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So let me get this straight, we are interested in Maguire in summer of 2018. The briefing is he's no better than other CBs at the club and would be too expensive. Come to 2019, he's our primary target when his price as actually went up?

Its not as if Maguire had an exceptional season. So someone has made the wrong judgment on this signing last year? Yet, they are still involved with us. Why don't people see this as a major issue wrt to our structure? What are these scouts and Woodward up to?
 
Has Fred been played at CDM or is he more a box to box?
He played holding midfield against Wolves if I remember right. He played quite well, then he gave the ball away with a sloppy pass and we conceded. :lol:
I wouldn't trust him playing there for a full season, although I wouldn't trust him full stop unfortunately.
I think once we get a centre back sorted, we desperately need a good holding midfielder, not sure we'll get one though.
 
I want the team to improve and have more leaders, maguire will do both if we get him. It's overpaying but it's a reality of where we are until we're good again with more players wanting to join us. Eg de Ligt would have if we were a competitive side.

Alternatives at the moment are

Koulibaly- probably looking at close to 30m more and is a little older I believe? Without PL experience

Skriniar - what would inter say to 60-70m. I think they'd at least consider it.

Ruben dias- don't know much of him

Diop- West ham would want similar fee, I'd lean slightly towards maguire now though Diop may prove that wrong.

Ake- not for me. Think he's massively over rated by many and always looks ready to make a mistake though Bournemouth style might expose him more.

Then there's a few other names I can't say I've seen. I'd take Alderweireld for sure but think it would have happened by now.

I think we should have went hard after godin.
the Lukaku/Skriniar swap makes sense for us, just depends how desperate Inter are for Rom.
 
Can we just sell Phil Jones and go with the defenders we already have for damage limitation?

The biggest argument for Maguire for me is that Jones wont be stinking up the place and costing us games at key points of next season.
 
He played holding midfield against Wolves if I remember right. He played quite well, then he gave the ball away with a sloppy pass and we conceded. :lol:
I wouldn't trust him playing there for a full season, although I wouldn't trust him full stop unfortunately.
I think once we get a centre back sorted, we desperately need a good holding midfielder, not sure we'll get one though.

Eric Dier would be a good fit :D.
 
No I won't compare them from today because that makes no sense. Far better to compare when VVD actually moved for £75m seeing as he moved from a similarly sized PL club to a big PL club for a world record fee based on being considered one of the league's best defenders. Sound familiar?

Crack on then mate. I’ll start reminiscing about the house I didn’t buy 2 years ago which has also increased in value - and now one in the same street with one less bedroom is going to cost me the same as if I’d bought the other house 2 years ago.
 
Wolves and Everton had better defensive records than Leicester last season.

Are Willy Boly and Michael Keane worth £75 million too?
 
Wolves and Everton had better defensive records than Leicester last season.

Are Willy Boly and Michael Keane worth £75 million too?
Wasn't it by something like 2 goals?
I bet if we went in for Michael Keane they wouldn't just give him away, irregardless of his perceived value.
 
Wasn't it by something like 2 goals?
I bet if we went in for Michael Keane they wouldn't just give him away, irregardless of his perceived value.

Yes 2 goals better.

So the options are that Everton and Wolves would either give their best CB away or sell them for £75 million? Seems very extreme to me
 
I think some people aren’t recognizing the flaws in our existing centre backs when they talk about pairing up lindelof with Tuanazabe or Bailly.

Maguire isn’t just better than our centrebacks but he’s also a more steady, consistent and consistently fit

So, how's gonna De Ligt and Maguire work?
 
Wolves and Everton had better defensive records than Leicester last season.

Are Willy Boly and Michael Keane worth £75 million too?
Of course they are not worth that, and Maguire isn't either. But the reality of the market is that it's not about a player's worth anymore - PL clubs just don't need the money, so they'll just quote stupid prices for their players. Either a club ponies that up or the player stays.
 
Cant see Inter getting any where near that kind of transfer fee TBH.
We keep then. They tried to fleece us for £55m for an ageing Perisic so hope we dont do them any favours.

Back on topic before someone mentions it: I hope we walk away from the Maguire deal now.
 
Can we just sell Phil Jones and go with the defenders we already have for damage limitation?

The biggest argument for Maguire for me is that Jones wont be stinking up the place and costing us games at key points of next season.
What if we sell Jones,Rojo,Darmian and then buy Maguire??
If we cannot get other targets, We need to get him,,...
We cannot go to the new season with the same defense
 
Yes 2 goals better.

So the options are that Everton and Wolves would either give their best CB away or sell them for £75 million? Seems very extreme to me
Of course 2 less goals conceded is better, it's not a bit disingenuous not to mention that imo.
If you think I meant there's no option* between giving away a centre back and buying him for 75 million, then your reading comprehension needs work.
What I mean is if we came in for Keane, there's no reason they'd let him go for a small fee, much like Leicester they don't need to.
It might not be 75 million, but I don't think you'd get him for that much less.
 
Would sell them all bar Tuanzebe and Lindelof.

Agreed, I'd sell them all in one summer and start over with a fresh pair of new center backs.
Maguire and Milenkovic would be superb.

