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RedRonaldo said:
-Koulibaly
-De Ligt
-Umtiti
-Godin
-Vertonghen
-Alderweireld
-Hummels
-Boateng
-marquinhos
-Skriniar
-Varane
-Manolas
-Sule
-Rudiger
-Laporte
-Romagnoli
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- Koulibaly: Would definitely cost more than 80m
- De Ligt: Would be perfect obviously but doesn't look like we're getting him.
- Umtiti: Injury prone.
- Godin: Joining Inter on a free.
- Vertonghen: 32 years old, Ole wouldn't go for him. Not really the solution anyway imo.
- Alderweireld: Could be an option but rumor has it he wants one last big paycheck. Not the mentality we need.
- Hummels: Joining Dortmund.
- Boateng: Turns 31 in september.
- Marquinhos: PSG won't let him leave.
- Skriniar: Would definitely cost more than 80m. Don't think he wants to leave anyway.
- Varane: Ed has been trying to get him for years. If he was available we would have signed him already no doubt.
- Manolas: Could be a cheap option.
- Sule: First choice german defender for Bayern. I highly doubt he wants to leave. He'd cost around 80m anyway.
- Rudiger: I don't think Chelsea will let him join a rival with a transfer ban incoming. Would cost around 50m.
- Laporte: Pep rates him, can't see them selling to us anyway.
-Romagnoli: Would definitely want him here but would cost 70-80 mill too.

You act like you know it all and yet you included the likes of Godin and Hummels on your list...


RedRonaldo said:
So 80m for Maguire is the solution?
No wonder we've spent over 600m in past few years and still shite.
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Complaining is easy. What's your solution then?
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Or the club could try to be sensible (for once) and not go spunking a truckload more cash on mediocre players.

£70m for what? Maybe a couple more points a season, if we're lucky. Not worth it.
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I'm not saying we should get Maguire but if one new player gets you a couple more points a season it is definitely worth it. It could be the difference between Europa League and Champions League.
 
Could sign Aarons and Tierney and Haller and Maddison and Alderweireld/Manolas for the price of Maguire and AWB.
 
Dolf said:
I'm not saying we should get Maguire but if one new player gets you a couple more points a season it is definitely worth it. It could be the difference between Europa League and Champions League.
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Spending 270% of our annual pre-tax profit on Harry Maguire is the opposite of 'worth it'.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Or the club could try to be sensible (for once) and not go spunking a truckload more cash on mediocre players.

£70m for what? Maybe a couple more points a season, if we're lucky. Not worth it.
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We’ll play much better football with more composed and comfortable players at the back, especially in an age where the high press is all the rage. The like of Maguire would give this team a new dimension.

We could skrimp and buy another Bailly, Rojo, Lindelöf, Blind though but I’m personally bored to death of that route.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
We’ll play much better football with more composed and comfortable players at the back, especially in an age where the high press is all the rage. The like of Maguire would give this team a new dimension.

We could skrimp and buy another Bailly, Rojo, Lindelöf, Blind though but I’m personally bored to death of that route.
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Blind is a better player than Macguire, in my opinion.
 
Defenitely not a top tier defender nor worth the top dollar but we are desperate for a CB so I can see the club paying 80m+ for on him.
 
Dolf said:
- Koulibaly: Would definitely cost more than 80m
- De Ligt: Would be perfect obviously but doesn't look like we're getting him.
- Umtiti: Injury prone.
- Godin: Joining Inter on a free.
- Vertonghen: 32 years old, Ole wouldn't go for him. Not really the solution anyway imo.
- Alderweireld: Could be an option but rumor has it he wants one last big paycheck. Not the mentality we need.
- Hummels: Joining Dortmund.
- Boateng: Turns 31 in september.
- Marquinhos: PSG won't let him leave.
- Skriniar: Would definitely cost more than 80m. Don't think he wants to leave anyway.
- Varane: Ed has been trying to get him for years. If he was available we would have signed him already no doubt.
- Manolas: Could be a cheap option.
- Sule: First choice german defender for Bayern. I highly doubt he wants to leave. He'd cost around 80m anyway.
- Rudiger: I don't think Chelsea will let him join a rival with a transfer ban incoming. Would cost around 50m.
- Laporte: Pep rates him, can't see them selling to us anyway.
-Romagnoli: Would definitely want him here but would cost 70-80 mill too.

