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Is Maguire better than our current CB's? yes. That's all we need to know really.

Get rid of Jones/Rojo and sign Maguire, we will be better off. Is he the best CB in the world? no.

Is there another CB just as good available for a lower price that we can guarantee will be better? probably not.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
It is going round in circles a bit. But if VVD was sold tomorrow, he wouldn’t go for £75m would he! He would go for a hell of a lot more.

He’s now a world class CB, CL winner who captains his country. He was NONE of those things at Southampton. If he was sold now, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was upwards of £130m. So it’s futile to compare the two transfers.
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VVD was already rated way higher than Maguire at Southampton though, not at the level he is now, but still very highly. And at the time everyone thought his fee was absolutely nuts you can't really claim Maguire's fee is justified because of that, unless you actually think Maguire can reach VVD's level?
 
romufc said:
Isn't it the scouts responsibility to find CB's?

How often does a club sign a world class CB? Even VVD was a great CB but became world class at Liverpool.

If you look at CB's who have gone and become world class have all been talents/ Pique, Ramos, Kompany, VVD, Ferdinand.

We need to find a CB at the right age, with great potential. De Ligt is one but we will never sign him.
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Our scouts did try and find CBs who could potentially reach a higher level.

Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof. Looking back you have Jones and Smalling who were tipped to reach greater heights, but are still around putting in average performances.

We arguably let our best defender leave for Ajax and reach the semis of the Champions league.

But sure, go ahead and give our scouts another £90m to see if they unearth a talent this time.

Unfortunately, we are in position where we need a quick fix, can't really afford to gamble. The only sensible options are De Ligt, Kuolibaly, Maguire and Alderweireld.

It doesn't look like any but a Maguire are open to joining us at the moment, and it looks like we are going to massively overpay as a result of years of poor scouting.
 
I don't know, but maybe this adds a new perspective......:rolleyes:

The Sun state that Maguire has informed the Foxes ‘he wants to leave’, but the Telegraph say Leicester ‘have received no direct indication over his intentions’ as he is still on holiday, and not due back to pre-season until next week.

It is also said that Leicester ‘were bemused’ by the widespread claim that Manchester United had made an official £70m bid. There has been ‘no contact’ between the two clubs ‘in recent weeks’.
 
Lynty said:
Our scouts did try and find CBs who could potentially reach a higher level.

Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof. Looking back you have Jones and Smalling who were tipped to reach greater heights, but are still around putting in average performances.

We arguably let our best defender leave for Ajax and reach the semis of the Champions league.

But sure, go ahead and give our scouts another £90m to see if they unearth a talent this time.

Unfortunately, we are in position where we need a quick fix, can't really afford to gamble. The only sensible options are De Ligt, Kuolibaly, Maguire and Alderweireld.

It doesn't look like any but a Maguire are open to joining us at the moment, and it looks like we are going to massively overpay as a result of years of poor scouting.
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I agree we need a quick fix.

Who said Maguire is open to join us? If Man City match our bid he is going there.
 
Ikon said:
I don't know, but maybe this adds a new perspective......:rolleyes:

The Sun state that Maguire has informed the Foxes ‘he wants to leave’, but the Telegraph say Leicester ‘have received no direct indication over his intentions’ as he is still on holiday, and not due back to pre-season until next week.

It is also said that Leicester ‘were bemused’ by the widespread claim that Manchester United had made an official £70m bid. There has been ‘no contact’ between the two clubs ‘in recent weeks’.
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The BBC reported that we bid on him and they pretty much never report anything that isn't true.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Probably not but is that relevant? You're talking a world record fee for a player nowhere near VVD's level. I think the issue most people have is with the bonkers fee, not the fact that it's Maguire.
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I think it's the fact that is Maguire. The caf wouldn't complain if we pay those 70m for De Ligt, Koulibaly, Skriniar, etc.
 
Ikon said:
I don't know, but maybe this adds a new perspective......:rolleyes:

The Sun state that Maguire has informed the Foxes ‘he wants to leave’, but the Telegraph say Leicester ‘have received no direct indication over his intentions’ as he is still on holiday, and not due back to pre-season until next week.

It is also said that Leicester ‘were bemused’ by the widespread claim that Manchester United had made an official £70m bid. There has been ‘no contact’ between the two clubs ‘in recent weeks’.
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BBC and Simon peach also reported that Maguire wants to leave (or something close to that).
 
Fer said:
I think it's the fact that is Maguire. The caf wouldn't complain if we pay those 70m for De Ligt, Koulibaly, Skriniar, etc.
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Of course they wouldn't because they're actually worth that money (maybe not Skriniar). What's your point? All I'm saying is that most fans would be happy with Maguire if the fee wasn't so ridiculous.
 
redIndianDevil said:
This sort of short term thinking is what is getting us in stupid positions of over paying for average players.

