You are really strange.
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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You are really strange.
You didn't know before you Googled it?
Of course, just like @Eendracht maakt macht knew perfectly well that bitch technically means female dog. He didn't find out that people normally use it as a term for female dog, though, which is my point, he's using a technical and practically archaic definition and pretending that he figured something out by using Google.
And you're a troll.
Or you can use google in a smart way. Also I didn’t pretend I found out anything. I already knew a bitch was a female dog. Everybody in the Netherlands does.
So if you walked down that street, a random joe, what would you think?
Speaking of meanings, is "bum me a fag" still an acceptable way to ask for a cigarette?
No way!
There is a huge black dog underneath it so I would assume it’s about the dog.
The oldest pub in England is called the cock isn’t it? That’s another word with a meaning which has become overtaken by something else.
What if one just saw it in text form? Would one automatically go right to a description of a dog?
It’s probably best to just change the name.
Is it called ‘The Black Cock?’
To me, ‘black’ is equally the issue in the article above.
And nothing negative would come to your mind reading that expression?
I couldn’t care less if they changed the name. Just seems like it’s extremely sensitive to be offended by it.
When you see the name and you are at first offended by it, which is possible and then you find out the origin then you go ‘oh nothing to see here, let’s move on’ I’d assume.
I’d hope not
I don’t really like dogs so not a good question to ask me.
Walking by the restaurant, I can get what you’re saying.
But voluminous amounts more people will read it & potentially be offended.
Best just to change the name.
OK, but do you not accept that expression will immediately make many people think about an abusive expression some use to offend black people?
They might know but in the common vernacular it's more of an insult towards women. English is a unique language because we don't often have gender based nominative case.
Though to be fair, pubs are often named after animals and black ones especially.
Yes, I already said that a couple of times but when you find out the real reason and you know it’s not meant offensive in any way surely the ‘hurt’ will quickly go away. I’d even think most people will even laugh about their first assumption then.
Surely this doesn’t leave some scar in peoples live are something like that. As I said as far is I’m concerned they change the name I just don’t believe this name impacts anyone negatively in any significant way.
You say "when you find the real reason", but if you're just browsing online or checking a quick tourism guide or whatever... how many people will go to the work of finding the origins of the name? Not many I'd say.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nded-Greene-King-feared-punters-offended.html
Sorry about The Daily Mail, but is this real? Surely nobody would be offended by a pub named after a dog?
i could see loads of people being offended by that actually
surprised they didn't change it ages ago
If I was offended, really actually offended by a name of something. I would want to find out what's going on.
And you obviously are extremely offended, because why would you ever react to something or want something to change if you aren't offended?
OK, I think you're just being stubborn to be honest.
No I really just can't see how the name of this pub negatively impacts someone's life in any significant way. It doesn't effect my life in anyway neither so I'm fine with whatever name they choose. They can call it Eendracht Maakt Macht is a cnut as far as I'm concerned.
So you'd be ok with "the faggot pub" because 200 years ago it was founded by a bloke who loved carrying bundles of sticks? I mean c'mon.
You'd a raise a fecking eyebrow though, eh?
Depends on the circumstances. As you've put it now. No. As hobbers said if you see the pub you think it's about the dog right? That isn't the case with faggot I think.
I gave my harry potter example, I didn't know a bitch was a female dog until my mid-20s, so if I had visited that town at that age I wouldn't have made the connection.
Doubt that's true to be honest. I think most people would automatically go between absurdity and having a small giggle and it's not because they're thinking about a dog.
Language evolves, I don't think I have ever in my life said the word "bitch" in reference to a dog.
but like-wise, there wouldn't be many that wouldn't cringe a little bit when they first see it..
and then there'd be non-native speakers who get confused af
there was a cheese called 'coon' in Australia and I'm pretty sure nobody thought it was named after the racial slur, but they still changed it because yeah why wouldn't you change that
The dictionary definition for it as a noun is a female dog but if you say it's used more as a verb and that has pretty much taken over what people think of when they see the word.
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It ain't used more as a verb, not even close. But I don't want to derail this thread.
No. No vet (or dog groomer or that matter) that I ever encountered ever called our female dog a "bitch.'" It's simply not used that way in English anymore and has not been for over 40-50 years. It is, however, quite frequently used as an insult and derogatory term, so it's hardly overly sensitive or "PC gone mad" to change the name of the pub given the qualifier of "black" in front of it which adds to the offensiveness.
Definitely used more as a verb than as a way to refer to a female dog these days though.
I've gotta say, they call them bitches for a reason. That's for sure.
Is "to bitch about someone" more common than calling someone a bitch or a son of a bitch? Maybe. I'd use the former potentially but never the latter unless quoting Aliens or pretending to be a cowboy. Nonetheless: both are negative and not descriptors for female dogs.
There are a few- https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaur...lack_Cock_Inn-South_Molton_Devon_England.html
There is a pub called 'Ye Olde Black Boy' in Hull's old town and some moaned when it changed it's sign from a black kid to something more neutral.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/old-black-boy-pub-hull-3402969
Pub names that have not aged well are a very weird thing to try and cling on to.