Have we signed anyone yet? | Yes, with stupid tax

[worldinmotion66]

I think a large section of our support are massively underrating our players. They're nowhere near as bad as they showed last season, and having a proper manager will prove that this year.

We can't make all the signings we need to in one window, it was never going to be possible because its a struggle to move players on. The wages and mismanagement at the top has led us to this point, and the only way to stop the cycle is to take less risks in the transfer market. Knee jerk signings like Wan Bissaka have got us into the mess we're in, so holding out for a player like de Jong is clearly the right move.

That said, I'd enquire about Paredes because I think he could be a top player in the right system, with the right manager. He, De Jong, Fred, Eriksen, Garner and McTominay for two positions gives us fantastic versatility and depth. If we don't get De Jong, he's a decent stop gap.

 

[skc_18]

More than FDJ I think we need a signing to replace Greenwood. In Greenwood, we had a super-sub which I don't see in the team.

 

[NZT-One]

If we're cool signing ex-Liverpool, i don't mind Wijnaldum from that list.

I'd take Gueye for the right money as well.

This just doesn't make sense to me. If Frenkie was guaranteed to come the next season if we lose out on him now then id get the whole Frenkie or bust thing but that's not the case at all.

I'm sure we have alternatives, because there are players available right now who maybe can't play the Frenkie role as well as him but can do it better than Fred - Fabian Ruiz, Neuhaus etc. And if nobody is pleased with those alternatives then we can switch style. ETH didn't use a De Jong type of player and used a DM in his last years at Ajax. We can get a DM and play more like the 2021 Ajax

At this point, no matter the style Eth wants to play, we simply don't have the players for it. So buying a midfielder should be a necessity

Totally with you on this. Don't get it as well. Even when we accept that FDJ is our priority #1, we could still go out and go for a DM as one is necessary in almost all systems and we certainly can do with one. If FDJ comes, there will still be games, where it makes sense to put a ball winner next to him. Or we want to see a game out, what ever.

I think a large section of our support are massively underrating our players. They're nowhere near as bad as they showed last season, and having a proper manager will prove that this year.

We can't make all the signings we need to in one window, it was never going to be possible because its a struggle to move players on. The wages and mismanagement at the top has led us to this point, and the only way to stop the cycle is to take less risks in the transfer market. Knee jerk signings like Wan Bissaka have got us into the mess we're in, so holding out for a player like de Jong is clearly the right move.

That said, I'd enquire about Paredes because I think he could be a top player in the right system, with the right manager. He, De Jong, Fred, Eriksen, Garner and McTominay for two positions gives us fantastic versatility and depth. If we don't get De Jong, he's a decent stop gap.

Certainly we can't. But the most pressing issues should be covered. A very negative way to see things would be that we brought in a cheap punt LB, one of the positions we are relatively ok, compared to RB where Dalot has exactly 2 half decent pre-season games which shouldn't stop us to upgrade. We also brought in our 2nd choice CB and a free agent with a serious health issue. Don't get me wrong, I like all of those players. But those additions should be more or less routine transfers.

I'd be fine with Paredes too by the way. If possible maybe not on a 5 year deal with huge wages but he'd fit the profile I would look for.

More than FDJ I think we need a signing to replace Greenwood. In Greenwood, we had a super-sub which I don't see in the team.

Good thinking, I agree, we missed Greenwood last year certainly. I am relatively alright with our first team attack, Martial-Rashford-Sancho-Bruno - I think thats not bad at all but it certainly is pretty light. (Feels wrong to consider Ronaldo still an option to me, he may go to Atletico, I don't care, I don't need him if he isn't comitted - don't think it would help to create the right atmosphere)

 

[worldinmotion66]

I'd take Gueye for the right money as well.


Totally with you on this. Don't get it as well. Even when we accept that FDJ is our priority #1, we could still go out and go for a DM as one is necessary in almost all systems and we certainly can do with one. If FDJ comes, there will still be games, where it makes sense to put a ball winner next to him. Or we want to see a game out, what ever.


Certainly we can't. But the most pressing issues should be covered. A very negative way to see things would be that we brought in a cheap punt LB, one of the positions we are relatively ok, compared to RB where Dalot has exactly 2 half decent pre-season games which shouldn't stop us to upgrade. We also brought in our 2nd choice CB and a free agent with a serious health issue. Don't get me wrong, I like all of those players. But those additions should be more or less routine transfers.

