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lewwoo said:
If Awb is worth 55m then Maguire is worth 60m all day long.
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Why is that? AWB will very likely be the best right-back in the world. Maybe as soon as this coming season. Maguire is a decent CB, and we desperately need one, but Maguire will never in his entire lifetime be even top 5 CB in the world. Just not going to happen. He is worth more than AWB only because he's more proven and because we need him. Otherwise - meh.

Eric's Seagull said:
I'd be very happy to get Diop for £50m, as I've wanted him for a while.
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We can only assume that either they don't want to sell or he doesn't want to come, because there is no reason to not sign Diop instead of Maguire, esp. for 20-30M less, if we could sign him.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Ronnie Johnsen
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What? Johnsen was blistering fast for a central defender. If not the fastest, then definitely one of the fastest central defenders Man Utd have had! Stam also had great acceleration/explosive pace. None of them compares well with Maguire. You are right about Berg, he was slow. I still get your point though.
 
golden_blunder said:
Yeah it’s crazy. Bailly isn’t that much better on the ball either!
Smalling gets a lot of bad press because he’s not a complete footballer, he’s an old school defender. But he’s still good at that, actual defending and is the only one out of our current CBs who can competently Head the ball. He would actually compensate Maguire better than lindelof but I know that won’t go down well with the ones who think that passing is more important than defending skills now
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Smalling will still be first choice next season even if we sign Maguire. It doesn't take long for our managers to realise he's much better than the rest, when they see the others play without him. It'll be Lindelof who'll end up getting dropped.
 
RedPed said:
Yeah that's why we conceded 54 goals last season and not mounted a decent league challenge for years because of accepting mediocrity as the norm. We keep going over the same ground every season but his time will be limited this season, that's for sure. No way will he be a starter this season. Don't see how you can not see that. No-one has come back with any conviction as to which of the top 6 he would start for. It would probably be Arsenal but only at a push too. So why the hell people think he's good enough for United is just baffling.

Anyway, if we do get Maguire, it will be academic anyway, so I'm happy.
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We didn't concede 54 goals because of Smalling alone though, the whole defence is wank. Last season they were especially wank along with DeGea having his worst season at United. Not to mention Mourinho playing the silly cnut early in the season playing midfielders in defence in a number of games.

I was also hoping Smalling wouldn't be a starter anymore after the signing 1 or even 2 top central defenders this summer and we may yet. In fact i've been hoping we would have upgraded on him for about 3-4 years. We really should have upgraded on all of them and shot most of the current bunch out of a cannon long before now.

But all this talk of Smalling being 5th choice is nonsense mate, it's not saying much but he's still better than Jones, Rojo and Bailly defensively and he's infinitely more reliable injury wise. I don't know how you cannot see that.
 
RedPed said:
Yeah that's why we conceded 54 goals last season and not mounted a decent league challenge for years because of accepting mediocrity as the norm. We keep going over the same ground every season but his time will be limited this season, that's for sure. No way will he be a starter this season. Don't see how you can not see that. No-one has come back with any conviction as to which of the top 6 he would start for. It would probably be Arsenal but only at a push too. So why the hell people think he's good enough for United is just baffling.

Anyway, if we do get Maguire, it will be academic anyway, so I'm happy.
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Tell me, how many goals did Leicester concede two and three years ago with Maguire in the team?
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Have you seen him try to move his feet on the turn when he’s beaten? When peoploe say he is slow this is what they are referring to. Not just his straightline speed or acceleration.
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Its not though. They've confused not being quick with being slow and it's stuck in the narrative. lets be honest.
This place has a bad habit of posters having steadfast opinions of players they haven't seen much of or simply bluffing them based on confirmation bias. look at the ABS is average going forward meme that grew on here for example. Where are all these examples of his pace being a liability? Im sure there's many to post...
 
I think many are underestimating HM as a whole. We know there are other players out there technically better, however, that is not all we are looking fo . We're looking for a player with type of character that we've been bemoaning for many years. As I mentioned before in here, he's more or less been the player of the year, each year he's been at his new team. That is exactly the type of character we need.

In terms of cost? Well, we've always had to overpay. nothing new.
 
stevoc said:
We didn't concede 54 goals because of Smalling alone though, the whole defence is wank. Last season they were especially wank.

I was also hoping Smalling wouldn't be a starter anymore after the signing 1 or even 2 top central defenders this summer and we may yet. In fact i've been hoping we would have upgraded on him for about 3-4 years. We really should have upgraded on all of them and shot most of the current bunch out of a cannon long before now.

But all this talk of Smalling being 5th choice is nonsense mate, it's not saying much but he's still better than Jones, Rojo and Bailly defensively and he's infinitely more reliable injury wise. I don't know how you cannot see that.
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Smalling is quite a useful player and even with Maguire potentially coming in he will get a lot of starts. I think in an ideal world Ole wanted to use all three of Lindelof, Maguire and Smalling in different combinations with Maguire being the first choice and Smalling/Lindelof playing basis form/availability. Tuanzebe would be the back-up and Jones/Rojo/Bailly would have been moved along. Unfortunately, our inability to clear out the deadwood is coming in between our plans to build a strong defensive foundation.
 