You act like you know it all and yet you included the likes of Godin and Hummels on your list...




Complaining is easy. What's your solution then?
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Look we only have 100m budget for this summer, signing Maguire for 80m is definitely not the way to go, or something we should entertain. If we can't get another worldclass defender for 80 fecking million, then just go for cheaper options, buy some young players with potential, make some smart signings instead of spending reckless amount (world record fee for defender) on average/decent overhyped English players out of desperation.

If we are going to break the world record fee with limited budget to spend, I expect we signed someone who is the best, or has the potential to become the best. But definitely not spending all our budget on Harry fecking Maguire.
 
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Patrick08 said:
So spend 80 m on a player out of desperation just like Lukaku was a solution for no9?
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Lukaku is a striker who can’t even control the ball which is the reason people are moaning about while Maguire is a centre back who can control the ball & play from the back which what we really need. We had Martial & Rashford at that time as striker option while we have deadwood in centre back option right now. You are using lazy comparison.

We have spent almost 80m in total for Bailly, Lindelof & Rojo and look at what happened? Give me better names you can come out then we shall call it solution.
 
In a market where De Ligt and Koulibaly are available, for the right money, Maguire would be underwhelming. Having said that, he is a very good ball playing CD and i think many of us will be surprised to see what a difference that will make to our play. It allows us to keep Pogba up top instead and having to come back to build up play.

While not my first choice, he would make a world of difference and, IMO, provided we sign AWB and keep Pogba, will virtually ensure top 4.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Look we only have 100m budget for this summer, signing Maguire for 80m is definitely not the way to go, or something we should entertain. If we can't get another worldclass defender for 80 fecking million, then just go for cheaper options, buy some young players with potential, make some smart signings instead of spending reckless amount (world record fee for defender) on average/decent overhyped English players out of desperation.

If we are going to break the world record fee with limited budget to spend, I expect we signed someone who is the best, or has the potential to become the best. But definitely not spending all our budget on Harry fecking Maguire.
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You are buying that 100m news??. We were targeting 5 players 1 or 2 months ago and it was reported by BBC tier 1 (Sancho, Koulibaly, 2 midfield & RB). That will cost much more than 100m in total. That news is likely to be used so we can get players cheaper than what the club’s demand.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Spending 270% of our annual pre-tax profit on Harry Maguire is the opposite of 'worth it'.
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Source for our annual pre-tax profit? Also, you can make every transfer sound expensive that way.

RedRonaldo said:
Look we only have 100m budget for this summer
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We do? Are you our new accountant?

RedRonaldo said:
just go for cheaper options, buy some young players with potential, make some smart signings
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WHO!? Seriously, who? You keep saying we should sign someone else, then come up with a completely unrealistic list, only to continue saying we should sign someone else. If it's that easy then give me some names. Who do you think we should sign?
 
RedRonaldo said:
If we are going to break the world record fee with limited budget to spend, I expect we signed someone who is the best, or has the potential to become the best. But definitely not spending all our budget on Harry fecking Maguire.
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Who? Please give us names. Who??
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Decent player, but we'd obviously be pretty mad to spend that kind of money on him.
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It’s mad I agree but that’s just the market right now & Maguire is a player who can improve us. 80m or 70m can be worthy as a big step to go back to the top again. You look at Rúben Dias from Benfica will cost 60m. And lot of Portuguese league fans don’t think he’s ready for the big step & think he’s inconsistent.
 
hobbers said:
Could sign Aarons and Tierney and Haller and Maddison and Alderweireld/Manolas for the price of Maguire and AWB.
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Ha not even close, Maddison would cost the same if not more than Maguire straight away and then you would be lucky to get Tierney and Aarons for the price of Bissaka.
 
