I'm glad you didn't respond properly because I really couldn't be arsed with a daft internet argument
We can agree to disagree
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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I'm glad you didn't respond properly because I really couldn't be arsed with a daft internet argument
We can agree to disagree
Yes it's early here and I haven't absorbed enough coffee yet.I'm glad you didn't respond properly because I really couldn't be arsed with a daft internet argument
We can agree to disagree
I'd have a bit more sympathy for the whole cultural appropriation thing if it seemed like it had been a genuine concern for a long time. I could certainly stand to be corrected, but it just feels like it being such a big issue has come quite suddenly out of nowhere. It's especially confusing when considering how it is (has become?) seemingly perfectly acceptable for white people to appropriate hip hop music and culture. Why was that allowed but dreadlocks aren't?
What's the issue?
Why is appropriation a bad thing? Even if it's done in vain, it's still not actually harming anything other than someone's pretend feelings.
The world is fecked
The world is fecked
FFS
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Evidently, Imitation is no longer among the highest form of flattery, even when people just want to have fun.
I wonder if universities will apply the same logic to St Patrick's Day next year?
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Stupid question.... What is culture? And how long would it take for a new phenomenon to be considered culturally significant within a community?
No because of the power imbalance between the Irish and The Mexicans. Irish Whiskey > Tequilla
Anything that gets St Patrick's Day cancelled in Australia can only be a good thing.
I honestly wonder where this stuff is going on. I'm in a US university (admittedly not an undergrad and not in the humanities) and have seen anything quite like this.
My friend told me this happened recently (at another US university):
There's a wall where students are allowed to paint very night. There was a painting in memory of 2 students from that univ who had recently died. It was painted over one night with Trump 2016. People got annoyed. Someone painted and made it Drumpf 2016 during the next morning.
There was a debate about whether it was ok to leave that slogan there (one could claim that hispanics were targeted) or whether changing it to Drumpf (during the day, when painting is not allowed ) was ok, since it violated free speech.
It's childish. It's also a terribly far cry from the nonsense being described above. I'm 100% sure these stories are made when a right-wing paper looks through every incident and every line of every report waiting to find the most pathetic ones possible before headlining them.
My friend told me this happened recently (at another US university):
There's a wall where students are allowed to paint very night. There was a painting in memory of 2 students from that univ who had recently died. It was painted over one night with Trump 2016. People got annoyed. Someone painted and made it Drumpf 2016 during the next morning.
There was a debate about whether it was ok to leave that slogan there (one could claim that hispanics were targeted) or whether changing it to Drumpf (during the day, when painting is not allowed ) was ok, since it violated free speech.
It's childish. It's also a terribly far cry from the nonsense being described above. I'm 100% sure these stories are made when a right-wing paper looks through every incident and every line of every report waiting to find the most pathetic ones possible before headlining them.
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I've attended three universities in the last 10 years and I haven't seen a sniff of any of this. So I'm unsure if the media is just successfully digging out every whackjob they can, or whether it's something only affecting British and American universities.
I only ever become aware of these incidents because of people complaining about them.
I wonder how much this stuff has to do with the litigious nature of the US. Universities just doing their due diligence in the case some wackjob decides to sue them.
Quite possibly both of those things. Having said that, it's certain types of people in certain types of societies that are involved with this kind of stuff. You could easily spend 3 years at university and be totally unaware of all the societies going on there
Yeah this is what I think, I've never been heavily involved in campus politics so I just don't know how good or bad it is.
I know what you're saying. I love the idea of personal identity but if we truly want a multicultural society - which I think we should embrace completely - then we all need to accept that the unique parts of our own heritage and culture should be accessible to everyone.
I had a lecturer who once asked us "what is black music"? At the time I just thought he was being a pendantic arsehole because no matter how we responded he would just keep saying "yeah, but what is black music?" but he had a point. Are Led Zep and the Stones "black music" because of their influence/sometimes theft of blues music? When they became popular in their own right did they stop becoming influenced by "black music"? And what the feck is "black music" to begin with? Am I not allowed to listen to Stevie Wonder now, because that would be a problem since he's my favourite artist since Michael Jackson. And then that brings another point to the argument...