I’m glad Leicester fans have signed up. I think having more fans from different clubs makes this forum better.
 
golden_blunder said:
Yeah it’s crazy. Bailly isn’t that much better on the ball either!
Smalling gets a lot of bad press because he’s not a complete footballer, he’s an old school defender. But he’s still good at that, actual defending and is the only one out of our current CBs who can competently Head the ball. He would actually compensate Maguire better than lindelof but I know that won’t go down well with the ones who think that passing is more important than defending skills now
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The meltdown when Smalling - the most experienced and complete defender we (currently) have, partners Maguire, not Lindelof - will be a sight to see :drool:
 
WireMUFC said:
He’s not slow. He’s not extremely fast. Stop focusing on his pace, If you’ve seen him play you’ll know it’s not an issue.

The only people talking about his pace are people who haven’t actually seen him play, the same people who think Skriniar is the best defender on the planet.
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Lets be honest mate i doubt theres any United fans on here who haven't seen him play. We play against his team twice a year.
 
golden_blunder said:
Yeah it’s crazy. Bailly isn’t that much better on the ball either!
Smalling gets a lot of bad press because he’s not a complete footballer, he’s an old school defender. But he’s still good at that, actual defending and is the only one out of our current CBs who can competently Head the ball. He would actually compensate Maguire better than lindelof but I know that won’t go down well with the ones who think that passing is more important than defending skills now
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Why would Smalling be a better fit next to Maguire ?

Smalling's defensive ability is atrocious.
 
People keep saying he isn’t worth £80m but look at the context of this transfer:

He plays for a Premier League club that doesn’t need the money.

He’s at his prime age.

He’s English. This adds at least £10-15m on a player these days.

He signed a 5 year contract only last year.

At this point I don’t care if he costs £80m. I’d rather we do that than go into the season with Smalling as a starter. And if he or Lindelof get injured Rojo, Bailly and Jones will get game time.

We need a better CB, we need a leader and we need someone who can come straight into the team without having to work out the league. He fits all three so just accept the ridiculous price and get it done.
 
stevoc said:
Lets be honest mate i doubt theres any United fans on here who haven't seen him play. We play against his team twice a year.
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Mostly big games and they usually play really well in those games!
 
Josep Dowling said:
People keep saying he isn’t worth £80m but look at the context of this transfer:

He plays for a Premier League club that doesn’t need the money.

He’s at his prime age.

He’s English. This adds at least £10-15m on a player these days.

He signed a 5 year contract only last year.

At this point I don’t care if he costs £80m. I’d rather we do that than go into the season with Smalling as a starter. And if he or Lindelof get injured Rojo, Bailly and Jones will get game time.

We need a better CB, we need a leader and we need someone who can come straight into the team without having to work out the league. He fits all three so just accept the ridiculous price and get it done.
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Fortunately for United, Ole and his management team agree with you.
 
Bwuk said:
I’m glad Leicester fans have signed up. I think having more fans from different clubs makes this forum better.
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I agree. They provide an alternative view & can counter the crazies in the newbs.
 
Don't expect any news on Maguire as there is none. He will be taken off the market this week due to proximity of the start of the season. All the hullabaloo about him has come out over last two weekends due to lazy journalism, can't be bothered to actually find any news so they make stuff up about what they think might happen.

PS I would love to be wrong about this because I think he would be a good buy for Utd even if overpriced.It would also cost me because he is on the list of players that I had a bet on Utd NOT signing when the window opened. None of the players on that list has yet been signed even though there has been tons of paper wasted in speculation.
 
Bestofthebest said:
Don't expect any news on Maguire as there is none. He will be taken off the market this week due to proximity of the start of the season. All the hullabaloo about him has come out over last two weekends due to lazy journalism, can't be bothered to actually find any news so they make stuff up about what they think might happen.

PS I would love to be wrong about this because I think he would be a good buy for Utd even if overpriced.It would also cost me because he is on the list of players that I had a bet on Utd NOT signing when the window opened. None of the players on that list has yet been signed even though there has been tons of paper wasted in speculation.
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Isn't that what you're doing?
 
Josep Dowling said:
People keep saying he isn’t worth £80m but look at the context of this transfer:

He plays for a Premier League club that doesn’t need the money.

He’s at his prime age.

He’s English. This adds at least £10-15m on a player these days.

He signed a 5 year contract only last year.

At this point I don’t care if he costs £80m. I’d rather we do that than go into the season with Smalling as a starter. And if he or Lindelof get injured Rojo, Bailly and Jones will get game time.

We need a better CB, we need a leader and we need someone who can come straight into the team without having to work out the league. He fits all three so just accept the ridiculous price and get it done.
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You will note that many fans on here will not be satisfied.

If we buy Maguire for £80m it will be because of the reasons you have mentioned, and it will clearly improve our team.
I don't know if anyone noticed, how much better we were with the ball playing out with 2 CB's who were comfortable with the ball? as to when we have Smalling or Jones it just feels nervy.

if we don't buy him, the same people will be here moaning, oh why didnt we get a CB, should have just paid the money for Maguire.
 