Are we going to compete for the title next season? No.

The best thing we could do is build for the next two-three years, why don't we buy a highly rated young centre back and give him two years of time with Lindelof to form a steady partnership? This has been our biggest problem with our defence, while individually our defenders are not that good, they haven't been allowed to form a steady partnership(injuries also caused this) either, one thing LvG got correct was the CB pairing - Smalling and Blind.

The only reason VVD perfected Liverpool defence was because the other framework was already there, their midfield was good, fullbacks were good, they played as a team but were getting exposed due to poor CBs and VVD fixed this immediately. But we have a lot of other holes already, even buying Koulibaly and Maguire is not going to magically make us a better unit.

We really should start looking at the best talent available and get him for the money and build for the future.
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Who? We've tried to do that at Centre-back with Bailly and Lindelof. Neither has panned out all that well although Lindelof looked better at the end of the season.

Buying foreign centre-backs in the PL is a minefield. You might argue that other leagues are more technical, but the PL has an intensity game after game that other leagues doesn't have. At the very least other leagues are very different in style of play. You might look good in France, Italy or Holland but that's no guarantee it'll work here.

An experienced centre-half with PL experience does, in my opinion make us a better unit. He'll slot in, won't take time to settle and helps the younger players alongside him - Wan-Bissaka in particular.
 
Think we should take it or leave it at 75m and move on. Spend that money on 2 midfielders - one who can support defensively and one who can help Pogba in attack.

The time and money we are spending on this is not worth it.
 
I think we've had enough of "punts" in this position- Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof

We now need to bring in one sure thing, or as close to that as possible- someone proven in the Premier League and with "something about them" in terms of leadership qualities. Like Liverpool have done with Van Dijk - just paid the money and got it done. I think Maguire or maybe Alderweireld are the best options available to us in terms of that, but at least Maguire has a bit more time left. Then we can put Lindelof alongside and hope that they can form a partnership. Maybe Tuanzebe can provide some credible competition as well as Smalling. The rest can be offloaded.
 
I think he's worth 75, same as Liverpool got VVD for isnt it? Maguire isn't at the same level right now, but I'd argue he's definitely as good as VVD when he was at Southampton.
It's a pain to have to pay it, but it would most likely be worth it in the end, I'd certainly rather it was spent on Maguire than on Avram.
I think when we're willing to put in over 50 million? For Fred who played in the Ukraine, 75 for Maguire doesn't seem too ridiculous, to me at least.
 
Whilst a different type of player, I'm baffled why we aren't in for Ake. Far better value for money than this chump.
 
romufc said:
I agree we need a quick fix.

Who said Maguire is open to join us? If Man City match our bid he is going there.
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The fact that we have officially submitted a bid and the saga started a year ago.

Negotiaters don't waste that time on people who aren't open to joining in the first place. Likely the reason why there's no real talk on Alderweirweld.
 
Lynty said:
Our scouts did try and find CBs who could potentially reach a higher level.

Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof. Looking back you have Jones and Smalling who were tipped to reach greater heights, but are still around putting in average performances.

We arguably let our best defender leave for Ajax and reach the semis of the Champions league.

But sure, go ahead and give our scouts another £90m to see if they unearth a talent this time.

Unfortunately, we are in position where we need a quick fix, can't really afford to gamble. The only sensible options are De Ligt, Kuolibaly, Maguire and Alderweireld.

It doesn't look like any but a Maguire are open to joining us at the moment, and it looks like we are going to massively overpay as a result of years of poor scouting.
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Players like Bailly and Lindelof were bought as development projects. That means they will need some time and may not turn out the players everybody hoped. But it's not like United hasn't bought safe quick fixes over the last year's, however more or less all have turned out to be disappointments. Sanchez being the last.
 
I think some people aren’t recognizing the flaws in our existing centre backs when they talk about pairing up lindelof with Tuanazabe or Bailly.

Maguire isn’t just better than our centrebacks but he’s also a more steady, consistent and consistently fit
 
Lynty said:
The fact that we have officially submitted a bid and the saga started a year ago.

