Don't forget the candy.
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
- Thread starter Pogue Mahone
- Start date
Isn't this conflating sponsorship deals with prize money anyway? Tennis players can still leverage their popularity with those.
Tennis is one of the few sports where the female game is about as well known as the men's. Equal prize money seems fair enough.
Tennis is one of the few sports where the female game is about as well known as the men's. Equal prize money seems fair enough.
I assure you, I would've made this point, at Rooney's peak. He's always been overpaid, with regard to ability.
As for the second point, I think you sound naive to the realities of female sport. She is good tennis player, she is a bit pretty. She would not have made a career in modelling without her tennis, she would not be talked about as much for tennis without her looks. She's an example of what David Beckham would've been, were he a girl.
We'll have to agree to disagree on Rooney.
As for the bold, of course, but that's not a sexism issue - the exact same thing happened with Beckham long after he'd ceased being the top class player he used to be. His image and looks kept the gravy train running long after it otherwise would have.
Ronaldo gets far more endorsements than he would if he looked like Quasimodo. Sex sells for both genders.
Oh, I would argue this is sexism on both sides.
Our David makes his cash being all 'metrosexual' yet being good at kicking a ball, whilst Maria makes hers being the slim, dainty girl, who can hit a ball.
Perhaps I'm being stupid, but given the same thing happens with both males and females where is the sexism?
In my view, the fact that in both cases they are profiting from an idealised view of their gender that they happen to conform to.
Yeah I listen to Heart FM's female DJ's going on about Beckham in his underwear advert on a weekly basis. Can you imagine what would happen if one of their male counterparts did the same about Sharapova in here underwear while foaming at the mouth in the same way?
That's not sexist seeing as you've already acknowledged it happens to both genders.
Perhaps it's uglyist.
We clearly have different views regards sexism. I don't aim for a world where we are all treated equally, because of our sex. I aim for one where we are treated fairly.
She should be less pervy. As should men. 'Be less pervy' when speaking publicly is a thing I really would recommend.
Aesthetically Sharapova does make better copy but I am not sure you can describe a 6ft 2 woman as 'dainty'.
Whilst race plays a factor to a degree I think that you have to accept that Serena isn't especially likeable as a character. She is a charisma vacuum, has always seemed somewhat disinterested in tennis, came up with the most ludicrous excuse for missing a dope test in the history of sport and once threatened to ram her tennis racket down an officials throat.
Yes but then Federer had the personality of a doormat and he did okay.
Serena does OK in fairness!
Fed is a really nice guy and always impeccably behaved and respectful. He also has a much more attractive game than Serena. Another strike against Serena is her style (boring baseline power game) and her total dominance of the woman's game (always a turn off in any sport).
I reckon I could have a swift tug over Federers backhand.
Wouldn't struggle watching Serena, if this is the gauge...
Have to agree with Nick- judging people on looks isn't sexist, more beauty-ist. Same the world over since the dawn of time. In your equal utopia, the lasses in porn mags would be fat mingers with a hairy top lip.
Not really. In my utopia, the lasses in porn mags would be as common as pretty boys in porn mags. Whilst athletes would be judged on their ability at sport.
Last thing anyone needs is the likes of Luke Chadwick's mug plastered all over the place.
I assure you, I want that no more than any other!
Don't mind them, Luke.
A man wouldn't do it and would probably be fired if he did but women seem to get away with it.
That would be because we are still adjusting to a world where women sometimes express their sexuality.
Nope. What I am saying is if a particular group playing a sport generates more revenue than another group then it's clear that they will be paid more. Its pretty much a product of capatalism. You are the one mentioning gender and race in an attempt to find offence in what I'm saying.
Yeah, you can't really demand equal sponsorship deals since that will all depend upon each individual players status with the general public, I think in the US advertising business they call it the "Q rating" or something like that.
They are though mate. Using your tennis example, Serena would win the same prize money as Sharapova for winning a tournament. If Sharapova got paid more prize money because she's pretty then I'd agree that somethings very wrong. I think it's universally accepted that a Serena is the best female tennis player in the world.
2015 Top 12 highest paid tennis players according to Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mli45fdmld/1-roger-federer/
Starts with Federer of course. Sharapova is the top earning female with a large set of international endorsement deals.
http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mli45fdmld/1-roger-federer/
Starts with Federer of course. Sharapova is the top earning female with a large set of international endorsement deals.
I can imagine it pissed off other players when Kournikova was earning millions from endorsements, but actually winning sod all. Such is life though- she was stunning.
We need Handicapper General.
But those two genders aren't the only genders. Actually, I can see there being an debate in the near future with people who don't identify as either male or female becoming more prominent in sport - we'll be having a similar discussion about equality in sport.
On the subject of the tennis debacle. Why are we arguing about equal pay (which should of course be the case for all work) when we're talking about prize money? Or has that already been talked about?
Last edited:
How far do you take 'equal pay' in all work? If a woman out performs a man in the board room then surely she should earn more?
Male tennis players attract significantly more viewers and thus generate more revenue. This is because they are vastly superior tennis players and are better to watch. Why should the female tennis players get as much prize money as them?
You could abolish gender segregation in tennis if you really want equality but of course then female tennis players wouldn't earn very much at all.
Alternatively you could allow the men's tour and the women's to manage their own commercial rights i.e. television and advertising rights but of course then the women would be earning a lot less again.
It is fine if you believe in some sort of communist type remuneration system where a labourer earns as much as a virtuoso violin player but I don't see how equally shared prize money between the genders in tennis fits into the capitalist society in which we live. I always thought that modern feminists wanted a fair crack of the whip within that system, which is fair enough.
Don't get me wrong I won't lose any sleep over this issue but the arguments you here from the pro equal prize money side don't seem to be based in any sort of real logic. More that they are just conforming to a wider social narrative of gender equality.
You must remember this debacle.
Is she really a HE? Women's 800m runner shrugs off gender storm to take gold
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-World-Championship-race.html#ixzz44JWJYK6R
Going by the amount of racist idiots spouting shit on facebook these days, no. No it has not.
What about that Chris Cyborg? She looks like she might be borderline these days. Lot of suspicion that she has done it to herself with PEDS!
So when a woman does it she's expressing her sexuality and okay but when a man does it he's objectifying the woman and wrong.
Men do, and have been doing it unfettered for decades. Suggestively ogling fit sports women hasn't just been an accepted part of sport since about the 60s, it was pretty much the entire basis of the whole laddish FHM culture of the 90s and 00s...i.e very, very recently.
I love the idea that just because we've started making very small and very recent strides towards making it taboo, the world is now some completely different, new, scary place where penguins dance on ceilings, men live in cages and women can get away with literally ANYTHING!!
God bless Jeremy Clarkson for being the only straight white man left alive.
Last edited:
I long for the day penguins dance on ceilings.
I'm sure it did piss them off but she sure knew how to scratch her ass! But she was never regarded as a great tennis player and only made more money outside of the sport. So in terms of tennis, she was judged by her ability or lack there of.