Has Ronaldo ruined his legacy for you?
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Fans disregarding Ronaldo as Man Utd legend is strange. Sure I get why fans hate him now as he has been trying to leave in summer and has undermined the manager/team by refusing to play/leave game before final whistle lately.
But what he has done for us in the past is no less than legends like Best or Cantona has done for us throughout their career. Him being bigger legend elsewhere (for Real and Portugal) doesn’t change this fact.
George Best
- 11 seasons at United
- 2 PL 1 CL won (total 5 trophies won)
- 179 goals in 470 games
- Ballon D’or winner, FWA player of the year
Cantona
- 5 seasons at United
- 4 PL won (total 9 trophies won)
- 82 goals in 185 games
- PFA/FWA player of the year
Ronaldo
- 7-8 seasons at United
- 3 PL 1 CL won (total 9 trophies won)
- 139 goals in 309 games
- Ballon D’or winner, PFA/PL player of the year, Golden Shoe
I mean, are there ever a player in football history who has spent 7-8 years at a club winning every team trophies and individual awards there, but not considered as legend at the club?
Cruyff has done less as a player at Barca, but still considered a legend there.
But what he has done for us in the past is no less than legends like Best or Cantona has done for us throughout their career. Him being bigger legend elsewhere (for Real and Portugal) doesn’t change this fact.
George Best
- 11 seasons at United
- 2 PL 1 CL won (total 5 trophies won)
- 179 goals in 470 games
- Ballon D’or winner, FWA player of the year
Cantona
- 5 seasons at United
- 4 PL won (total 9 trophies won)
- 82 goals in 185 games
- PFA/FWA player of the year
Ronaldo
- 7-8 seasons at United
- 3 PL 1 CL won (total 9 trophies won)
- 139 goals in 309 games
- Ballon D’or winner, PFA/PL player of the year, Golden Shoe
I mean, are there ever a player in football history who has spent 7-8 years at a club winning every team trophies and individual awards there, but not considered as legend at the club?
Cruyff has done less as a player at Barca, but still considered a legend there.
You've posted variations of this multiple times.
A legendary status is not only about silverware and personal accolades. He has disrespected the club multiple times, in 2009 you could've argued he was young. But now he's just a big cnut.
Ji Sung Park, Evra and Vidic are bigger United legends than Ronaldo, just to name a few.
considering that 1/3 of those league titles was under conditions he considered to be slavery . I’ll say no he isn’t.
I am super ready for him to retire. Kinda gone through it all with him: annoyed at his show pony tricks when he first signed, then in awe of his ability, then disillusion when he left for the Madrid cnuts, then occasionally interested in his heroics especially against Messi, then total boredom, then unfeigned shock he was coming back and thinking we were getting a poisoned chalice of a player, and finally annoyance. Just feck off, Ronaldo. The headlines are always about you, your fecking ego needs its own dressing room. Be grateful we gave you a spot in the first team, do your job when called on, and shut the feck up in all other times.
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Still amused by those people annoyed that he wanted to play for the club he dreamed of playing at as a child and that he had the temerity to leave us... if every player stuck to their clubs, United wouldn't have been able to buy some of the greats they did!
So he didn't spend his whole career at United - boo hoo! That's no reason to hate him. Was he absolutely brilliant for us for a while? yes. is he still that player at 37? Of course not. But attempts to rewrite history are, if you ask me, rather petty
So he didn't spend his whole career at United - boo hoo! That's no reason to hate him. Was he absolutely brilliant for us for a while? yes. is he still that player at 37? Of course not. But attempts to rewrite history are, if you ask me, rather petty
He's not United legend. End of. Quality wise, he is up there, but his behavior is unacceptable.
Real Madrid wasn't Ronaldo's dream club, because Ronaldo is all about himself. Madrid was merely a tool in how to lift himself up to the top.
Real Madrid wasn't Ronaldo's dream club, because Ronaldo is all about himself. Madrid was merely a tool in how to lift himself up to the top.
Hes now tainted for me. But hes still a legend in my eyes. I remember those 8 years he was here and how brilliant he was… and the trophies.