I'd be fine with Paredes too by the way. If possible maybe not on a 5 year deal with huge wages but he'd fit the profile I would look for.


Good thinking, I agree, we missed Greenwood last year certainly. I am relatively alright with our first team attack, Martial-Rashford-Sancho-Bruno - I think thats not bad at all but it certainly is pretty light. (Feels wrong to consider Ronaldo still an option to me, he may go to Atletico, I don't care, I don't need him if he isn't comitted - don't think it would help to create the right atmosphere)

Yeah I'm happy with Malacia because of the low fee and the fact that Telles hasn't been good enough. But I think Eriksen is a super signing and he'll prove to be very valuable.

The issue we have is that we've lost a lot of depth and still need to upgrade the first team in so many positions. Right back and central midfield should've been the priority this season. Think we could see Martinez in midfield at times just because we have so little depth.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Another day gone with no transfer business. The Glazers are counting down the days until the season starts. Nearly home free now.

 

[Stig]

I heard on the radio about an hour ago that we had signed some striker. That is all I picked up, but my hopes seem to have been dashed as there is no mention of it here.

 

[croadyman]

I heard on the radio about an hour ago that we had signed some striker. That is all I picked up, but my hopes seem to have been dashed as there is no mention of it here.

You are probably thinking of that Spanish striker who has just signed for Women's team

 

[Andycoleno9]

I refuse to believe that we will go in season with only 3 proven attackers. I am hoping that we have deal in place for at least one forward

 

[LawCharltonBest]

3 signings in officially. So where are we at?

I’m reading it as this:

United want two more signings for this window. A midfielder and a forward.

The midfielder is quite clearly De Jong but due to complications it could be late August before we know for sure if he’s coming

The forward rests on Ronaldo leaving, which could also run until the final days of the window

Is that about it? Or where am I wrong?

 

[Godfather]

I refuse to believe that we will go in season with only 3 proven attackers. I am hoping that we have deal in place for at least one forward

It's incredible isn't it? The state we are in is not even funny anymore. Managed to completely ignore the most obvious holes in our squad so far.

 

[Olecurls99]

I think a large section of our support are massively underrating our players. They're nowhere near as bad as they showed last season, and having a proper manager will prove that this year.

We can't make all the signings we need to in one window, it was never going to be possible because its a struggle to move players on. The wages and mismanagement at the top has led us to this point, and the only way to stop the cycle is to take less risks in the transfer market. Knee jerk signings like Wan Bissaka have got us into the mess we're in, so holding out for a player like de Jong is clearly the right move.

That said, I'd enquire about Paredes because I think he could be a top player in the right system, with the right manager. He, De Jong, Fred, Eriksen, Garner and McTominay for two positions gives us fantastic versatility and depth. If we don't get De Jong, he's a decent stop gap.

I think people are right to doubt that we can challenge for anything with Mctominay in the first 11 and Elanga and other kids as backup wingers.

I personally didn't think we needed another centre half and could have used the money to sign a winger instead.

 

[Utd heap]

3 signings in officially. So where are we at?

I’m reading it as this:

United want two more signings for this window. A midfielder and a forward.

The midfielder is quite clearly De Jong but due to complications it could be late August before we know for sure if he’s coming

The forward rests on Ronaldo leaving, which could also run until the final days of the window

Is that about it? Or where am I wrong?

Seems to be.

 

[prateik]

We were light up front last season.. Martial is back from loan, but we have lost Cavani and Greenwood... Ronaldo wants to leave.. even if he stays, he isnt pushing himself till after the WC..

We have also lost Lingard, Mata, Matic and Pogba..

We have signed a LB who we didnt need (might be an upgrade over time but basically replacing Telles or Shaw), a CB (again, we have plenty in terms of numbers) and a backup-ish versatile midfielder/ attacking mid.. (replacing Lingard + Mata)

We still need a lot more.. A striker, a quality midfielder.. hopefully an attacking RB.. and if possible a wide player.

Forget FDJ.. even without that, been a pretty underwhelming window so far.

 

[laughtersassassin]

So y'all ready to admit this summer is disgracefully poor if we start the season with these additions.....

 

[Utd heap]

So y'all ready to admit this summer is disgracefully poor if we start the season with these additions.....

I don't think it's that black and white myself.

I'd have liked to have seen more action, but I'm not casting big opinions on it until at a minimum the window closes.

