Yes, Legends don't behave like 5 year old's
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Has Ronaldo ruined his legacy for you?
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Absolutely.
Never really had much of a legacy did he? Fecked off to Madrid as soon as he got good. We loved him when he was here but he was hardly here long enough to be considered one of the club greats, more a footballing great who happened to play here.
I started watching football ~ 2007 and Ronaldo was one of the reasons I fell in love with United. It's a shame that it's come to this. Refusing to come on as a sub and walking off before the final whistle is disrespectful.
Not for me, I saw he'd already declined in his final season at Juve and so knew the version we'd get would be a subpar one. I'll always hold the younger version in my mind as the Ronaldo. I spent counltess hours in my teen years practising his moves.
The petulance? Is anyone surprised? It was the same in 2008 and it was the same at various points at Real. You can separate the man from the player.
The petulance? Is anyone surprised? It was the same in 2008 and it was the same at various points at Real. You can separate the man from the player.
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If anything he cemented his legacy as a treacherous son of a gun.
Not really his best days were after he left us and before he rejoined us.
As I said earlier, his legacy was always a bit like a grease stain in a pizza box for me, now it's like a full blown next day Domino's shit. Painful, messy and laced with burning regret.
My lasting memory of him are limited to that 2006 to 2009 period. Anything after that was for the benefit of Real Madrid.
The Juve stint was the start of the end and I never wanted him back here. It's a situation that starts with Mr Commercial yet again. Everyone knew exactly what you get with Ronaldo, and everyone knew at his age his powers were going to fall off dramatically in the Premier League.
The Juve stint was the start of the end and I never wanted him back here. It's a situation that starts with Mr Commercial yet again. Everyone knew exactly what you get with Ronaldo, and everyone knew at his age his powers were going to fall off dramatically in the Premier League.
He ruined most of it when he fecked off the first time. I didn’t want him back and I won’t be sorry to see him go for a second time.
I will absolutely remember him as a tit. And tragically, my 13 year old, who worshipped him, has also come to the same conclusion completely on his own. There's hope for the yoof.
Going back to the title question, not particularly. He's been pretty crap since he rejoined us and his ego at this stage isn't surprising. He was phenomenal in his first era here, part of the best United squad I've ever seen so for that... two thumbs up.
Right now he needs to do some personal growing and acknowledge he isn't anywhere close to the player he once was. Zlatan is somebody to look towards for inspiration there - a similar egomaniac but not unprofessional.
Crucially Zlatan knew when the jig was up and leveraged himself very well during his late career. Ronaldo has been too obsessed with chasing personal records and making sure he doesn't fall behind Messi. A bad combination at this point.
Right now he needs to do some personal growing and acknowledge he isn't anywhere close to the player he once was. Zlatan is somebody to look towards for inspiration there - a similar egomaniac but not unprofessional.
Crucially Zlatan knew when the jig was up and leveraged himself very well during his late career. Ronaldo has been too obsessed with chasing personal records and making sure he doesn't fall behind Messi. A bad combination at this point.
He’s a bit of a twat. Used to be a fine player. You can’t take either away from him. I feel a tiny bit sorry for him, as well despite his unprofessional and pathetic behaviour. The levels of fame and money are grotesque. Hard to keep poise on the downhill slope from there.
Honestly, I don't know if it's just because I'm getting older, but I have no space in brain for athlete's "legacies", it seems a grandiose term for "achievements", unless you put athletes on some celestial plinth.
I guess I am still unclear what a legacy actually is. His 'legacy' will be that he was a great player for Man Utd, scored lots of goals and won lots of trophies, but also had a disappointing second spell and allowed his monstrous ego to get in the way of being a proper professional. All of those things are just true, so it's not like the bad "ruins" the good, they happened independently of each other.
I guess I am still unclear what a legacy actually is. His 'legacy' will be that he was a great player for Man Utd, scored lots of goals and won lots of trophies, but also had a disappointing second spell and allowed his monstrous ego to get in the way of being a proper professional. All of those things are just true, so it's not like the bad "ruins" the good, they happened independently of each other.
I can separate the two spells he's had, first spell he became the best player I've ever seen play for the club, second spell has been a ill advised for both parties
So no btw
So no btw
I always thought he was a wanker, so not really. A monster player at his peak and that era where the CL was basically his bitch was ridiculous, but yeah. Never had super love for him. Even when he was here the first time, in all honestly.
No, Ronaldo has always been massively overrated for his “leadership” qualities which were always non existent. He has always had this crappy behaviour.
Yes, as others mentioned, don't forget even during his first stint he treated the club as he was doing us a favour being there and making things about himself then and has been absolute unprofessional disgrace from the minute he joined the 2nd time round like ignoring the away fans and ole, throwing the young players under the bus etc.. he behaves like a immature child when things don't go his way
Nope, Ronnie is forever a club legend, the same way Ole is forever a club legend. But that doesn't mean Ronaldo or Ole is bigger than the club. No one, not even Fergie, is bigger than the club.
This is really a 'not all marriages that end in divorce are failures' type thing. Some of them just had to end that way.
This is really a 'not all marriages that end in divorce are failures' type thing. Some of them just had to end that way.
Ronaldo i will never forgive for not tracking backing and stopping xavi crossing the ball for messi's headed goal 2009. He wouldn't do the dirty work that night and things have hardly changed and inch.
I don’t know why you are putting Ole next to Ronaldo…
Ronaldo will be always remembered as one of the greatest footballers in history. That’s a fact and cannot be disputed.