Negotiaters don't waste that time on people who aren't open to joining in the first place. Likely the reason why there's no real talk on Alderweirweld.
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This is what people seem to be forgetting when they're making suggestions that we go for Alderweireld or Koulibaly.
 
romufc said:
Are you trying to justify a £75 plus fee for Maguire? Surely not. He is no where near VVD level. We have seen it for Leicester and England he has a mistake in him.. VVD looks composed and sure.
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Massive Spanner said:
VVD was already rated way higher than Maguire at Southampton though, not at the level he is now, but still very highly. And at the time everyone thought his fee was absolutely nuts you can't really claim Maguire's fee is justified because of that, unless you actually think Maguire can reach VVD's level?
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I’ve not claimed anything - just been really clear that comparing VVDs fee to Maguire today is ridiculous. If you want to compare the two, then compare them as they are today, and VVD would go for at least £130m, far higher than the potential fee from Maguire.

I would suggest that VVD has surprised a lot of people with his progress over the last 18 months - again, I’m not suggesting that Maguire would take the same path.

From my perspective though, Maguire is significantly better than any of our current defenders, he has a good injury record, has PL experience and will clearly improve the team and give us a better chance of getting closer to the top 2.

Is there anyone else? Doesn’t look like it. Is he expensive, yes - but when there are no alternatives, it doesn’t really matter. I don’t want the club to spunk more money on punts like Rojo and Bailly and hoping one of them might come good.
 
We should offer £75m and let them have a root around our bins to see if they fancy Smalling, Jones, Rojo or Young.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
This is what people seem to be forgetting when they're making suggestions that we go for Alderweireld or Koulibaly.
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Very true, hasn't Koulibaly just signed a new deal as well? We'd have to spent huge money to get him, likely well north of 100 million.
 
Offside said:
We should offer £75m and let them have a root around our bins to see if they fancy Smalling, Jones, Rojo or Young.
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If we did pay 75 million, but managed to offload any of our average centre backs, the fee might not look so bad.
We need to hire the people who sell Liverpools dross, theyd make a killing for us.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
Yeah - plus we've already had a bit of 90mil rejected.
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It would be pretty much impossible then, especially if we wanted to bring in anyone else this window, which you'd like to think we would.
 
lon ball2 said:
I’m curious as to why we aren’t offering lukaku plus cash to inter for skriniar, then spending the 70m on a striker or number 10/winger
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There was at least a rumour that we did exactly that, asking for Skriniar and were rejected
 
Tel074 said:
I just researched this stat. Smalling is 17th on the list of defenders Ariel duels won in the prem league last year and not surprisingly behind both Maguire and VVD .
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Is he? Ha I had some bloke going mental at me yesterday because apparently he is 3rd on the list with 67% or something and Maguire/VVD were on 61%. God knows I don't take much notice of all those stats to be honest, prefer to go on what I watch on a weekly basis.
 
Dec9003 said:
It would be pretty much impossible then, especially if we wanted to bring in anyone else this window, which you'd like to think we would.
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Exactly I don't see us spending over 100mil on a CB, especially with all the other areas that need improving.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I’ve not claimed anything - just been really clear that comparing VVDs fee to Maguire today is ridiculous. If you want to compare the two, then compare them as they are today, and VVD would go for at least £130m, far higher than the potential fee from Maguire.

I would suggest that VVD has surprised a lot of people with his progress over the last 18 months - again, I’m not suggesting that Maguire would take the same path.

From my perspective though, Maguire is significantly better than any of our current defenders, he has a good injury record, has PL experience and will clearly improve the team and give us a better chance of getting closer to the top 2.

Is there anyone else? Doesn’t look like it. Is he expensive, yes - but when there are no alternatives, it doesn’t really matter. I don’t want the club to spunk more money on punts like Rojo and Bailly and hoping one of them might come good.
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No I won't compare them from today because that makes no sense. Far better to compare when VVD actually moved for £75m seeing as he moved from a similarly sized PL club to a big PL club for a world record fee based on being considered one of the league's best defenders. Sound familiar?
 
A-man said:
Players like Bailly and Lindelof were bought as development projects. That means they will need some time and may not turn out the players everybody hoped. But it's not like United hasn't bought safe quick fixes over the last year's, however more or less all have turned out to be disappointments. Sanchez being the last.
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True.

To be fair though, this Sanchez scenario is just down right bizarre. Nobody could have predicted such a dip in form.

Di Maria, Falcao, Schweinsteiger performances were a mixture of poor attitude, poor tactics and genuinely past it.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
Exactly I don't see us spending over 100mil on a CB, especially with all the other areas that need improving.
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Honestly I think no matter which centre back we get, they'll struggle with Matic ahead of them.
That away match against Everton was the stuff of nightmares.
 
I actually think that Mag and Smalling could be a very solid pairing.
But also with Tuanzebe. Hope we get this done soon.
 
arthurka said:
I actually think that Mag and Smalling could be a very solid pairing.
But also with Tuanzebe. Hope we get this done soon.
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Think signing Maguire would spell the end of Smalling, as first choice at least.
 
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