Arguably shifting bad smells in the dressing room is the priority for this reset.

 

[MUnchies]

So y'all ready to admit this summer is disgracefully poor if we start the season with these additions.....

So what if we start the season with those three signings and win all our games to start? Then what?

I trust the manager and I believe he will bring the best out of our players. Before Klopp went to Liverpool Henderson was a laughing stock, who’s laughing now? That’s what a good manager can do, bring the best out of players.

It’s not always sign sign sign. It’s Ten Hag’s first transfer window gesh atleast let him access the squad first until January atleast.Like I have said over and over this is a process that will take time but our fans want us to challenge ASAP.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Eth said that he wants holding midfielder but the right one so i can accept that it is FDJ or nothing. But 10 days ago (when he thought that Ronaldo is staying) he said that he needs one more attacker. So he needs/wants two now. We are not in negotiations with any attacker. That is not good sign 8 days before first game

 

[AndySmith1990]

A month left and the midfield and attack is still weaker (on paper, and certainly in depth) than last season. The RB position is unbelievably shit too. It's not a great start by the new regime so far if we're being brutally honest

 

[Trequarista10]

A month left and the midfield and attack is still weaker (on paper, and certainly in depth) than last season. The RB position is unbelievably shit too. It's not a great start by the new regime so far if we're being brutally honest

Honestly what the hell do people expect?

Not aimed at you because about 25% of posters have this same outlook. We've completed 3 signings already, the window is still open, we are evidently trying to finalise deals for two more (De Jong, Antony). We've been seemingly taken by surprise by Ronaldo and may look to add a CF as well if he can be moved on. It's not straight forward to just sign players straight away, things take time. We're partially hampered by being out of the CL which will limit some signings. Competing against clubs who have had the regime in place so could start on deals well before we could (some transfers completed this summer the chase probably started 6, maybe 12 months ago).

I suspect some people just have this depressing outlook because we've been a mess for a decade now, but surely that's more reason to empathise with the monumental challenge the new regime face rather than criticise them for only completing three signings before August, with a couple others on the horizon? I geneuinely don't know what could realistically be expected of them to have achieved at this point in time. Also it's pretty grating to read.

 

[Infra-red]

So y'all ready to admit this summer is disgracefully poor if we start the season with these additions.....

I don't think that the success of a summer is solely based on transfers (although they do of course play an important part).

I think we've seen some encouraging signs from the performances in pre-season - certainly enough to suggest that Ten Hag might know what he is doing - and therefore I wouldn't say that the summer has been a total busy, even with the squad in pretty poor shape as things stand.

I agree that it will not be a good look for Murtough/Arnold if they fail to get De Jong over the line after investing so much time and effort, though.

 

[Vapor trail]

So y'all ready to admit this summer is disgracefully poor if we start the season with these additions.....

It has all the signs of a below average summer. I wouldn't describe it as poor one but the quality of the first 11 is a significant issue. The feeling behind this season is that we are relying more on ETH than the players contribution and that itself is a bad position to be in. Midfield is the biggest concern by a distance. If Rashford / Sancho are unavailable for any select few fixtures next season where / what are the alternatives ?

 

[SAFMUTD]

I wont lie, I expected much more quality incoming. If we dont get De Jong and one quality striker before the window closes this summer cant be labeled as anything but a failure.

We finished 6th with multiple players departing, yet we've seen Arsenal sign Zinchenko, Gabriel Jesus, Fabio Vieira. Chelsea Sterling and Koulibaly, Spurs with Perisic, Bissouma, Richarlison, Spence, Lenglet and of course City with Haaland and Kalvin Philips.

Ffs we lost Greenwood, Matic, Pogba, Cavani and we're about to lose Cristiano. We had a shitty as hell season, yet we have a weaker squad than what we had one year ago and there seems to be no urgency. Only thing to be optimism about is hoping Ten Hag can coach this lot to punch way above their weight.

 

[Laurencio]

I wont lie, I expected much more quality incoming. If we dont get De Jong and one quality striker before the window closes this summer cant be labeled as anything but a failure.

We finished 6th with multiple players departing, yet we've seen Arsenal sign Zinchenko, Gabriel Jesus, Fabio Vieira. Chelsea Sterling and Koulibaly, Spurs with Perisic, Bissouma, Richarlison, Spence, Lenglet and of course City with Haaland and Kalvin Philips.

