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mancan92 said:
You forget that smalling was the main part of 2 defences that conceeded the lowest goals in those respective years. He doesn't get beat in the air ever.
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So can I ask why does anyone at all want Maguire? Apparently our defence is solid. Maguire is not the quickest, can be turned, sounds like the only thing he has on Smalling is bringing the ball out from the back.

With Smalling being so good in the air, assuming this makes him more of a goal threat than Maguire as well, we should save ourselves some dollar.
 
roonster09 said:
If you want to tag every goal conceded to Smalling then Leicester and Hull conceded shit loads in last 3 seasons.
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Whilst true that Hull and Leicester have conceded a lot of goals in the past few seasons, Leicesters defence last season was really good.
They conceded less goals than we did, for example.
I think the only teams to concede less goals than Leicester last season was the top four teams, wolves and Everton. Even then I think wolves and Everton might've conceded something like two or three less goals, so not bad at all really.
 
It is obvious that de Ligt is off to Juventus, so I would reallyliker to see us signing 2 CB.
Maguire and Alderweireld/Dioup ... Sell Bailly and Rojo ...

We really haven't got enough time because, our back 4 need to be fixed asap. Means, a stabilized defense is what United lacking for years ... And with Maguire and either Alderweireld/Dioup we would have PL prooven CB's.
 
roonster09 said:
What? fecking hell, such a random posts now.
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Jesus do you need spoon fed.

I re-quoted my post above, which had the sentence "Just been advised that Smalling never played at Wembley so apologies for that"

We all clear now buttercup
 
Gandalf said:
West Ham are going to ask for the same amount we are offering for Maguire
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Put in a bid, and see what West Ham demand. The rest of us don't have your psychic skills. We want to see what hammers say with our own eyes.

and Diop is nowhere near his level and is a pure defender with no visible skills on the ball.
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Maguire's fans highly over-rate him compared to other defenders. On a plus: I concede he's better in the air. On a minus Diop is faster than Maguire; whom many consider too slow.
 
Dec9003 said:
Whilst true that Hull and Leicester have conceded a lot of goals in the past few seasons, Leicesters defence last season was really good.
They conceded less goals than we did, for example.
I think the only teams to concede less goals than Leicester last season was the top four teams, wolves and Everton. Even then I think wolves and Everton might've conceded something like two or three less goals, so not bad at all really.
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I'm not going to blame Maguire for the goals conceded, I was just saying if that poster wants to blame Smalling for Kane's goal (marked by Jones) then he should blame Maguire for all the goals they conceded.

Also I disagree that their defense was good. We had such a shit season and conceded only 6 goals more.

I don't mind Maguire as he has lot of qualities that will help us, also we will get CB which is better than not signing anyone.
 
StrettyEnder07 said:
Jesus do you need spoon fed.

I re-quoted my post above, which had the sentence "Just been advised that Smalling never played at Wembley so apologies for that"

We all clear now buttercup
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And followed that with embarrassing bits.
 
He's better than what we have - but 70 million really? Almost what Liverpool paid for Van Dijk - and he was a class above Maguire even then.

Not sure who else is out there, but surely we can get better value elsewhere.
 
roonster09 said:
I'm not going to blame Maguire for the goals conceded, I was just saying if that poster wants to blame Smalling for Kane's goal (marked by Jones) then he should blame Maguire for all the goals they conceded.

Also I disagree that their defense was good. We had such a shit season and conceded only 6 goals more.

I don't mind Maguire as he has lot of qualities that will help us, also we will get CB which is better than not signing anyone.
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I agree with your first point, it's objectively wrong to say their defence wasn't good though.
Liecester has a solid defence now, which is helped by having Ndidi infront of them.
I think I'd like us to bring in Maguire, too. He's obviously a good centre back, and fits in with any combination of our centre backs.
The price is high, and I can understand people saying for the money we can get someone better, but it's not always as simple as that imo.
 
Pexbo said:
Bizarre that anyone still rates Bailly. He's like Phil Jones without the form when fit. Oh, and he ducks when he jumps for a header. The feck is that about?
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Bailly is a player who needs a string of games to find his composure. Jones almost gets worse the more games you give him! Bailly has far higher potential
 
Hawks2008 said:
Pique wasn't lightning but he wasn't as slow as Maguire though. As I said he has his good qualities but I do not think he's the world class defensive presence we need.
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What does pace have to do with being a good centre back? i dont seem to understand why pace is always brought up. A good defender does just that defend. If you good enough you always in a postion to recover was Stam fast? i rest my case
 
ZLATAN9 said:
De Ligt is considerd the world's Number 1 CB. And he's to Juventus for 62m if we wanted to sign him Ajax would turn down 80m for him.

We always pay more for players we should stand our ground more.
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We stood our ground with Hazard and others....
 
