Has political correctness actually gone mad?

Literally the Principal Skinner meme… and at least two different Grampa Simpson memes.

Society overlapping your own person brand of progressivism as you age is how it’s supposed to work.

The hubris of famous old liberals to think progress peaked with them is as inevitable as the ever decreasing age of their wives.
 
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Ekkie Thump said:
In this longer version he does the joke then immediately provides his idea of a justification for doing it:

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The quality bit is the joke about the Jehovahs witnesses.

I swear half the people moaning about these kind of jokes never actually watch it. They just catch on to the outrage in the "liberal" media and start frothing at the mouth. They're as bad as the gammons moaning about immigration.
 
Quit yer moaning about such trivialities as hate crimes, there's a war going on you woke snowflakes.

The Ukraine war is a wake-up call to woke Britain – we can no longer obsess over micro-aggressions amid real aggression

Will a generation brought up on “microaggressions” and “hate crimes” experience any jolt now that our continent is seeing real aggression and actual war crimes?

Will we finally get our damn priorities in order? You might certainly hope so.
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Pickle85 said:
If you don't laugh, you'll cry.
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It actually gets worse, saying the war is a good advert for nationalism...er, yeah, not the nasty Russian sort.

But the war might also remind us of the need for nationalism. Of good, decent faith in the nation state, of the kind that has distinguished Britain throughout history...Nationalism certainly can turn ugly, as Putin is showing us.
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fergieisold said:
The quality bit is the joke about the Jehovahs witnesses.

I swear half the people moaning about these kind of jokes never actually watch it. They just catch on to the outrage in the "liberal" media and start frothing at the mouth. They're as bad as the gammons moaning about immigration.
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I don't know how people could get offended by that joke. I mean he explains the whole thing including highlighting that gypsies were subject to mass murdered, which was the point of the joke (the bit that offended). Surely nobody who watched the clip could think for a moment that he was glorifying or diminishing the seriousness of the holocaust? Odd that people got offended at the gypsies reference but were quite happy with the idea of JW's inviting themselves in for a shower?
 
Wibble said:
I don't know how people could get offended by that joke. I mean he explains the whole thing including highlighting that gypsies were subject to mass murdered, which was the point of the joke (the bit that offended). Surely nobody who watched the clip could think for a moment that he was glorifying or diminishing the seriousness of the holocaust? Odd that people got offended at the gypsies reference but were quite happy with the idea of JW's inviting themselves in for a shower?
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If we were going to look for things to be offended by I'd have thought the JW bit would have been more of a target for sure!
 
Yes, it has.

With the case of Lia Thomas, it is being framed as a 'transphobia' issue, but really it's a question of ensuring a level playing field, particularly for natal females.

Because anyone can see from looking at Lia Thomas that she has evident physical advantages over her competitors, on point reactions to the story evoke 'The Emperor's New Clothes': people have to forego what their common sense is telling them in order to strike the right note.

But anyone who has taken part in strength or endurance-related sports will know that having athletes who went through puberty as biological males compete alongside females makes no sense at all. Anyone who even lifts weights at the gym will know that next to an average female, what they lift, row, and press is far in excess of females, even though there will be a number of females (usually active in competitive weight-lifting) who can go higher than them. In the same way that guys above 180 cm will deadlift more than guys below 180 cm, there are innate advantages to simply being born a male, or being tall, or simply having genetics conducive to lifting.

Yes, Lia Thomas has had to take various hormones in order to transition but the fact is that it is impossible to quantify to what extent that has diminished the advantage that she would have held at the outset of her transition.

It should not be framed as an issue relating to transphobia (even though transphobes do get involved in the debate) but it's a simple question of what biological males and females are, which also affects males within the group itself.
 
LDUred said:
Yes, it has.

With the case of Lia Thomas, it is being framed as a 'transphobia' issue, but really it's a question of ensuring a level playing field, particularly for natal females.

Because anyone can see from looking at Lia Thomas that she has evident physical advantages over her competitors, on point reactions to the story evoke 'The Emperor's New Clothes': people have to forego what their common sense is telling them in order to strike the right note.

But anyone who has taken part in strength or endurance-related sports will know that having athletes who went through puberty as biological males compete alongside females makes no sense at all. Anyone who even lifts weights at the gym will know that next to an average female, what they lift, row, and press is far in excess of females, even though there will be a number of females (usually active in competitive weight-lifting) who can go higher than them. In the same way that guys above 180 cm will deadlift more than guys below 180 cm, there are innate advantages to simply being born a male, or being tall, or simply having genetics conducive to lifting.