Ffs we lost Greenwood, Matic, Pogba, Cavani and we're about to lose Cristiano. We had a shitty as hell season, yet we have a weaker squad than what we had one year ago and there seems to be no urgency. Only thing to be optimism about is hoping Ten Hag can coach this lot to punch way above their weight.

Pretty much. We need three quality signings in by the end of the window for this to be considered a success. A right winger, a striker and de Jong. I get that we can't fix every issue in one window, but that's the minimum we need to challenge for the top 4. It could of course still work out brilliantly in the end, but as of right now we're behind our direct competitors for the top 4 finish.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Pretty much. We need three quality signings in by the end of the window for this to be considered a success. A right winger, a striker and de Jong. I get that we can't fix every issue in one window, but that's the minimum we need to challenge for the top 4. It could of course still work out brilliantly in the end, but as of right now we're behind our direct competitors for the top 4 finish.

Being realistic there's only 2 places to fight for the top 4. City and Liverpool are nailed on 1st/2nd. That leaves two spots for Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal and us. I think we're the least favourite of the lot. Maybe above Arsenal if Ten Hag proves to be a great manager. But definitely behind Chelsea and Spurs.

 

[Frank Grimes]

We have released the following players, their estimated yearly wage shown.

Cavani (10m)
Pogba (17.5m)
Lingard (7.5m)
Mata (5m)
Matic (7.5m)

That's 50-60m off the wage bill. Let's say that covers the Malacia and Martinez deals. Eriksen is a free. All the other players released/loaned out cover Malacia, Martinez and Eriksen wages.

If Ronaldo leaves, which is looking likely that's another 20m off the wage bill. So the Glazers will actually be 30m better off when Pereira sale is added.
It's also widely reported that Bailly, Williams and Tuanzebe are going to be sold. That could potentially be another 30m, definitely when wages are included.

The squad is in need in so many areas (midfield, rb, rw, fwd/9) and it's just over a week before the season starts. This is a World Cup year and there will also be a 5 sub rule introduced, our squad is lacking in depth in a season where depth will be more important than ever. God knows what happens if we suffer a few injuries, in midfield and forward positions especially. Also there are 16 games before World Cup, a bad start could be curtains to top 4 race prospects. Anything other than 3 more signings and serious questions have to be asked.

I haven't even mentioned Greenwood. So that's Matic, Pogba, Mata, Lingard, Cavani, Ronaldo and Greenwood all gone from our midfield and forward line replaced by only Eriksen (who is a good signing). I'm seriously struggling to see why everyone is so positive going into the new season, I really think too much emphasis has been put on a few mickey mouse pre season games and people are failing to see we're woefully short. There's still time for the board to deliver Ten Hag some players, he's a good coach but he won't be able to get this squad anywhere.

 

[AndyMUFC]

I never expected to sign any more than 4 or 5 players and we'll judge at the end of the window but I also never expected us to start the season with so little strength in depth in midfield and attack either.

 

[Idxomer]

This is starting to be similar to Ole's first season with slight variations.

Back then when we left the attack lacking in options, the same thing is happening. We decided we're gonna depend on Lingard and Pereira as our attacking midfielders, this time there's a good chance we're banking fully on Fred and McTominay being our central midfielders for the season.

 

[laughtersassassin]

So what if we start the season with those three signings and win all our games to start? Then what?

I trust the manager and I believe he will bring the best out of our players. Before Klopp went to Liverpool Henderson was a laughing stock, who’s laughing now? That’s what a good manager can do, bring the best out of players.

It’s not always sign sign sign. It’s Ten Hag’s first transfer window gesh atleast let him access the squad first until January atleast.Like I have said over and over this is a process that will take time but our fans want us to challenge ASAP.

Ha

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

We should be seeing efforts to sign a right winger now. There's no excuse for this. Antony is overpriced so move on to the next alternative

 

[mitchmouse]

I think a large section of our support are massively underrating our players. They're nowhere near as bad as they showed last season, and having a proper manager will prove that this year.

We can't make all the signings we need to in one window, it was never going to be possible because its a struggle to move players on. The wages and mismanagement at the top has led us to this point, and the only way to stop the cycle is to take less risks in the transfer market. Knee jerk signings like Wan Bissaka have got us into the mess we're in, so holding out for a player like de Jong is clearly the right move.

