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How to answer critics 101:
Score a hattrick the very next game. Good on ya, Tony!
Score a hattrick the very next game. Good on ya, Tony!
I think a big middle finger has to go to LvG and Jose for completely sidelining him, either by playing him out of position, giving his shirt number to someone else or buying some fancy toy like Falcao, Sanchez and Lukaku who all flopped. Even the signing of Ibra was a plaster on a gunshot wound.
I’d say my opinion will be proven correct by the end of the season. Already on 19 (all comps).It’s strange to see the negativity for Martial in this thread seeing that post-Rashford injury he carried us through the great form we had alongside Bruno.
His link up with Fernandes looks great and I feel like as the season went on he grew more into the role and took on responsibility.
He has improved his heading and hold up play this season, and has switched up his finishing with low snap shots to the near post which keepers don’t expect from Martial, (he whips it across goal normally) maybe something he learned from Greenwood.
He has also improved his left foot shooting too. If the season carried on - he would’ve broken 20 goals easily. I have faith in him.
It's not an "of course". It's not uncommon to see Martial wandering around outside the box even when the team was high up the pitch in previous matches. Look I don't want to be mean or critical, he's enjoyed a great night and I'm not ruining it, just hope he could maintain his form and continue to prove himself to be good enough as our long term no. 9.The reason we're able to build up that high up the pitch and have AWB on the touchline is because of the interplay of the forwards. Of course when the team is that high up he'll be in the box as a clinical striker.
With James as a right footer hugging the touchline, it's hard to even build up the play, as the forwards are too far apart. In addition, AWB doesn't have enough space to get forward so we can overload the box.
Mate LVG is the reason we are playing 3 at the back Martial false 9 and Rashford out left.
It was going to always happen, LVG supporters were talking about the future 3 at the back formation and foundation since the guy he was here.
He’s never had consistent supply behind him.I still don’t think he has the consistency or the overall hold-up play to be a true number 9, but I am very happy to be proven wrong on this one.
I hope he goes from strength to strength but am not going to change my opinion on the basis of one great performance.
Am delighted for him though, love how quick his feet are. 3rd goal was Henry-esque.
Filth, I tell ya! FILTH!!!!It’s so nice to be able to say I told you so...
First United player to score a hattrick since RVP in 2013.
Also that last goal was pure filth!
He’s never had consistent supply behind him.
Give him someone good to play off and watch him fly!
LVG did move Martial to the left in the second half of the season, but he was still arguably our main man in attack. I don't remember it making too much of a difference to his performances.Oh come on LVG dumped that formation in his first season itself and Martial was also moved to left . LVG has a weird cult following on here with guys giving credit to him for things which even he wouldn't claim credit for.
He doesn’t lack the consistency he lacks the service. He’s got one of the best XG in the PL he just hasn’t had anyone to play off.I like him but I admit that he lacks the consistency needed at the level we aim to compete at. However, in terms of priority, improving on him is the thing I would do after signing a Right Winger, DM (replacement, competition or understudy to Matic) and a more dominant CB to partner Maguire. We can go into next season with him as No. 9.
My contention was LVG never had intent to play Martial as false 9 or this is 3 at the back theory which some posters seems to regularly bring up He settled on basic 4231 formation and we hardly played 3 at back after his first season.LVG did move Martial to the left in the second half of the season, but he was still arguably our main man in attack. I don't remember it making too much of a difference to his performances.
Mourinho is the one who came in and screwed him around.
Oh come on LVG dumped that formation in his first season itself and Martial was also moved to left . LVG has a weird cult following on here with guys giving credit to him for things which even he wouldn't claim credit for.
How to answer critics 101:
Score a hattrick the very next game. Good on ya, Tony!
Rewriting history much Martial started as a striker and was doing well before he got injured ,which gave Rashford a chance where he did well combined with Depay's failure on the left Martial was moved there not because Martial didn't adapt. Blind was bought as a defensive midfielder and was converted to Cb ,LVG had full freedom to buy players for whatever formation he wanted to play but after his half a season he dumped this 3 at back and played 4231 for most of his second season and you are claiming he was working towards this mythical 3 at the back formation for his third that's some reach my friend. And Mourinho occasionally playing 3 at the formation also being part of that plan that's some serious mental gymnastics .That's because the players didnt adapt. Even mourinho was using 3 at the back vs ajax.
The reason Martial played out left on the second season is because Rashford broke through in the middle & Martial hadn't adapted to centre and delay was not doing well on the left. Third season literally not a chance would have Martial had played left with Rashford out centre - it was always going to be flipped.
