The June thing isn't an issue considering no players we signed would be training just now anyway, next week is obviously huge. We need to sign at least 3 before flying out.
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If you think we can sell them all in a one go that's simply not realistic. We can talk about why some players who should have been sold havent been already but you cant expect us to sell 10 players in one transfer window nor is our youth batch so good it could replace them right away. That's not how it goes.
Neither it goes you sell 10 and buy 5 much better players. Its not Football manager, its real life.
Also a pool of players most agree to be not good enough? You numbered about 15 players and concluded most agree on them being sold.
ye i saw that, sounds like a technicality to me though and matter of time?
Why not?
Neither is our every deal a saga and the fact we havent signed anyone or released some more deadwood doesnt mean it wont happen. There's no deadline for releasing deadwood other than the end of the transfer window.
Quote that statement of mine please?
Monday
Monitored the situation on Tuesday
We were considering a bid by Wednesday
And on Thursday, and Friday, and Saturday
Arnold got his sleep on Sunday
Big month this month
And then reality
Monday - nothing
Tuesday - nothing
Wednesday - nothing
Thursday - nothing
Friday - new 5 year deal for Maguire
The numbers you quoted imply that the person you're responding to is expecting those numbers. Clearly they weren't and you over-exaggerated to make your point. I simply called that out.
No-one expects 10 in/10 out, we would have liked more than 0 after the worst season in living memory, a new manager coming in, a new back room structure and presumably a change in playing style/philosophy. Its OK to say "things take time", but presumably we are looking to move 4-5 players on and bringing 4-5 in so that means that 10 deals have so much complexity it takes months and we can't get them done until after pre-season is underway, perhaps even the first games of the season?
All hype and no action..... on and off the pitch !
Poster I quoted literally wrote about 10 to 15 players needed to be sold.
They said there were 10 players that were "well worth listening to offers for. ". Perfectly reasonable.
Neither reasonable nor realistic.
I foolishly hoped things had changed in the management of this club but I guess SSDD
Albert Einstein : “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Albert Einstein : “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Talk about overkill
You do realize that "listening to offers" is not the same as expecting to sell right?
What is not realistic about listening to offers...is that to much work? Are you in charge of transfers?
I am.
Not the same, but what's the purpose of listening to offers if you dont intend to sell?
Because you might get an offer over and above expectation, and be able to replace said player with a better one?
Because you might only get 4 or 5 acceptable offers.
Fair enough but fans and posters expecting or thinking 5 or 10 players should be sold isnt the same as what manager thinks. Maybe he thinks he can get something from some of them and not listen to offers for all 10 or 15 of them. Either way we seem to be going in circles here.
This is rocket science...thanks for breaking it down!
Our aim should be to have a plan months in advance for what actions need to be taken by what dates to make 10 sales possible. Most of the 10 can barely be considered squad players or there are already plans to bring someone in their position so same end result.
Similarly if we need to sell to buy we need to be teeing up the sale early on so we know we can go out and buy the upgrades. E.g. if we sold McTominay we'd definitely want a DM or playmaker to upgrade the midfield options. This becomes a priority to plan ahead because its two deals effectively tied to each other.
Players like Chong could be lined up 6 months in advance, as we've known for a while now that he isn't likely to cut it. A loan might also be a choice if we think the value optimisation isn't right yet, but at a time we need to rebuild we really need to be ruthless to create cash for reinvestment.
Then do some work you lazy bastad!!!
A fringe player is that for a reason. The quality is lacking. Agreed a new setup, a new of playing can unlock some players potential, but there still has to be enough raw talent and desire.
Martial for example has raw talent, but arguably not desire or work rate. Even if Ten Hag thinks he can make him work that is very different to...a £40m offer has come in, would you like ti sell and we'll spend £20m more and get Antony. Instead of being unaffordable and outside budget, suddenly we can afford those upgrades. The £20m might even be covered by a Chong and a Periera. Suddenly then its 3 players who didn't play last year giving you one who could play every game.
Fair, but for instance Rahsford and Fred. I dont think they should be sold. For now. And Rashford has some quality which he needs to rediscover and hopefully will.
Tbf, the previous men in charge were responsible for that. We've let a ton of players go on a free, and it's been widely reported a lot of others are for sale. The contracts Woodward en the others handed out aren't helping the current guys to sell players.
AWB, Bailly, Jones, Pereira, Martial... are among those being made available for a transfer.
Rashford is a case in itself. 2 years left on his contract. Now is the time of maximum value. There is still enough to suggest he could come back and be great and that value can be sold.
If we continue with him we almost certainly want to offer a new contract or lose £20-30m in valuation. The problem is if we offer that contract and he doesn't perform we might lose £40m because he'll be priced out of the market via his salary.
The numbers are clearly hard to pin down, but we could have got £25m for Lingard and he went for nothing. We might have got £100m for Pogba 3 years ago and he has gone for nothing with very little given to us in those 3 years.
We are constantly gambling on players reaching their potential or returning to pre injury levels when there are already big warning signs. We need to be focusing on attributes and consistency and minimising risk around injuries given we've been blighted with that for a while now.
If someone offered c£70m for Rashford I would bite their hands off. At £45m I'd probably say try to negotiate a reasonable contract and keep him for now. Again the contract negotiations should already have been had to understand what Rashford would deem reasonable. At £200k a week you might say let's take a risk. If he wants £400k then we would need to weigh up the timing, but definitely want to sell. Waiting till Jan is risky as with 18 months left Rashford might decide to run down the contract.
Fred is again a valuation question. If we could get Neves for £50m and sell Fred for £35m I'd say that is a deal worth doing. £15m to massively improve midfield. If Neves for £60m and Fred £30m it might not look such a good option.
It just feels like we don't work anywhere near hard enough to plan these kind of aspects. Other clubs get deals done early because they have a plan.
Its obvious we don't have an adequate plan.
Hopefully with a bit of reshuffle in the board and with ETH coming there is some kind of plan and an idea how to work, which players to sell and when and which to buy as opposed to scatter gun approach we seem to had up until now for years.
All decent points. Maybe with buying a forward (Antony?) we'll decide to sell Rashford, who knows. As it stands we're kind of at bare bones in forward positions.
As it stands Pereira is for sale, Martial potentially too, his huge salary is an obstacle of course, Jones will likely retire at United though.
And with a potential CB coming in Bailly might be sold too.
I was thinking about it and something like this would be fantastic:
De jong €80m
De ligt €70m + telles or somw like that
Antony €70m
Martinez €45m
Malacia €15m
Eriksen free
Total spent: €280m
Now the chances of us having a window like that would be practically zero but God what a glorious sight this would be.
Though it might be better to start the season with fewer incomings as it does put a ton of pressure on Eric.
De jong €80m
De ligt €70m + telles or somw like that
Antony €70m
Martinez €45m
Malacia €15m
Eriksen free
Total spent: €280m
Now the chances of us having a window like that would be practically zero but God what a glorious sight this would be.
Though it might be better to start the season with fewer incomings as it does put a ton of pressure on Eric.
Is this a new Craig David song?
Oh so it's all going to happen 'next week' ahh okay then, thanks for confirming.
Dont mention it.
I hope none of you require patience for your real life job
They suggest Gusto for RB, De Jong in CM and Gnabry for RW.
Sunday - we'll chill
Yeah. Clean slate and everything. We came second last year
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