Our defence is in absolute shambles and needs to be reassessed asap, it should be our main priority. They concede way to many goals and make to many mistakes. Start by selling all of these shite defenders.
 
What if we sell Jones,Rojo,Darmian and then buy Maguire??
If we cannot get other targets, We need to get him,,...
We cannot go to the new season with the same defense
We are led to believe that there are about 5 available CB's in world football: Koulibaly, Maguire, Diop, Alderweireld (who I'd go for), I'm no scout but surely there are other options?
 
Wolves and Everton had better defensive records than Leicester last season.

Are Willy Boly and Michael Keane worth £75 million too?

Actually, in PL, only City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Wolves (barely) had a lower xga this year.

And you could have used a similar argument against van Dijk at Southampton last january. People underestimate the team and how it is organized.
 
Agreed, I'd sell them all in one summer and start over with a fresh pair of new center backs.
Maguire and Milenkovic would be superb.

Our defence is in absolute shambles and needs to be reassessed asap, it should be our main priority. They concede way to many goals and make to many mistakes. Start by selling all of these shite defenders.
Another great option, would prefer this 10x over Maguire.
 
Have to remember they are asking so much for him because a) they don't need the money b) he isn't going to push the deal c) United are loaded. Again I think he's a good CB, at a good age, PL experience and English. Another player I don't know why your not interested in is Nathan Ake, not English but younger and a whole lot cheaper.
 
Have to remember they are asking so much for him because a) they don't need the money b) he isn't going to push the deal c) United are loaded. Again I think he's a good CB, at a good age, PL experience and English. Another player I don't know why your not interested in is Nathan Ake, not English but younger and a whole lot cheaper.
He is not coming for less than 50m
 
Of course 2 less goals conceded is better, it's not a bit disingenuous not to mention that imo.
If you think I meant there's no option* between giving away a centre back and buying him for 75 million, then your reading comprehension needs work.
What I mean is if we came in for Keane, there's no reason they'd let him go for a small fee, much like Leicester they don't need to.
It might not be 75 million, but I don't think you'd get him for that much less.

I think you could get Michael Keane for comfortably less than £75 million. £45 million max
 
Oh sorry we should not sign anyone outside the UK and pay whatever fees that have been asked.
There are CB's across Europe who play for teams which are in Europe and National team.

I guess you will also say someone like De Ligt is not better than Maguire? Just because you have seen him play in the Champions League only. That's what Stats and highlights are for mate.
How many matches have you watched of Ruben Dias and Tah? Zero? If, as per your own admission, you’re going by stats and best bits off YouTube, then literally not a game. I just don’t think you can proclaim they warrant spending £50m+ on over someone like Maguire on the basis of YouTube highlights.

There are loads of residents/aficionados of the French/Portuguese/Italian leagues who’s posts and recommendations I read because it’s obvious they know what they’re talking about. I just don’t think you should say things you don’t know anything about.
 
I think you could get Michael Keane for comfortably less than £75 million. £45 million max
What would Everton stand to gain by letting him go for 45 million? That's less than we payed for Fred who is arguably less proven, albeit in a different position. Like you said, he's Evertons best centre back and they were defensively better than Leicester, so they wouldn't let him go for cheap.
 
What would Everton stand to gain by letting him go for 45 million? That's less than we payed for Fred who is arguably less proven, albeit in a different position. Like you said, he's Evertons best centre back and they were defensively better than Leicester, so they wouldn't let him go for cheap.

Fred was playing in the champions league which is a higher level, but we obviously overpaid for him
 
People complaining about the price need to realise we are no longer in the 1990s. £80 million would be good business, he would immediately become the best defender at the club.
 
People complaining about the price need to realise we are no longer in the 1990s. £80 million would be good business, he would immediately become the best defender at the club.

:lol: These posts are so funny. He made more mistakes last season than Smalling did.

"Everyone is worth £80 million these days, you dont get much for £75 million"
 
Fred was playing in the champions league which is a higher level, but we obviously overpaid for him
Fred was playing in the Ukraine for the most part, which I don't think many would argue is a high level.
Like I say, you just wouldn't be likely to get Keane for 45 million, not unless Everton are daft anyway.
 
Still dont get why we didnt look at him after he played well with Hull.
 
:lol: These posts are so funny. He made more mistakes last season than Smalling did.

"Everyone is worth £80 million these days, you dont get much for £75 million"
Harry Maguire is a superior defender to any of the current lot at the club. It isn't even difficult to assess.

Edit: :lol: my own smiley.
 
Fred was playing in the Ukraine for the most part, which I don't think many would argue is a high level.
Like I say, you just wouldn't be likely to get Keane for 45 million, not unless Everton are daft anyway.

I guess we're fine with Phil Jones then because by that logic he's also worth £50 million
 
Harry Maguire is a superior defender to any of the current lot at the club. It isn't even difficult to assess.

Edit: :lol: my own smiley.

You may want to see a doctor, your face isn't supposed to be green.
 
I guess we're fine with Phil Jones then because by that logic he's also worth £50 million
Phil Jones is only worth your sarcastic, daft responses my friend.
 
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