Yes, Lia Thomas has had to take various hormones in order to transition but the fact is that it is impossible to quantify to what extent that has diminished the advantage that she would have held at the outset of her transition.

It should not be framed as an issue relating to transphobia (even though transphobes do get involved in the debate) but it's a simple question of genetics, which also affects males within the group itself.
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Shouldn’t this post be in the Transgender Athletes thread?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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I've never read anything about all this to have any kind of cultured opinion.

When people got upset at white girls dressing as Pokohontis for Halloween I thought that made some sense. Most people in the US can't tell one tribe of Native Americans from another, and have some generic idea of what all "Indians" are like. The cheap plastic mass produced costume, destined to be thrown away, seemed symbolic of the lack of respect in evidence.

Should all the white people in the US abandon all cultural contributions of black people?

Am I wrong to wear a flat brim hat?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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Being told that genital preference is a form of discrimination seems to be something now. Increasingly gay people are accused of bigotry or transphobia if they refuse to accept sexual attraction to those who have transitioned into the appropriate gender
 
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stw2022 said:
Being told that genital preference is a form of discrimination seems to be something now. Increasingly gay people are accused of bigotry or transphobia if they refuse to accept sexual attraction to those who have transitioned into the appropriate gender
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Are they though
 
stw2022 said:
Being told that genital preference is a form of discrimination seems to be something now. Increasingly gay people are accused of bigotry or transphobia if they refuse to accept sexual attraction to those who have transitioned into the appropriate gender
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How do you mean? I don't quite follow the 'refuse to accept sexual attraction those who've transitioned' part?
 
stw2022 said:
Being told that genital preference is a form of discrimination seems to be something now. Increasingly gay people are accused of bigotry or transphobia if they refuse to accept sexual attraction to those who have transitioned into the appropriate gender
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From what I've seen it's a minority view and tbh I've seen a lot more people complain about it than actually saying it I the first place.
 
VorZakone said:
What is the article wrong about?
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It is the Mail. They make it out as if children are being forced to watch as opposed to the makers saying what minimum age they would reccomend based on guidelines. After that parents can choose. Typical Mail beat up.
 
stw2022 said:
Being told that genital preference is a form of discrimination seems to be something now. Increasingly gay people are accused of bigotry or transphobia if they refuse to accept sexual attraction to those who have transitioned into the appropriate gender
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I’m not sure it’s happening on any sort of meaningful scale but genuinely the best way to deal with freaks like that (if they actually exist) would be to just tell them ‘alright I’m a transphobic bigot…now feck off!’
 
Wibble said:
It is the Mail. They make it out as if children are being forced to watch as opposed to the makers saying what minimum age they would reccomend based on guidelines. After that parents can choose. Typical Mail beat up.
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They're not though. The article specifically mentions that the show's title is deliberately provocative so that people know what's gonna happen.

It's the Mail. They know their audience, they know this article will create outrage. But they're not making it out as if kids are forced.
 
VorZakone said:
They're not though. The article specifically mentions that the show's title is deliberately provocative so that people know what's gonna happen.

It's the Mail. They know their audience, they know this article will create outrage. But they're not making it out as if kids are forced.
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BenCooperisaGod wrote: 'If my kids teacher got naked to teach them about sexual pleasure, I would have a few choice words and be onto OFSTED faster than you could say where's my cod piece.
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Other Mumsnet users branded it 'grooming in plain sight' and called for the police to intervene and picket lines to be set up.
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:lol:

Or, you know, maybe don't bring your kids then?
 
stw2022 said:
Yes. You only have to look at how Stonewall itself are increasingly critical of the term ‘same-sex attraction’.
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Because a lot of lesbian, gay and bi people are in fact attracted to people who have transitioned, so "same-sex attraction" could be a bit of a misnomer.

In my experience, what's being labeled transphobic is categorically stating that you would never be attracted to a trans person. You don't really know that, do you?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Lesbians being accused of transphobia if they balk at cock. I’ve no idea if this is a real issue or not but people who argue about this shit on Twitter are obsessed by it.
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Ah ok, I suspected it might be that but it sounded too ridiculous a thing to accuse someone of bigotry over. Plus the sentence was unclear.

I guess if you're a lesbian who falls for a trans woman who still has a schlong it must be 'confusing' as Alan Partridge put it.
 
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