Hows his mental health, must be bloody hard to accept , once being the best player in the world and then age creeps up on you. Hes battled age by maintaining his fitness levels but its clear he lost the sharpness and mega speed. Hes also had a shit load to deal with, his son died this year. How many would cope with that.
Hows his mental health, must be bloody hard to accept , once being the best player in the world and then age creeps up on you. Hes battled age by maintaining his fitness levels but its clear he lost the sharpness and mega speed. Hes also had a shit load to deal with, his son died this year. How many would cope with that.
He's not been there eight but six years in the first stint, stop manipulating the facts.
In his first three years he was having world class flashes while also being abysmal most of times. In summer of 2006 there was talk of offloading him due to Rooney World Cup incident.
Something clicked for him/them that summer though, van Nistelrooy got offloaded instead, and Ronaldo performed at world class level for next three seasons.
But in the summer of 2008 after winning Champions League, he was already looking for exit. So he was both fully commited and fully performing for only two seasons (2006/2007, 2007/2008).
How people are pushing the borders with number of seasons he's been there, he will soon turn into longest serving Manchester United player ever.
In his first three years he was having world class flashes while also being abysmal most of times. In summer of 2006 there was talk of offloading him due to Rooney World Cup incident.
Something clicked for him/them that summer though, van Nistelrooy got offloaded instead, and Ronaldo performed at world class level for next three seasons.
But in the summer of 2008 after winning Champions League, he was already looking for exit. So he was both fully commited and fully performing for only two seasons (2006/2007, 2007/2008).
How people are pushing the borders with number of seasons he's been there, he will soon turn into longest serving Manchester United player ever.
Well so that’s more of a sentimental reason then, which is understandable.
Legends are about sentiment perhaps even more than about winning. Ronaldo is a footballing legend, one of the all time greats, but no, he's not a Manchester United legend and no amount of spinning will make him one.
He obviously has not ruined his football legacy, but his United legacy for sure. I never called him a United legend and with his current behavior, his memories will be mixed
Ruined long time ago for his unprofessionalism at Madrid.
Well thats only your take. Let’s not kid yourself pretending you are representing the whole of many millions of United fans out there, what they see as legend could be very different from yours. Anyone contributing as much as him to our success/glory is a legend in my book
I actually do represent tens of milions of fans, just as you do, because options are binary in this case. He's either a legend or he isn't. But unilaterally, he's never going to be legend in terms of other all time greats. He will have those thinking he is up there, for sure, I do agree with you on that.
Ronaldo was supposed to be the Michael Jordan of football. He won 3 champ league in a row just like Jordan won 3 NBAs.
But all that changed when somehow Real Madrid also managed to win the CL without him. Plus the saga he created this season. He's still one of the best though.
But all that changed when somehow Real Madrid also managed to win the CL without him. Plus the saga he created this season. He's still one of the best though.
You are quite right looking at the information you gave, and its a very good point, but some clubs have a legend who has won little or nothing while at the club (Shearer at Newcastle ) but although I find it hard to put into words, for me a Legend is not just about the achievements that the team or even the squad achieved while Ronaldo ( or any ) player was at United.
I find it hard to explain that extra something that makes a legend in my eyes, but it's based on many emotions, and trophies and titles are a smaller part of that
Best was a legend to me, but I recall many moments where drink and Miss World(s) got in the way of Football.
Cantona was, he was only at United 5 seasons on your list, and he was missing for a long time because of his Kung Fu antics
Schmeichel was, but after he left his celebration while at City, dented that, doesn't really make sense, but that's how I felt at the time
There isn't a formula that makes someone achieve legendary status, if you ask 100 people what makes a legend, I imagine you would get 20-plus different explanations, we have ex-players who have a cabinet full of trophies, more than most at most clubs, great players for us, but still not thought of by many as legends
Good post, trophies don`t make legends it is far more than that. Shearer, Le Tissier, Gazza, Gerrard all legends but not serial winners.