Yeah but what is black music?
Dunno lol
A crappy 'feminist' on my Facebook keeps posting stupid stuff like this.....
As if these two completely separate situations in different places and under different circumstances prove anything.
I've not seen her mentioning how women consistently get off banging school kids but men get sent down (as they both should).
The same person once posted about how much of an injustice it is that condoms get handed out to school boys at walk in centres but tampons don't get handed out to girls, completely ignoring that girls can also pick up condoms and that it benefits both parties anyway (plus the obvious fact that not having loads of unwanted babies around is a good thing).
Don't these people see that they're doing more harm than good? It's like they've been brainwashed by Tumblr.
As if these two completely separate situations in different places and under different circumstances prove anything.
I've not seen her mentioning how women consistently get off banging school kids but men get sent down (as they both should).
The same person once posted about how much of an injustice it is that condoms get handed out to school boys at walk in centres but tampons don't get handed out to girls, completely ignoring that girls can also pick up condoms and that it benefits both parties anyway (plus the obvious fact that not having loads of unwanted babies around is a good thing).
Don't these people see that they're doing more harm than good? It's like they've been brainwashed by Tumblr.
Ask what her about it.
Men get longer sentences and have a slightly higher rate of imprisonment, but it's not like the women get off scot-free as you're suggesting.
Neither of these things are true. I don't know about the tumblring or whatever, but it's still unlikely.
VeevaVee once posted complaining about the opinions of a girl he knows. What a fool, can't he see he just makes all men look petty and silly?*
*Exaggeration, but it's effectively what you're doing there.
*Exaggeration, but it's effectively what you're doing there.
There's no way I'm talking to her. I made the mistake of (actually very nicely) pointing out her condom argument made no sense.
They get off a good deal more in every way. That's not what I was referring to though. It was how these types consistently pick and choose their issues to make things seem worse than they are.
And yeah, this new wave of not-very-thought-through feminism and young women posting buzzwords on every form of social media has come around because of Tumblr. I fully believe they harm true feminism (aka equality and acceptance) because they're creating hate and a bigger divide.
Not really. You can't see the idiocy in her condom/tampon argument?
Between who and who are they creating a divide? Are you suddenly going to stop supporting equal rights because a handful of women post things you perceive as being stupid? Because if that's the litmus test we're throwing every ideology under the bus.
Sure, but it doesn't rile me up. Just makes me wonder why you give a shit?
I'm not sure your win on the condom/tampon dispute (will it ever end?!) is quite as comprehensive as you think.
And why are you expecting all women to be really clever and have thought out arguments about everything? Do men not do and say stupid things all the time? It's just a part of life, not everyone can be Simone De Beauvoir and Jean-Paul Sartre. Vast majority of us aren't even French.
They create hate and arguments all over the show without actually attempting to solve any real issues. Between men, women, feminists who are embarrassed.
What makes you think it's riling me up? Just wanted to moan about it.
How so?
And if tampons are as necessary as razors (I guess you already know about that whole thing, and they are), then is someone going to stand up for all the lads starting shaving at that age (which also wouldn't make much sense)?
Neither of these things have anything to do with preventing teen pregnancy for both parties though. It's pretty obvious why the government/an organisation would pay to help with that, but not with the other things.
What? You're putting words into my mouth.
Yeah, they do, and I moan about that too. But right now I'm having a moan at this.
News just in - Silva in agreement but starts argument over it anyway
..Do they though? Do they really?
Take it to the "little things" thread then!
Seriously, do you not realise you can place any ideology where you wrote feminism? But instead, you're focusing on this.
I can honestly say I haven't. I've got about 5 people who's posts show up on my facebook, and none of them ever post anything.
Jealous of yours and Olly's Facebook situation
Scientists say it's now possible to unfriend someone on Facebook.
Or unfollow if you're likely to see them in real life and don't want to deal with "the feck you unfriend me for, you twat"
Apart from her, who I find entertaining in a kind of sadistic way, it's mostly in the comments of pages that post articles like Vice and the like. Some of the stuff I want to see (although Vice is pretty terrible these days).