That said, I'd enquire about Paredes because I think he could be a top player in the right system, with the right manager. He, De Jong, Fred, Eriksen, Garner and McTominay for two positions gives us fantastic versatility and depth. If we don't get De Jong, he's a decent stop gap.

I think they are exactly as bad as they were last season. the results showed it! Can ETH turn things around? Maybe... to enough of a degree to get us into top four? seems highly unlikely given that other teams in and around the CL spots have strengthened drastically

 

[MrSingh2002]

You'd have cried if you were told at the end of last season we'd only have signed 3 players with so many leaving/sold.

We need a minimum of 4 more to challenge for top 4 this season. CDM, ST, RW and RB.

Remember when we used to laugh at Arsenal for targeting top 4?

 

[laughtersassassin]

Awful summer so far. No getting around that fact.

 

[MUnchies]

Ha

Exactly my point. Knew you were just moaning

 

[worldinmotion66]

I think they are exactly as bad as they were last season. the results showed it! Can ETH turn things around? Maybe... to enough of a degree to get us into top four? seems highly unlikely given that other teams in and around the CL spots have strengthened drastically

Rubbish. Sancho was scoring and assisting for fun in the bundesliga before joining our circus. He's a top player and he'll show more of his quality this season. Bruno has already showed how good he can be in the right set up, both at united and Sporting. Rashford had an awful season last year but the two previous seasons he scored 20+ goals from the wing. Martial scored 17 league goals in his only real season as our first choice Centre forward in a pretty dysfunctional team. Luke Shaw has followed up his best ever season with arguably his worst. Maguire the same. Varane has won everything there is to win but hasn't even got going yet.

These players are nowhere near as bad as they showed last season. And we've added a player that was in the top 3 for chances created in the Premier league from January last season...playing for Brentford. We've added the player of the season from an ajax team that won all six of their group games including a 4-0 win against dortmund where he pocketed Haaland.

Yes, we need more players. We're really short in attacking depth, we need a midfielder that can dictate tempo and a decent right back. But we will be better this season even without further signings. We have a proper manager with a proper coaching team that will get more from what we have.

 

[Volksie316]

It’s been a terrible summer window so far, and we can’t hide from that.

We needed a good few players, without anybody leaving, but with the ones what have left, we have been left short, and we don’t seem in any hurry to replace them.

Midfield was the absolute priority, and we have done next to nothing in that area, and another season of McFred looms ever closely.

In attack we look bare, and with Ronaldo wanting out, we will be left with no recognised striker.

No other top club, would operate this way and it’s humiliating.

 

[Ralph1386]

Rashford had an awful season last year but the two previous seasons he scored 20+ goals from the wing.

Rashford has been bad for two seasons now, not just one. The season before he wasn’t good either, and the 20+ goals you mention mostly came in 2019-2020 which was two years ago.

 

[mitchmouse]

It’s been a terrible summer window so far, and we can’t hide from that.

We needed a good few players, without anybody leaving, but with the ones what have left, we have been left short, and we don’t seem in any hurry to replace them.

Midfield was the absolute priority, and we have done next to nothing in that area, and another season of McFred looms ever closely.

In attack we look bare, and with Ronaldo wanting out, we will be left with no recognised striker.

No other top club, would operate this way and it’s humiliating.

Agreed. Finally someone who hasn't either got red-tinted glasses on or is just going on blind faith that everything will magically come right this time

 

[mitchmouse]

You'd have cried if you were told at the end of last season we'd only have signed 3 players with so many leaving/sold.

We need a minimum of 4 more to challenge for top 4 this season. CDM, ST, RW and RB.

Remember when we used to laugh at Arsenal for targeting top 4?

this

 

[Volksie316]

Agreed. Finally someone who hasn't either got red-tinted glasses on or is just going on blind faith that everything will magically come right this time

I have hope that things will be better this season, because Ten Hag is the type of manager, what won’t accept shit, but being realistic, it won’t be that much better.

The style of football will hopefully be a lot better, and early sings point to that being true, but these players are just not up for job.

Certain players, no matter how hard they might work are just not good enough for Manchester United, and no other top club would even have them on the bench.

 

[worldinmotion66]

Rashford has been bad for two seasons now, not just one. The season before he wasn’t good either, and the 20+ goals you mention mostly came in 2019-2020 which was two years ago.

He scored 21 the season before last, and 22 the season before that.