Yep.
I agreed with Mourinho in that we needed a new CB, but I totally got why Ed didn't get him one as he'd already got him two expensive ones that he'd already deemed not good enough.
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I agreed with Mourinho in that we needed a new CB, but I totally got why Ed didn't get him one as he'd already got him two expensive ones that he'd already deemed not good enough.
Yeah Smalling should have kicked Jones and marked Kane.Kane got 15 chances? Now I expect, don't take it literally reply.
If you want to tag every goal conceded to Smalling then Leicester and Hull conceded shit loads in last 3 seasons.
Some of you lot need your head checking because you've forgotten how terrible our central defenders are...
Jones - injured for half the season. Makes several mistakes. Can't pass from the back.
Smalling - Decent defender but prone to the odd mistake. Will get absolutely torn to shreds when VAR comes to the PL. Woeful at passing.
Bailly - Terrible defender, too rash and injury prone.
Rojo - Terrible defender and also too rash, injury prone.
Tuanzebe - Kid with potential, had a decent loan spell - but its much more difficult to blood youth central defenders into the first team because any mistake can cost you the game - forwards can make more mistakes and it may not be as costy. He needs a PL loan.
Lindelof - decent season, but still there remain question marks.
So in essence we have two half decent CB's and a kid. Maguire seems to have a lot of attributes that he can offer the team and people are concerned by his feckin fee? This isn't Alexis Sanchez coming in to disrupt Martial and get 400k/week wages. Its a position we desperately need to improve on.
It was exactly the same with Wan Bissaka. Oh no, he isn't Ronaldo-like going forward so lets get someone else, conveniently forgetting we've been playing Young, Valencia and Darmian as RB.
Maguire and Bissaka won't set the world alight, but the idea is that they'll improve the team considerably and provide a solid platform from which we can always improve in the future if needed.
Jones - injured for half the season. Makes several mistakes. Can't pass from the back.
Smalling - Decent defender but prone to the odd mistake. Will get absolutely torn to shreds when VAR comes to the PL. Woeful at passing.
Bailly - Terrible defender, too rash and injury prone.
Rojo - Terrible defender and also too rash, injury prone.
Tuanzebe - Kid with potential, had a decent loan spell - but its much more difficult to blood youth central defenders into the first team because any mistake can cost you the game - forwards can make more mistakes and it may not be as costy. He needs a PL loan.
Lindelof - decent season, but still there remain question marks.
So in essence we have two half decent CB's and a kid. Maguire seems to have a lot of attributes that he can offer the team and people are concerned by his feckin fee? This isn't Alexis Sanchez coming in to disrupt Martial and get 400k/week wages. Its a position we desperately need to improve on.
It was exactly the same with Wan Bissaka. Oh no, he isn't Ronaldo-like going forward so lets get someone else, conveniently forgetting we've been playing Young, Valencia and Darmian as RB.
Maguire and Bissaka won't set the world alight, but the idea is that they'll improve the team considerably and provide a solid platform from which we can always improve in the future if needed.
Not to mention that his other targets were willian, perisic and alderweirald, who were all around the 29-30marker, would have cost tonnes and give a high risk of imminent decline.
He'd be your best defender if you signed him and has a good profile, so from that perspective a good signing.
Bit crazy that you are in near record territory for him though. In terms of stature, it's a bit like making Jamie carragher your marquee mantlepiece defender in a time where rio Ferdinand, John Terry, sol Campbell and woodgate are all around. Good player, more than good enough for what you may need right now, may even somehow become better than his talent merits, but there are bigger talents and better players around.
He'll do well for you in the short and long term though and think he'll be worth it in the end, in the sense that, unlike any of your other centrebacks, if you pair him up with a better centreback next to him, he'll be good enough to hold his own as a major part of a title challenging defence.
Bit crazy that you are in near record territory for him though. In terms of stature, it's a bit like making Jamie carragher your marquee mantlepiece defender in a time where rio Ferdinand, John Terry, sol Campbell and woodgate are all around. Good player, more than good enough for what you may need right now, may even somehow become better than his talent merits, but there are bigger talents and better players around.
He'll do well for you in the short and long term though and think he'll be worth it in the end, in the sense that, unlike any of your other centrebacks, if you pair him up with a better centreback next to him, he'll be good enough to hold his own as a major part of a title challenging defence.
Phelan must be playing a big part in this as he have him his breakthrough at Hull I believe.
It’s easy to say it’s embarassing after we passed him over for a similar fee last summer, needs must and it’s a different regime now.
It’s easy to say it’s embarassing after we passed him over for a similar fee last summer, needs must and it’s a different regime now.
That’s an oxymoron. We already knew we are fecked since they renewed Phil Jones and have penciled in a Lingard renewal.
Probably because he didn't play at Wembley.
Yes, I would think so. He is 22 and is already a very very good defender. I think he could become a better player than Arry Mag.
Kane got 15 chances? Now I expect, don't take it literally reply.
If you want to tag every goal conceded to Smalling then Leicester and Hull conceded shit loads in last 3 seasons.