Dolf said:
Thanks for the source. I don't really get your point though. Are you saying we should only spend what we earn per year?
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No, I’m not saying that. I’m just trying to say it’s easy for us to say the club should spend tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds on this or that player, but it’s worth remembering transfer fees at the top of the market are currently out of kilter with the realities of club finances.

For me, a £70m player should still be one that we think can be a potential world beater and change our fortunes.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
No, I’m not saying that. I’m just trying to say it’s easy for us to say the club should spend tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds on this or that player, but it’s worth remembering transfer fees at the top of the market are currently out of kilter with the realities of club finances.

For me, a £70m player should still be one that we think can be a potential world beater and change our fortunes.
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Clubs tend to owe big money or have much more negative earning so they can avoid big taxation. I don’t think it’s your problem to even care about it, we are run by board who care so much about the finances so relax. Spend big on the right player who can improve the team not spend big on the wrong player who can’t improve the team or even spend peanut every season on the wrong players.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
No, I’m not saying that. I’m just trying to say it’s easy for us to say the club should spend tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds on this or that player, but it’s worth remembering transfer fees at the top of the market are currently out of kilter with the realities of club finances.

For me, a £70m player should still be one that we think can be a potential world beater and change our fortunes.
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Oh yes that's probably true. I agree with that. The oil clubs have changed the market and we can't compete with that. However, we do still have alot of money to spend. The problem is that we almost need to replace an entire squad.
 
Whether he's worth it or not, it's sellers market, the pool of players available is a shallow one. We can either moan about it or pay the money. I can say for certain, don't pay it and expect us to fall further behind cause at present Leicester and Wolves have better players than we do.
 
The Last Jedaiiii said:
I take it that you consider the following outgoings as "worth it" then:

The Glazer family
Ed Woodward
Interest payments on the Glazer debt
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Yes, I love all those things. Nothing like a good interest payment to get fans off their seats.
 
Litch said:
Whether he's worth it or not, it's sellers market, the pool of players available is a shallow one. We can either moan about it or pay the money. I can say for certain, don't pay it and expect us to fall further behind cause at present Leicester and Wolves have better players than we do.
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Or we can wait for the right buying opportunities that make sense for us long term.

For me, buying the wrong player, at the wrong price, is FAR worse than not buying anyone at all. If you don’t buy anyone, you can rectify it in the next transfer window and it costs you 6-12 months of progress. If you buy the wrong player, it can take 4-5 years to put it right. See Sanchez, Fellaini, and any number of other players bought in the last few years.

Don’t panic buy!
 
Dolf said:
Source for our annual pre-tax profit? Also, you can make every transfer sound expensive that way.



We do? Are you our new accountant?



WHO!? Seriously, who? You keep saying we should sign someone else, then come up with a completely unrealistic list, only to continue saying we should sign someone else. If it's that easy then give me some names. Who do you think we should sign?
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I suppose the alternative would probably be going down to the next tier down, the 'punts' tier like we have tended to in the past, for around £40m - players like Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof - that sort of profile
 
MikeUpNorth said:
Or we can wait for the right buying opportunities that make sense for us long term.

For me, buying the wrong player, at the wrong price, is FAR worse than not buying anyone at all. If you don’t buy anyone, you can rectify it in the next transfer window and it costs you 6-12 months of progress. If you buy the wrong player, it can take 4-5 years to put it right. See Sanchez, Fellaini, and any number of other players bought in the last few years.

