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At the quoted prices i tend to agree.
Maguire is a good CB and would walk into the first XI. However, his deficiencies would need to be masked by his CB partner and players around him. At 80 million, he shouldn't have to be complimented by another player...it should be that player is complimented by Maguire and their game is instantly raised.
Per transfermarket, Maguire played many times as the right CB. To his right was Ricardo Periera, who had himself a good season and is a good player with pace/defensive onus. Directly in front of Maguire and Evans was a combination of Ndidi, Mendy, Choudhury or Tielmens. That's an environment where energy, pace, agility and motor come into play with a mix of skill. That central mid and right back area that immediate surrounds Maguire complements his strengths and minimizes his weaknesses.
Only question now is if that structure would be with Maguire at United. And for 80 million, I would pass on him and develop the team structure first and spend on attacking quality than a CB at 80 million. There is definitely another CB out there who can defend properly and pass out from the back at less than 50 million.
Per transfermarket, Maguire played many times as the right CB. To his right was Ricardo Periera, who had himself a good season and is a good player with pace/defensive onus. Directly in front of Maguire and Evans was a combination of Ndidi, Mendy, Choudhury or Tielmens. That's an environment where energy, pace, agility and motor come into play with a mix of skill. That central mid and right back area that immediate surrounds Maguire complements his strengths and minimizes his weaknesses.
Only question now is if that structure would be with Maguire at United. And for 80 million, I would pass on him and develop the team structure first and spend on attacking quality than a CB at 80 million. There is definitely another CB out there who can defend properly and pass out from the back at less than 50 million.
If city get him for 65m and he plays great for them and wins titles, at least we can be happy with Jones and smalling, proud we didn't overpay for some guy with a large head
Definitely starting to get the impression that if we don't get Maguire that we won't bring in a CB this summer and will just go with what we already have. I know there has been talk of Diop but other than that there doesn't seem any concrete links to any other CB's.
This.
He's nowhere near worth the outrageous prices being quoted. He really isn't that good.
So best team in England and one of the top coaches in the world see him as a valid player...but he s no good for us..
Not that it really matters as Chilwell is similar to Pereira (although a little less defensively solid), but could you link where transfermarket says he played RCB? I genuinely only ever remember Maguire playing LCB for us.
As per my posts in the Alderweireld thread I agree you shouldn't be trying to buy Maguire for the fee, but I'm not sure these "weaknesses" you talk about are actually genuine and not just presumed. For example when Harry Maguire first joined us my assumption was similar to yours in that I thought he would be easily nailed by quick footed attackers if isolated in one on one situations, but over the past 2 seasons I've learned that he's actually pretty solid in these situations. For example he tends to stay on his feet and back off in a composed manner that means he cannot easily be turned and where he has a headstart to use his deceptive pace if the attacker tries to knock the ball past him, allowing his teammates to get back in support. If he is turned he can also use his significant frame to put in a last ditch block or tackle and I genuinely can't think of any time when he's been "done" in the manner you'd expect from looking at him.
You're also talking about qualities in a centre back that are more of a bonus than necessity, and therefore to what extent can they be a weakness? For example was John Terry known as being rapidly agile and fast, Chiellini, Pique, is De Ligt?
So City are not only in for him but also Koulibaly as well, someone is making up rubbish and funny how it tends to always be the same players linked with United just like Fernandes was as well.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/harry...177907/saison/2018/wettbewerb/GB1/verein/1003
Seems like whenever Maguire is paired with Evans in a CB pairing, he was the RCB. He was LCB when paired with Morgan and the left sided centerback in a 3.
I think it's fair to say that Maguire isn't blessed with the best pace or agility. For his frame he's got enough. However if United intend on buying him and playing a higher line, he'll have to cover a lot more ground behind him and in front of him without the type of players around him currently in midfield and right back. That is a major concern.
Maguire would be first choice CB and if he's paired with Lindelof or Smalling, it's a good pairing. United would then have to offload at least Rojo or Jones to make way for Tuanzebe, unless they send him on loan after reupping his current deal.
Terry was a better defender in all aspects than Maguire and had some outstanding partners like Gallas and Carvalho, so not sure you should be putting Maguire in the same comparison as John Terry at the moment.
Maguire played LCB unless he was in the middle of a back 3, it’s Evans who swapped depending on who was partnering him
If and its a very big if , City buy him he will be no more than a squad player for them .