Ronaldo has always been a selfish knob, but when you are winning the Ballon d'Or every year you can get away with it!
Nowadays he is just a knob.
His legacy is guaranteed and that can't be tarnished...but how he ends his career is important too and so far, he isn't doing a great job of that.
Nowadays he is just a knob.
His legacy is guaranteed and that can't be tarnished...but how he ends his career is important too and so far, he isn't doing a great job of that.
He ate something out of his pants. What the feck is wrong with him?
-Most club goals ever
-Most international goals ever
-Most CL goals ever
-Too many trophies to count, both individual and team honors
No, his legacy is intact.
Tom Brady is having a stinker this season and it won't tarnish his legacy. Jordan's stint with the Wizards at the end of his career didn't tarnish his legacy.
At least Ronaldo is still trying to do it in the best league in the world, while Messi plays on an all-star team in a farmer's league.
All of that being said doesn't change the reality that Ronaldo IS done at this level and it'd be best for all parties if he moved on in January.
-Most international goals ever
-Most CL goals ever
-Too many trophies to count, both individual and team honors
No, his legacy is intact.
Tom Brady is having a stinker this season and it won't tarnish his legacy. Jordan's stint with the Wizards at the end of his career didn't tarnish his legacy.
At least Ronaldo is still trying to do it in the best league in the world, while Messi plays on an all-star team in a farmer's league.
All of that being said doesn't change the reality that Ronaldo IS done at this level and it'd be best for all parties if he moved on in January.
No.
Yes.
Not sure his legacy is of legendary status anyway.
He did very well for us, no doubt about that. We helped turn him into a top player, which Real Madrid were the real beneficiaries of - it's not like we got him anywhere near his prime. Was always angling for a move as well.
He did very well for us, no doubt about that. We helped turn him into a top player, which Real Madrid were the real beneficiaries of - it's not like we got him anywhere near his prime. Was always angling for a move as well.
He that never ate skittles off his pants, let him first cast a stone(or a brick) at him.
If you follow sports long enough you will soon enough learn that traits that makes someone the best in the world — doesn’t necessarily transfers to the perfect individual when the same person doesn’t have the physical ability to back up a world class play or after their career.
The “legacy” of a player can never be ruined in my world, because nothing should be attached to it than what already is in the bank. People change. These are humans. Unique characters for good and bad.
And regarding Ronaldo, honestly, his legacy is probably better than then when he came back. He is facing some tremendous adversity, surely a bit of a life crisis, but he is still focusing on helping the younger players, obviously cares about his relationship with his teammates, and so forth. That isn’t a given.
The “legacy” of a player can never be ruined in my world, because nothing should be attached to it than what already is in the bank. People change. These are humans. Unique characters for good and bad.
And regarding Ronaldo, honestly, his legacy is probably better than then when he came back. He is facing some tremendous adversity, surely a bit of a life crisis, but he is still focusing on helping the younger players, obviously cares about his relationship with his teammates, and so forth. That isn’t a given.
And people still argue his actions are made more of than they should. Ronaldo once again coming across unnecessarily to create drama just because Neville said he’s not as good as he used to be. Such a sensitive soul.
Pathetic !
I'd be fine with it if Saha was the only person he greeted. But Jamie Redknapp instead of GNev? bang out of order.
He knows exactly what he's doing. He only went over there to spite Neville. "criticise me and you are out". SO petty.
Lets see you score then Ronaldo.
It’s just Ronaldo continuing to be a spoon. He’s clearly trying to make a point even though Neville said nothing wrong. He was perfectly happy to hug and embrace Neville when he blanked Carragher. He really needs to get over it and stop acting like a kid.
Carragher reaction on TT was funny.
He's blanked Neville ffs what a baby 
I cannot BELIEVE Ronaldo is behaving in exactly the way his entire personality and history would tell us to expect.
Winds me right up.
Winds me right up.
Not at all, he just reafirmed his legacy for me, being a manbaby ego driven selfish cnut.
If Ronaldo proves to be a big influence on Rashford and he gets lots of headed goals, then we need to thank him for that.
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