UncleBob said:
Why would Smalling be a better fit next to Maguire ?

Smalling's defensive ability is atrocious.
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What? Maybe you’re mixing up ball playing and defending but he’s far from “atrocious”.
He’s a much better defender, in the literal sense than everyone else we have
 
The more opposition fans here -- the better.

Welcome you twats. :)
 
£70million plus add ons - spend it, its the teams money so lets invest. He'll be a blood and thunder defender for us, someone who'll give 110% in every game. 8 years from now he'll be talked about misty eyed like Pallister, Bruce, Johnsen, Stam, Berg, Vidic. (not in rio's class but the level below).
 
Yeah it's been great. Never have I ever read sentences "We don't need to sell and will only sell at our asking price", "Maguire won't force an exit", "Our owners are rich and ambitious", "Leicester will push into the top6 as United, Chelsea and Arsenal are in crisis" etc. so many times from so many different people. An illuminating experience.
 
golden_blunder said:
What? Maybe you’re mixing up ball playing and defending but he’s far from “atrocious”.
He’s a much better defender, in the literal sense than everyone else we have
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This. His problem is that he can't play football but he is a very good defender on his day. The only one constantly winning headers as well.
 
He instantly improves our CB partnership, pay the money & sign him up.
I don't get all the hate for the LCFC fans joining, more traffic to the Cafe, it's no different to the members from here joining RAWK.
 
UncleBob said:
Why would Smalling be a better fit next to Maguire ?

Smalling's defensive ability is atrocious.
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Defensive ability is not his issue for feck sake.

It's he fact he can't kick the ball straight over a 5 yard radius and has an almighty wind up.

His technical ability is shockingly shit for a professional. His pace, head and all round defensive capabilities are very good.
 
Sir Scott McToMinay said:
Smalling is really really poor on the ball, It’s that he’s not good on the ball, he is absolutely incompetent.
9 players who can play with the ball at their feet is not good enough in the modern game, we could find a place for Smalling if he was a Vidic level defender or something, but he’s not even close.
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It obviously is good enough because we came 2nd in the league with him playing weekly despite our tactics not being particularly good and other players not being in form. And that was just 2 seasons ago
 
It is one of the great strengths of the forum, most forums would respond to opposition fans, with hatred and profanity.
The cafe welcome is humorous and witty.
 
Ekeke said:
It obviously is good enough because we came 2nd in the league with him playing weekly despite our tactics not being particularly good and other players not being in form. And that was just 2 seasons ago
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Yes, that is because of Jose tactics, he bypasses the defence and went long to Lukaku. Lets be honest the season we came second, we didnt pull any trees, many games we scrapped through and DDG saved us.

That is not because Smalling was awesome. we played a very defensive system.

Ole plays a more open system where the CB sometimes have to receive a pass with no one around so the touch and the next pass has to be spot on, he can't do that.
 
From what I've seen of the Leicester fans so far, they're decent! Pretty sure that opinion will change in the course of time but welcome for the time being!
 
carpy said:
Isn't that what you're doing?
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The difference is I'm offering an opinion but at the same time I am not operating in a professional capacity nor trying to get people to believe what I am saying by putting it into general circulation. Some of the reports of last weekend were downright lies e.g. Maguire had been seen leaving Leicester's trading camp to travel for a medical.

If I thought I was misleading anyone with my comments then I would not write them. In fact I am doing exactly what this forum is about which to my mind is discussing situations and offering opinions. If people think I am wrong or wish to have a different opinion that is fair enough. I just don't think it does journalism in general any favours to make things up out of complete bone idleness.
 
romufc said:
Yes, that is because of Jose tactics, he bypasses the defence and went long to Lukaku. Lets be honest the season we came second, we didnt pull any trees, many games we scrapped through and DDG saved us.

That is not because Smalling was awesome. we played a very defensive system.

Ole plays a more open system where the CB sometimes have to receive a pass with no one around so the touch and the next pass has to be spot on, he can't do that.
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Yes exactly, we didnt make the most of what we had and yet we came 2nd. I appreciate other teams underperformed even more than us, but that also happened when Leicester won the league. It happens, its about us being on form and taking advantage when the other teams arent in their best period.

We didnt play a particularly good defensive system because our players were constantly out of position and we looked completely disorganized. Smalling had to spend half the season at right back covering Valencia
 
I love how not playing football for a couple of months makes Smalling 50 times better than he is for so many on here.

It's possible to be a crap footballer and a crap defender. Smalling manages to be both with bells on.

You can't be a great defender when you are as careless as he often is. He switches off far too often, making basic errors, losing the man he is supposed to be marking, giving away stupid fouls or scoring silly own goals while trying to clear balls with the wrong foot.

The amount of times he fecks up, only for the mental gymnasts on here to blame everyone and anyone else instead of him always makes me laugh. He's been the biggest naked emperor of all the underachievers we've seen in the shirt over the last several years.
 
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