Yeah sat in work so I'm not gonna sit and re-watch the Wembley game to count how many chances Kane got am I haha, from memory he had maybe double figures, can't have been far away but he was big time dominated.
But, no doubt Jones was marking him the whole time he got through, he was silent whenever Smalling was close to him, of course, top defender is Big Mike, I hear Barca are looking at him for 100m+, no? Prob because he is a bit shit.
Do I want to tag every goal Smalling conceded and compare them to Hull and Leicester, haha will give you a hint on that one, far better things to do with my life mate.
Want him. Koulibaly, Diop or Maguire, just anyone. Overpay, but we need a CB.
Ball playing CB is obviously better than some pure defender
Ball playing CB is obviously better than some pure defender
If we really want him we will make a final offer of 75 million. If that is turned down Ole will move to someone else.
Did he not? Hahahahaha ah well suppose I should have checked, forget Maguire, Smalling for captain next year, lets build a side around the great man.
Smalling didn't even play against Spurs at Wembley, bit of thinking before making post might be a good idea instead of posting randomly.
He's just not a £70m player is he? If Koulibaly can be got for £90m or Alderweireld for £25m then we've no business being in for Maguire at that price.
Has anybody seen Badiashile and is he a good option for us? Wolves ready to sign him for a lot less then Maguire according to the Twitter thread.
Kane got 15 chances? Now I expect, don't take it literally reply.
If you want to tag every goal conceded to Smalling then Leicester and Hull conceded shit loads in last 3 seasons.
Just been advised that Smalling never played at Wembley so apologies for that, should have checked, whoops haha.
Sod it, you lot have convinced me that Big Mike is the next Stam so roll on Chelsea at home, can't wait for a vintage Smalling performance.
Just go and buy Diop or anyone else for that matter. We could literally buy a large majority of the football worlds centre backs for that fee.
Yeah should have checked, ah well I am sure I will get over it, hold on, already have
Cut the crap and move on. Smalling did well against Kane, doesn't mean he is next Stam. You blamed him for Jones losing Kane for the goal and then blamed Smalling for the game he didn't even play.
When you make a mistake, wise thing to do is accept and move on, instead of coming up with more nonsense.
Agreed
Reject putting big money bid for him last summer, finish out of top 4 , get beat for deligt ( as always since Woodward took over), get out priced for koulibaly and then go back for him with backs to the wall.
What a board.
What a board.
If you read the post, think you will see I did accept it lad, and as I said, Kane as an example of someone decent in the air, I'm sure if I cared that much I could find quite a few strikers who have destroyed Smalling.
So you would prefer us to play Smalling and save the money rather than spend it on Maguire? Him and Lindelof play next year can you see us improving on 6th?
Makes a lot of sense
Probably not.
Go ahead and find the posts then.
Saying Smalling did well against Kane or Smalling is very good in the air doesn't mean I don't want to sign CB.
Sign him up. Feck it, fee doesnt bother me just like AWB if he comes in to replace someone crap I'm all for it. We are in a bad way these days and need to get out of it. Replacing half the back four is a great start. Get a couple of cheaper players like James and Longstaff (although personally not keen) and Bruno then we are much improved. Keep Pogba and De Gea this summer also and then go all out to grab a CL spot by season end. Maybe then next summer we can then attract better players again like Sancho etc.
Are you really a City fan? Strange; I thought all City fans really rated Laporte highly. Certainly wouldn't call him 'hugely overrated'.
No sensible person rates De Ligt as the worlds best CB. Van Dijk probably is. Koulibaly not far after that. Then you have all the old/ big team names like Ramos, Pique, Silva , Chiellini, Varane, Umtiti, Godin, Laporte
De Ligt has massive potential and already looks very good, but as a pure defender Maguire is better than him at current. The difference is De Ligt has a way higher ceiling than Maguire and Maguire is already at his peak.
De Ligt defensively has a lot to prove in terms of tackling and reading of the game. He is ahead of the curve on ability in the air attacking and defensive and leadership.
West Ham are going to ask for the same amount we are offering for Maguire and Diop is nowhere near his level and is a pure defender with no visible skills on the ball. I know we can buy most of the worlds CBs for that fee but most of them are worse than what we already have. The players who would improve us are even more expensive than this and/or have no interest in coming here. If you can find a good CB, in his prime, who would add what Maguire will for less money then I am all ears and no Alderweireld does not count as his peak was 2 years ago and his next move is going to be all about money.
Looks like an acceptance that I was incorrect right there Einstein
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You forget that smalling was the main part of 2 defences that conceeded the lowest goals in those respective years. He doesn't get beat in the air ever. Any fan who says they would prefer maguire at a defensive corner hasnt seen both players defend. Ive seen maguire get beaten many times for headers Smalling in all my time watching united I can maybe count on one hand the times he has actually been beaten for a 1 on 1 header.
How can one put Bailly and healthy in the same sentence?
Can’t think any more bargain business than that.
What? fecking hell, such a random posts now.
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