You remember posters like Kinderbueno guy saying an ex United player will come in a couple of years and play three at the back nearly a 6 years ago?
Looks like that's happening.
And yet it's the LVG cult following who understand the importance of the false CB like Matic played today in a back 3 (how Blind would have eventually been used not as a LCB) or how Martial needs to be played as a false 9 with inverted forwards left footed and right footed making runs off him - whilst everyone was going crazy for players like Zlatan Ibrahimovic and stuff.
I think theres good managers at the clubs post SAF- LVG was definitely one of them, if you understood what he was building on in his first season and on to his third seasons with how we played right at the end of the second season when it all started to come better - then you will realise why Giggs and Rooney talked so highly about LVG's tactical ability and that was only going to leave something behind at United.
Rewriting history much Martial started as a striker and was doing well before he got injured ,which gave Rashford a chance where he did well combined with Depay's failure on the left Martial was moved there not because Martial didn't adapt. Blind was bought as a defensive midfielder and was converted to Cb ,LVG had full freedom to buy players for whatever formation he wanted to play but after his half a season he dumped this 3 at back and played 4231 for most of his second season and you are claiming he was working towards this mythical 3 at the back formation for his third that's some reach my friend. And Mourinho occasionally playing 3 at the formation also being part of that plan that's some serious mental gymnastics .
Oh come on LVG dumped that formation in his first season itself and Martial was also moved to left . LVG has a weird cult following on here with guys giving credit to him for things which even he wouldn't claim credit for.
Again, you believe what you want to believe- but I was one of the only people on this whole forum who could pick out what formation United were going to play like today way before it happened and it was because LVG did help us even though he wasnt perfect in the transfers.
You literally see Shaw playing at LCB I'm a back 3 in games and you think he had no influence. Yeah please.
I'm literally the only person in the whole forum who sussed out the false 9 of Martial and false CB of Matic before it was even played & soon as I bring up LVG's name the haters start coming out. LVG had a tactical influence at the club & I can see that you cant see it, though I can prove I can see it due to literally all my tactical choices have been accurate - how we need a left footed cutting RW, not Daniel james to make Martial as a false 9 work and how Rashford was better our left as a forward playing at angles than as a CF than the people who wanted Martial as a LW. Yum? Then the 3CB's with the false CDM/CB is just starting mate - your hate for LVG doesnt blind you because you never saw the tactics in the first place.
Depay wouldnt have been too bad for us as a false 9 would he? DI maria the left footed RW? He talked about needing creativity which only got sorted now under Ole when we finally got Bruno Fernandes and Pogba in the same team. Blind the false CB playing from CDM hell I bet even Schneiderlin for being so crap could do it one day if he was anything decent, but hes shit.
Martial is a great false 9 anyway and I hope he continues under the right system. I'm really happy that Ole has managed to put the right system out today which has been building up under the club for alot longer than people realise.
Check the europa league final vs Ajax.
I honestly cringe whenever I see some still defending LVG and trying to rewrite history to make him or his last season at the club look any better.
Carrick used to do it. Scholes did it seen Keane do it too. But LVG invented it and the poster is a geniusWhat's worse is seemingly attributing things to him which don't even exist this false cb/cdm theory , what's new in CDM dropping deeper alongside Cb's when full backs bomb forward or one fullback staying back while other attacking Mourinho's team have always done that heck most managers do that ,some posters have this innate urge to sound so knowledgeable that they forget they are just describing basic things while sounding fanciful.
Carrick used to do it. Scholes did it seen Keane do it too. But LVG invented it and the poster is a genius
Only pulling this up because I’m interested to see what you think after today, that’s 8 in 10 all comps for him now I think. Like I said we’ve been a different team since before lockdown and Martial’s played a huge part in thatabsolutely right... except for almost everything!
Liverpool goal scored: 66, City 71, Leicester 59, Chelsea 51, United 45! even Spurs below us have scored more.
Martial has (I think) a grand total of 11 league goals. So who is talking bollocks?
It’s so nice to be able to say I told you so...
First United player to score a hattrick since RVP in 2013.
Also that last goal was pure filth!
His hold up play was superb today. Complete performance. If he can perform like that across a whole season, he'll be immense. It's all about consistency. We see he's good enough. We just need to see him do it often enough now.I still don’t think he has the consistency or the overall hold-up play to be a true number 9, but I am very happy to be proven wrong on this one.
I hope he goes from strength to strength but am not going to change my opinion on the basis of one great performance.
Am delighted for him though, love how quick his feet are. 3rd goal was Henry-esque.