Dec9003 said:
I agree with your first point, it's objectively wrong to say their defence wasn't good though.
Liecester has a solid defence now, which is helped by having Ndidi infront of them.
I think I'd like us to bring in Maguire, too. He's obviously a good centre back, and fits in with any combination of our centre backs.
The price is high, and I can understand people saying for the money we can get someone better, but it's not always as simple as that imo.
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The general acceptance is Ricardo Pereira is much better than Young. Maguire is better than our CBs, Evans is good CB, Chilwell is at least as good as Shaw if not better. Then we have Ndidi who is better than Matic. That's the defensive team and they conceded only 6 goals less than us and we had a meltdown season.

Sometimes we just overrate other teams. Again this has nothing do with how I rate Maguire, just saying how fans tend to overrate midtable players when they show bit of good form.
 
StrettyEnder07 said:
So can I ask why does anyone at all want Maguire? Apparently our defence is solid. Maguire is not the quickest, can be turned, sounds like the only thing he has on Smalling is bringing the ball out from the back.

With Smalling being so good in the air, assuming this makes him more of a goal threat than Maguire as well, we should save ourselves some dollar.
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Because he is looking better than Smalling at the moment and is a ball playing CB that clearly we are looking to bring in. In a pure defensive sense he isn't much or even any better than smalling. Certainly isn't a better header than Smalling. That doesn't mean he isn't a better player but not greatly.
 
Escobar said:
Maybe yes maybe no. 70m for him is crazy though
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That's the market though, isn't it?

You can't compare 70m today to 70m 5 years ago. It's insane, yes, but that's how it is. And if there wasn't value in it, the club wouldn't pay up.

Just compare it to other transfers this window.
 
AWB Maguire Lindlelof Shaw

Not a bad back line considering they are all defensively competent. I'd feel more confident with a proper defensive midfielder to shield the middle.

Herrera wasn't good enough when he was here so Longstaff as a starting 11 player is questionable, we need a quality midfielder to replace Herrera and Longstaff as a bench / rotational performer.
 
They didnt even blink before rejecting 70mil. for freaking Maguire, its actually funny how whole thing is mental.
 
Gandalf said:
West Ham are going to ask for the same amount we are offering for Maguire and Diop is nowhere near his level and is a pure defender with no visible skills on the ball. I know we can buy most of the worlds CBs for that fee but most of them are worse than what we already have. The players who would improve us are even more expensive than this and/or have no interest in coming here. If you can find a good CB, in his prime, who would add what Maguire will for less money then I am all ears and no Alderweireld does not count as his peak was 2 years ago and his next move is going to be all about money.
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Mate, Harry Maguire would improve us but hes no world class talent! Diop is probably a better defender so whats the problem? After all, we are signing a centre back to defend
 
Just get him in. We in desperate mode and every CB we look at is overpriced. Unless people are happy to start the season with chuckle brothers for the 10th year in a row?
 
UnitedObsession99 said:
Bailly is a player who needs a string of games to find his composure. Jones almost gets worse the more games you give him! Bailly has far higher potential
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Bailly is also entering the final year of his deal and so will be off on a free in 6 months unless we offer him a new contract and there is no way he has come close to demonstrating he deserves one. I would rather cut bait and sell now as he is one of the few players we have who seems to have some resale value.
 
UnitedObsession99 said:
Bailly is a player who needs a string of games to find his composure. Jones almost gets worse the more games you give him! Bailly has far higher potential
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Agree. Bailly needs to be organised by a leader type CB. Smalling is a good defender but not a leader. Neither is Lindelof.
Shame that Jones is so injury prone and Rojo is a red card waiting to happen.
 
Gandalf said:
Bailly is also entering the final year of his deal and so will be off on a free in 6 months unless we offer him a new contract and there is no way he has come close to demonstrating he deserves one. I would rather cut bait and sell now as he is one of the few players we have who seems to have some resale value.
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This is a good point.

We'd be mad to give him a new contract.
 
DancingPanda said:
I have a very good feeling about Lindelöf-Maguire. I think they'll surprise many of you
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If we genuinely start the season with that pairing and don't buy a new DM - say goodbye to us having attacking wingbacks. There'll be such a lack of pace through the middle AWB and Shaw will be constantly bricking it about through balls and having to cover Maguire/Lindelof/Matic. Plus DDG stays deep so we will have a gaping hole to exploit for any striker with above average pace - that or Ole's masterplan is just to stay as things are and sit behind the ball trying to counter.
 
Gandalf said:
Bailly is also entering the final year of his deal and so will be off on a free in 6 months unless we offer him a new contract and there is no way he has come close to demonstrating he deserves one. I would rather cut bait and sell now as he is one of the few players we have who seems to have some resale value.
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Bailly has a 2 year team option I believe.
 
Tarrou said:
I would genuinely prefer we paid £70m + Rojo than £70m at this point
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Would be nice if we could offer a straight swap of Maguire, Ndidi and Madison for Rojo, Jones, Darmian, Matic, Mata, Sanchez, Lukaku, Pereira and Young

We can explain its a very fair one time offer pre discussion of salaries, 3 players for one. Surely they would go for it :wenger:
 
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