What they may be doing is pushing /panicking Woodward into overpaying like they did with Sanchez and Fred
They wanted sanchez for a year haha he scored 33 goals or something in 2017
I mean.. whoever they buy is going to play great and win titles TBH. Would you have said the same if they bought Evans when he was at WBA?
the "haha" is very much on us
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If he was playing at the level of maguire and we desperately needed him but moralised the price then it would be similar situation
Post more about the conspiracy theory that city knew sanchez was done and not worth 25m after a season he scored 30+ goals. Pure fantasy
Maguire walks into our team and massively improves it.
He appears to be the only experienced CB that is potentially available to us.
I don’t expect to see one negative comment from the Maguire haters next season, when Smalling and Jones play 90% of our games between them.
He appears to be the only experienced CB that is potentially available to us.
I don’t expect to see one negative comment from the Maguire haters next season, when Smalling and Jones play 90% of our games between them.
... because the Maguire haters will have been responsible for us not signing Maguire?
Maguire is better than Jones and Smalling but not worth half of what Leicester are demanding for him, it's that simple. If he looks like the only option thats only due to a monumental failure in scouting.
Double this. Or any revisionism either, as we've seen with VVD.
In that case City would be just as bad, which I find hard to believe.
Why? He's comfortably better than Stones.
At 80m Leicester are quoting for me, its a big no! For 50m to 60m seems fine. Nothing more than.
Absolutely correct. He's a fantastic defender and still scope to improve and master his game.
Diop from West Ham could be prised here I'm sure and maybe Alderwierald but the choice is limited I agree.
Absolutely! All those baulking at the price (which is massively inflated I agree) should think about the alternatives to coughing up and getting a brilliant defender, prem proven, apparently great mentality and attitude and a good age.
Ugh, I will be so pissed. This is exactly the type of high character player this club desperately needs. He’s a perfect piece to start rebuilding with.
Good grief, this is a ridiculous take. The anti-English contingent is a funny lot.
Do you think on-line forums have a bearing on who the club signs? Even if there was a raft of ‘Maguire haters’ it doesn’t matter one bit to the club. This forum polarises views to the extreme in any case.
For the record I’m on the Maguire train. PL proven, good defender, good distribution, ready to take the next step up. Yes he’s overpriced, but he’s about the best available central defender and we are in desperate need of improving on the quality on that area.
Scouts can’t magic up players? He’s a high price due to a dearth of good CBs. If there were dozens of similar players around Europe, then he wouldn’t be as expensive. Demand > Supply.
They are able to improve him if its possible, we on other hand, best thing he can hope for is not to decline.
If City get him for £65m that’s not a bad price for an England International these days. Looks like we are paying almost as much for AWB.
I don't know what to think, I agree with the words but it's from Duncan Castles.
I liked Maguire but I feel Duncan Castles is spot on here.
Such is the desperation to get a CB that many want Maguire for all those reasons, I actually feel his stock was on the wane but then he went on one of those said runs in the game against City and all of a sudden the buzz about him is back
Only CB I want is De Ligt and if we cant get him then I hope Tuanzebe gets Smalling and Jones' minutes
Only CB I want is De Ligt and if we cant get him then I hope Tuanzebe gets Smalling and Jones' minutes
Second this. I would love Koulibaly or Skriniar but neither is a realistic option at this point so unless we get de Ligt I would focus on integrating Tuanzebe and improving other areas of the team in the transfer market and revisiting the CB position in future windows.
Harry Maguire is a quality centre-half who would be a massive improvement on what we have. Pep needs a replacement for Kompany and arguably could go for any centre-half in the world given his standing and the money City have. If he does then that's because he thinks he's got the ability to step up a gear - just like VVD did for Liverpool having acclimatised in the PL with Southampton.
My view, he'd be ideal for United. Foreign centre-backs are more glamorous and may likewise prove suitable, or indeed a better option but come with more risk. They play in different leagues with different styles and that doesn't always translate.
If he goes to City for £65 million - not a huge sum given the figures thrown around today for even the youngest players, its a great deal for them in my opinion.
My view, he'd be ideal for United. Foreign centre-backs are more glamorous and may likewise prove suitable, or indeed a better option but come with more risk. They play in different leagues with different styles and that doesn't always translate.
If he goes to City for £65 million - not a huge sum given the figures thrown around today for even the youngest players, its a great deal for them in my opinion.
Without improvements at centre half we'll struggle massively.
Our biggest weakness is midfield though, and its putting pressure on our back 4 (obviously we still need big improvements there as well).
Milenkovic is the one we should go for.
Better play in front of the back 4 would help as would shoring up the right side with AWB. It is not an ideal situation but we also don't need to throw an inflated fee at players who will only marginally improve us, we already know our board won't splash the cash like Real have this summer and so if we do sign Maguire we can kiss goodbye to any improvements in the midfield or attack this window.
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