Don’t panic buy!
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We did it last season and that led us to outside top 4. Buy the players who are better than what we have and can improve us is different to panic buy.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
I suppose the alternative would probably be going down to the next tier down, the 'punts' tier like we have tended to in the past, for around £40m - players like Rojo, Bailly, Lindelof - that sort of profile
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Not a route we should take. That’s one of the reasons we have got into this situation:

Rojo - £20m + loan of Nani
Lindelof - £30m
Bailly - £30m

Also look at our midfield

Scheinsteiger - £5m
Schneiderlin - £30m
Herrera - £30m
Matic - £40m
Fellaini - £26m
Fred - £52m

That’s £260m and all we have to show for it is 6 months of reasonable form from Lindelof, Matic playing well for his first 3 months, and perhaps one season of Herrera playing well. The rest is absolute mediocrity. We need to stop buying these type of players - that’s 1/4 £Bn plus wages wasted.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Not a route we should take. That’s one of the reasons we have got into this situation:

Rojo - £20m + loan of Nani
Lindelof - £30m
Bailly - £30m

Also look at our midfield

Scheinsteiger - £5m
Schneiderlin - £30m
Herrera - £30m
Matic - £40m
Fellaini - £26m
Fred - £52m

That’s £260m and all we have to show for it is 6 months of reasonable form from Lindelof, Matic playing well for his first 3 months, and perhaps one season of Herrera playing well. The rest is absolute mediocrity. We need to stop buying these type of players - that’s 1/4 £Bn plus wages wasted.
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Would of fecking killed for a player like him last year. Looking back, that was such a bad deal for us.
 
Dolf said:
We do? Are you our new accountant?
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So despite all the news reporting 100m figure, I assume you know your stuff and have some inside information, how much actual budget do we have this summer then?
 
Ekeke said:
Called it at the time. Seemed a ridiculous deal for Rojo
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Yeah, not sure why I didn’t care as much at the time. As frustrating as he could be, he had bags of talent and always tried his all. I remember that Bayern game where he was up top on his own and nearly passed out before taking a corner, because he’d ran his arse off for us.
 
What worries me is, he looks moderate at defending last season, with two very good dmc(Ndidi, Mendy) in front of him, and some proper defenders(Chilwell, Pereira, Evans) playing with him.

So it doesn't look like his performance would improve a lot when he come here, actually i don't think he would have better defending partners here.
 
Lash said:
Yeah, not sure why I didn’t care as much at the time. As frustrating as he could be, he had bags of talent and always tried his all. I remember that Bayern game where he was up top on his own and nearly passed out before taking a corner, because he’d ran his arse off for us.
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Probably his best game as a leader for us. Few people looked up for it but he was.

I always thought Nani was unfairly criticized for not being Ronaldo. Thats a tall measuring stick. The Rojo stick is barely visible
 
Dolf said:
Source for our annual pre-tax profit? Also, you can make every transfer sound expensive that way.



We do? Are you our new accountant?



WHO!? Seriously, who? You keep saying we should sign someone else, then come up with a completely unrealistic list, only to continue saying we should sign someone else. If it's that easy then give me some names. Who do you think we should sign?
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Don't keep asking me who, ask our scouts, who are paid to do their job. If Liverpool can get VVD for 75m last summer, and City can get Laporte for 57m a year ago too, surely we can do much better than paying up 80m for Harry Maguire. Don't tell me its inflation, the 2 biggest transfer in history happen 2 years ago, not today.
 
Litch said:
Whether he's worth it or not, it's sellers market, the pool of players available is a shallow one. We can either moan about it or pay the money. I can say for certain, don't pay it and expect us to fall further behind cause at present Leicester and Wolves have better players than we do.
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So not worth it, if you pay that kind of money you expect the best defensive rock. If we invest in revamping the midfield and get a pro half the defensive problem will be solved. I expect bailly to pick it up this season.

Or rather go for toby, people keep comparing it to Sanchez style situation, but cb neither have to beat players with pace and neither they have to sprint as much as wingers. You can not compare every 29 year old to Sanchez or mata. Defenders have always lasted late till their 30's. Just because you had poor experiences with Matic and mata does not mean every player near30 should be judged like that. Juventus had made a fortune signing players like these on the cheap or for free. I don't feel he will be a bad deal for us for the price. And regarding salaries, how much more it will be than he's getting at spurs? Not much
 
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