However, I cannot understand how a player can be considered a club legend when the said player is clearly disrespecting the club.
You can somehow understand him forcing the move to RM during his first stint as RM/Barcelona is usually the ultimate goal for Southern European players.
However, the way he behaves this season should absolutely preclude him from being considered a club legend. He really doesn’t care about our club, in particular in times when he could really help the club.
Accordingly, how can you put Ole as some kind of barometer for Ronaldo being a club legend.
Ole was a great servant and ultimate professional as a player. We are talking about a player who accepted super sub position without any fuss. Ole’s only fault was ultimately failing as a manager but he did not fail intentionally or maliciously!
No as he had already ruined his legacy for me with his desire to leave after 08 and by actually leaving in 09. Fantastic player but he gave his best years to Madrid.
From his 2nd season with us after euro 2094, he was already in the news that he wanna leave. He came back from Portugal later than expected and requested to be sold. SAF stood his ground and threatened Ronaldo he will rot on the bench. For the next 2 seasons, his mind was set out to Real Madrid. He was never our legend. Scholes, Rooney, vida, evra,Rio, O'Shea, brown..etc...played for the badge and are my manutd legends
It's honestly quite simple. Ronaldo's generational talent as a footballer brought pure joy and excitement during his first stint with us, playing an oversized role in what was a very successful period of our history as a football club. In 2005 Keane, IIRC, publicly declared that he wanted to quit and quite literally aired our dirty laundry in public, yet no one questions (rightly so) his legendary status.
Ole's only crime was being shit at his job as United manager. Please don't even put him in the same breath as that selfish egotistical cnut.
Just another example of a poor transfer strategy that hopefully we have come out of. This behaviour was pretty much nailed on to happen as his playing time became limited. Should have been moved on last summer. Again we’ve struggled in that department as well and still have plenty of players we need to move on for various reasons.
He ruined it when he left at his prime after we helped him to win the ballon d’or and were one of the two best teams in the world.
I never really cared about him after that. And he did not either, so fair play. He came back for the big fat pay day.
I never really cared about him after that. And he did not either, so fair play. He came back for the big fat pay day.
No, not for me. Ronaldo is exactly the same person he always was. From his antics to get Rooney sent off, constant “god only knows the future”, to this incident Ronaldo is and has always been completely self-serving. His legacy is not rooted in being a model sportsman, but rather in being a prolific match winner despite his flaws.
I already thought he was dislikeable and a probable rapist, so this certainly isn't lowering my opinion of him as a person.
As a footballer, not really either. He's old and not good enough any more, reacting the way I'd have expected him to when this moment finally came. It doesn't surprise me or change what he did before as a player. Not like it's in any way out of character.
It'll just be good when this flop return comes to an end and we can move on. Hopefully this will be the last big mistake we make for a while.
As a footballer, not really either. He's old and not good enough any more, reacting the way I'd have expected him to when this moment finally came. It doesn't surprise me or change what he did before as a player. Not like it's in any way out of character.
It'll just be good when this flop return comes to an end and we can move on. Hopefully this will be the last big mistake we make for a while.
I always thought he was a bit of a cnut. Then I read the excerpts from his rape accusation depositions, and knew he was a cnut. Hated his personality on the field, and yet because football is football and most people tend to throw morality out of the window in the face of lots of goals, he retained his legendary status at the club based on his 2003-2009 spell.
Over the summer I learned a lot of inside info from the club that spelled out what a toxic presence he was at the club, and knew it would end like this. For me he will always be remembered as an odious narcissist who once scored a lot of goals for the club, but who I hope will have no further association with it. I will not remember him fondly, at all.
Over the summer I learned a lot of inside info from the club that spelled out what a toxic presence he was at the club, and knew it would end like this. For me he will always be remembered as an odious narcissist who once scored a lot of goals for the club, but who I hope will have no further association with it. I will not remember him fondly, at all.
Of course. He isn’t less of a United player then he was back then
I split him into 2 ronaldos. The young superb ronaldo who was a legend and this old narcissistic easy disliked one. So hes now somewhere in the middle for me and you cant think of the early version, without thinking of this version.
Hes not a legend at this club for me, purely as this version has spoilt his legacy
Never thought he was a United legend, so not much of a legacy. He fecked off to Madrid as soon as he possibly could.
Same reason I'd never call someone like Figo a Barca legend.
Same reason I'd never call someone like Figo a Barca legend.
He's always been a self-obsessed nob. When he was an utterly brilliant player it was easy to live with but he's far from indispensable now. I mean stropping down the tunnel when your side is winning and playing really well? Really poor form
It was weird how he got completely forgiven for that while Rooney got hate for almost leaving for years.
Well said. Ronaldo has always been about Ronaldo, I was disappointed first time around when he left but couldn't give a shite since. Bringing him back was a disaster especially as it undermined Ole given it was Fergie who signed him last year not Ole.
I'm taking the positives which is the credit ETH has built up over this. He seems to have quickly won the power battle in the dressing room importance of which shouldn't be understated.
Ronaldo was perfectly prepared to sign for City. He is the scorpion in the scorpion and the toad parable.
I was done with him when he tried forcing his out of the club just after we won the UCL. I feel he does not and has never cared about MUFC. Madrid has always had his respect and love. The only thing that kept him here has always been SAF.
I've always supported ronaldo but it did leave a sour taste last night.
He's more of a Real Madrid legend than a United one.
He's more of a Real Madrid legend than a United one.
He's the best player I've ever seen play for Utd but there's not much affection for him.
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