. Completely unnecessary signing. I'd rather have Mata all day long.

A ridiculous comment based off one match.

 

[Nighteyes]

A ridiculous comment based off one match.

No, it's based on actually watching him play funnily enough.

 

[kps88]

He's not that good or at least is not the player we needed.

I really have no idea why we even signed him to begin with. Completely unnecessary signing. I'd rather have Mata all day long.

This is exactly what was being said about Evra after his first start, which also happened to be a Manchester derby in which he only lasted 45 minutes. Just replace Mata with Heinze.

 

[Shark]

He's not that good or at least is not the player we needed.

I really have no idea why we even signed him to begin with. Completely unnecessary signing. I'd rather have Mata all day long.

Why are you being so definitive? He's barely played yet ffs.

 

[AndyJ1985]

No, it's based on actually watching him play funnily enough.

You watched one of Dortmund's best players and came to the conclusion he isn't very good? I'll make sure to ignore your player analysis in future.

 

[ADJUDICATOR]

He's not that good or at least is not the player we needed.

I really have no idea why we even signed him to begin with. Completely unnecessary signing. I'd rather have Mata all day long.

We signed him because he could potentially alleviate two major issues we went into the window with: lack of quality at the right-wing and poor chance creation.

 

[Nighteyes]

This is exactly what was being said about Evra after his first start, which also happened to be a Manchester derby in which he only lasted 45 minutes. Just replace Mata with Heinze.

What was being said about Evra is entirely irrelevant to me because I didnt say it and neither had I watched much of Evra to be making any kind of statements about him. Pointless to bring that up.

You watched one of Dortmund's best players and came to the conclusion he isn't very good? I'll make sure to ignore your player analysis in future.

Good. Since you obviously haven't got anything constructive to offer.

We signed him because he could potentially alleviate two major issues we went into the window with: lack of quality at the right-wing and poor chance creation.

He isn't going to do any of that. We needed pace and creativity on the right wing and we got Mkhitaryan instead. Give this thread another 20 pages and people will be talking about how his best position is as a #10. Already seen it in other threads and after the Hull game.

That's not to say he's shit but he's not better than what we already have. He's a shade quicker than Mata but Mata is more clinical and and the more creative player overall.

 

[Vilev]

The guy is simply is not ready for PL right now. It's not the same being good enough to play in Bundesliga and in PL. Not because of the level, but more because of the different style. For example lets even forget Kagawa, lets take Darmian, he was italian international, he played for Torino not as a classic fullback, but rather as a more attacking wingback. Then he came here, and?.. He was so shit in attack that now only a moron would prefer him to Valencia at RB, while Valencia is not really a top right back. It's just the speed of the game, the physical aspect was too much for Darmian.
Same thing with Micki. In order to succeed here, he needs to develop his game, so that it fits in PL. And there is also an important thing. While every player has an off-days, the way Micki played is completely pathetic, at United you simply can't have that big of an off-day. When you don't even turn up.

 

[Ish]

He's not that good or at least is not the player we needed.

I really have no idea why we even signed him to begin with. Completely unnecessary signing. I'd rather have Mata all day long.

I'd give him a bit more time, personally. And, personally, I've thought Mata to have been largely "ok" for us, over his 2.5 seasons with us, but I expected more. I'll lay part of that on playing him out wide and not building the team around him at 10. But, it's a bit strange calling this a pointless transfer.

Any signing from abroad especially, is a major risk. But if he comes good, which I hope he will after settling in a bit more, he'll bring something very good to the team.