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Usually played next to Matic/Mctominay/Pereira in a 4-2-3-1 as the box to box.Has Fred been played at CDM or is he more a box to box?
Usually played next to Matic/Mctominay/Pereira in a 4-2-3-1 as the box to box.Has Fred been played at CDM or is he more a box to box?
I think it's the fact that is Maguire. The caf wouldn't complain if we pay those 70m for De Ligt, Koulibaly, Skriniar, etc.
He played holding midfield against Wolves if I remember right. He played quite well, then he gave the ball away with a sloppy pass and we conceded.Has Fred been played at CDM or is he more a box to box?
Think signing Maguire would spell the end of Smalling, as first choice at least.
the Lukaku/Skriniar swap makes sense for us, just depends how desperate Inter are for Rom.I want the team to improve and have more leaders, maguire will do both if we get him. It's overpaying but it's a reality of where we are until we're good again with more players wanting to join us. Eg de Ligt would have if we were a competitive side.
Alternatives at the moment are
Koulibaly- probably looking at close to 30m more and is a little older I believe? Without PL experience
Skriniar - what would inter say to 60-70m. I think they'd at least consider it.
Ruben dias- don't know much of him
Diop- West ham would want similar fee, I'd lean slightly towards maguire now though Diop may prove that wrong.
Ake- not for me. Think he's massively over rated by many and always looks ready to make a mistake though Bournemouth style might expose him more.
Then there's a few other names I can't say I've seen. I'd take Alderweireld for sure but think it would have happened by now.
I think we should have went hard after godin.
He played holding midfield against Wolves if I remember right. He played quite well, then he gave the ball away with a sloppy pass and we conceded.
I wouldn't trust him playing there for a full season, although I wouldn't trust him full stop unfortunately.
I think once we get a centre back sorted, we desperately need a good holding midfielder, not sure we'll get one though.
No I won't compare them from today because that makes no sense. Far better to compare when VVD actually moved for £75m seeing as he moved from a similarly sized PL club to a big PL club for a world record fee based on being considered one of the league's best defenders. Sound familiar?
Don't, we'll probably buy him from you for more than you payed for Ndombele.Eric Dier would be a good fit .
the Lukaku/Skriniar swap makes sense for us, just depends how desperate Inter are for Rom.
Its £70-80m or jog on for inter thenIt's been reported that United asked for him in a swap but both player and club said no.
Wasn't it by something like 2 goals?Wolves and Everton had better defensive records than Leicester last season.
Are Willy Boly and Michael Keane worth £75 million too?
Its £70-80m or jog on for inter then
Wasn't it by something like 2 goals?
I bet if we went in for Michael Keane they wouldn't just give him away, irregardless of his perceived value.
I think some people aren’t recognizing the flaws in our existing centre backs when they talk about pairing up lindelof with Tuanazabe or Bailly.
Maguire isn’t just better than our centrebacks but he’s also a more steady, consistent and consistently fit
Of course they are not worth that, and Maguire isn't either. But the reality of the market is that it's not about a player's worth anymore - PL clubs just don't need the money, so they'll just quote stupid prices for their players. Either a club ponies that up or the player stays.Wolves and Everton had better defensive records than Leicester last season.
Are Willy Boly and Michael Keane worth £75 million too?
We keep then. They tried to fleece us for £55m for an ageing Perisic so hope we dont do them any favours.Cant see Inter getting any where near that kind of transfer fee TBH.
What if we sell Jones,Rojo,Darmian and then buy Maguire??Can we just sell Phil Jones and go with the defenders we already have for damage limitation?
The biggest argument for Maguire for me is that Jones wont be stinking up the place and costing us games at key points of next season.
Of course 2 less goals conceded is better, it's not a bit disingenuous not to mention that imo.Yes 2 goals better.
So the options are that Everton and Wolves would either give their best CB away or sell them for £75 million? Seems very extreme to me
Would sell them all bar Tuanzebe and Lindelof.
We are led to believe that there are about 5 available CB's in world football: Koulibaly, Maguire, Diop, Alderweireld (who I'd go for), I'm no scout but surely there are other options?What if we sell Jones,Rojo,Darmian and then buy Maguire??
If we cannot get other targets, We need to get him,,...
We cannot go to the new season with the same defense
Wolves and Everton had better defensive records than Leicester last season.
Are Willy Boly and Michael Keane worth £75 million too?
Another great option, would prefer this 10x over Maguire.Agreed, I'd sell them all in one summer and start over with a fresh pair of new center backs.
Maguire and Milenkovic would be superb.
Our defence is in absolute shambles and needs to be reassessed asap, it should be our main priority. They concede way to many goals and make to many mistakes. Start by selling all of these shite defenders.
He is not coming for less than 50mHave to remember they are asking so much for him because a) they don't need the money b) he isn't going to push the deal c) United are loaded. Again I think he's a good CB, at a good age, PL experience and English. Another player I don't know why your not interested in is Nathan Ake, not English but younger and a whole lot cheaper.
Of course 2 less goals conceded is better, it's not a bit disingenuous not to mention that imo.
If you think I meant there's no option* between giving away a centre back and buying him for 75 million, then your reading comprehension needs work.
What I mean is if we came in for Keane, there's no reason they'd let him go for a small fee, much like Leicester they don't need to.
It might not be 75 million, but I don't think you'd get him for that much less.
How many matches have you watched of Ruben Dias and Tah? Zero? If, as per your own admission, you’re going by stats and best bits off YouTube, then literally not a game. I just don’t think you can proclaim they warrant spending £50m+ on over someone like Maguire on the basis of YouTube highlights.Oh sorry we should not sign anyone outside the UK and pay whatever fees that have been asked.
There are CB's across Europe who play for teams which are in Europe and National team.
I guess you will also say someone like De Ligt is not better than Maguire? Just because you have seen him play in the Champions League only. That's what Stats and highlights are for mate.
What would Everton stand to gain by letting him go for 45 million? That's less than we payed for Fred who is arguably less proven, albeit in a different position. Like you said, he's Evertons best centre back and they were defensively better than Leicester, so they wouldn't let him go for cheap.I think you could get Michael Keane for comfortably less than £75 million. £45 million max
What would Everton stand to gain by letting him go for 45 million? That's less than we payed for Fred who is arguably less proven, albeit in a different position. Like you said, he's Evertons best centre back and they were defensively better than Leicester, so they wouldn't let him go for cheap.
People complaining about the price need to realise we are no longer in the 1990s. £80 million would be good business, he would immediately become the best defender at the club.
Fred was playing in the Ukraine for the most part, which I don't think many would argue is a high level.Fred was playing in the champions league which is a higher level, but we obviously overpaid for him
Harry Maguire is a superior defender to any of the current lot at the club. It isn't even difficult to assess.These posts are so funny. He made more mistakes last season than Smalling did.
"Everyone is worth £80 million these days, you dont get much for £75 million"
Fred was playing in the Ukraine for the most part, which I don't think many would argue is a high level.
Like I say, you just wouldn't be likely to get Keane for 45 million, not unless Everton are daft anyway.
Harry Maguire is a superior defender to any of the current lot at the club. It isn't even difficult to assess.
Edit: my own smiley.
Phil Jones is only worth your sarcastic, daft responses my friend.I guess we're fine with Phil Jones then because by that logic he's also worth £50 million