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Dahnsouff said:
50m is a ridiculous amount of money for a non WC full back with very little experience :)

See what I did there? As a wise man once said, "you do it to yourself you do, you and no-one else"
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Its evident that we bought AWB for potential. Unlike Maguire whose painfully slow AWB has got all the skillset to become WC and sort the RB issue for the next 10 years.

You are free to ask whatever you want for your player. There again we are free not to accept paying for it. We are not alone in thinking that your valuation is bonkers. City are on the same boat as well. You actually United the whole city of Manchester on that regard
 
Dahnsouff said:
If, I said if, the price is 80mil up front, no bonus, no nonsense; then Utd need to pay it and stop faffing about if he is top target.
Utd’s behaviour here is looking quite arrogant or feckless, and despite the attempt to change the rhetoric to paint Leicester as the bad guys here, you really have zero excuse having just paid 50mil for a kid with 1 year in the EPL (don’t give me that potential crappy argument, as you have been awful with potential of late)
Guessing you will walk away, hope you strike lucky with who you do get, if any one.
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Arrogant? Explain, specifically, what is arrogant about wanting to negotiate a price? You're asking for us to pay a world record fee for a CB. Can't wait for you to just stop faffing around and pay £60mil for Dunk.
 
WR10 said:
That’s right. They need him. We need a CB but we don’t need to pay 80m for one. It’s odd to me that Leicester and a lot of people in here seem to think he’s our only CB transfer prospect... If they truly asked 80m then I’m sure Ed laughed them off by now
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I totally agree with your point in bold. I think personally we should have gone for Diop mate. Who do you think we should go for instead of him mate?
 
ivaldo said:
Arrogant? Explain, specifically, what is arrogant about wanting to negotiate a price? You're asking for us to pay a world record fee for a CB. Can't wait for you to just stop faffing around and pay £60mil for Dunk.
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I mentioned arrogant, as it feels like we are being asked to wait until closer to the end of the window, which is pretty bad for all parties, no evidence, just a feeling. Maybe you really have just moved on to your next target?

I did say or feckless :)
 
ivaldo said:
Arrogant? Explain, specifically, what is arrogant about wanting to negotiate a price? You're asking for us to pay a world record fee for a CB. Can't wait for you to just stop faffing around and pay £60mil for Dunk.
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We should just allow Leicester to take us to the cleaners, no questions asked. Meanwhile City aren't arrogant for doing pretty much the same thing we did. That's because unlike us they aren't expected to commit expensive brainfarts
 
Fox_Chrys said:
LCFC fan here.

What I dont like about this transfer saga is every single day media are reporting something new, either they are just spinning from nothing or someone from man utd keeps pushing them to do it, I have never seen this kind of relentless activity media before for a player leaving our club. If Man utd are pushing for daily harassment by the media then its lowest of the low.

Also If these rumours are led to be believed then.

Maguire is effectively been held prisoner yet hasnt even made a transfer request.

A deal is closed to been made yet our manager has confirmed our valuation hasnt even been met.

Man utd only have one CB target and cannot even meet the valuation for him?

It is ok for Man utd to ask for large money for pogba but not ok for LCFC to do the same for Maguire.

I will be annoyed if you suddenly meet the valuation and we sell him at last minute, why wait weeks to meet the valuation, if you not prepared to meet the valuation why not move on to a new target? its as if you think we will suddenly flip for no reason.

Is this how all your transfers play out?
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This is pretty standard for a United transfer mate. It's got nothing to do with United pushing, harassing, bullying or any similar nonsense.

Its because United are the biggest club with the most fans so the media know any news about them will generate clicks.
 
I guess city can afford to do it given the position they are in. For us, he seems to be the only option who is both willing to join us and will improve us. We have no option other than pay up for him and I hope it happens soon.
 
They of course have the right to value him at whatever they want, but it’d put players who want to use them as a stepping stone off if it’s ridiculous valuations.
 
No club is entitled to be in the top six / four.
It’s a state of flux. Albeit, that state of flux can take 10 - 15 years to change.

I think a lot of it depends upon your personnel.

Does Harry see himself making a step up and improving as a player, if he joins Manchester United. If I was him, I’d be hesitant. OGS is inexperienced, he has no one to learn from and he’s going to be expected to hit the ground running and improve that defence. He has little to no protection from the midfield currently.

The option to join Manchester City though, who are a superior team (frustratingly for you guys I’d imagine) is less of a risk. He’s playing for Guardiola and has solid defenders around him. I do think they’ll be less formidable this season, having lost leaders in Kompany and Delph though.

Interestingly, I’m surprised Liverpool haven’t looked, as I see him as being better than Matip.
 
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Dahnsouff said:
I mentioned arrogant, as it feels like we are being asked to wait until closer to the end of the window, which is pretty bad for all parties, no evidence, just a feeling. Maybe you really have just moved on to your next target?

I did say or feckless :)
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I fail to see how that is arrogant.
 
Pughnichi said:
He’s hardly Laurent Blanc
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He is very close to that. Irrespective of whether we buy him or not, the team would need some serious re adapting. I can't see how lindelof, maguire and Matic could counter pacey players
 
WR10 said:
He’s not worth 80m.
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And yet that's the market price (for us) for a player at that level. If we don't want to pay that much we will have to go for a lesser player for less money, at which point the quality is not going to be much different to what we already have so we may as well stick and forget about improving our team.
 
Considering how slow we are at signing any player, do we actually have enough time to walk away from HM and move to another option?
Is there another option?
I guess the 'stopgap' Toby option is becoming a bit more palatable...
 
I'd rather we look at alternatives eg Dayot Upamecano. Young ambitious and quite experienced for his age. Would cost less with much higher potential.
 
Woeisme said:
Considering how slow we are at signing any player, do we actually have enough time to walk away from HM and move to another option?
Is there another option?
I guess the 'stopgap' Toby option is becoming a bit more palatable...
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Toby would be our best CB by a big distance. 25m for a top cb, I'm starting to wonder do the redcafe rate anyone?
 
Sleigh said:
No club is entitled to be in the top six / four.
It’s a state of flux. Albeit, that state of flux can take 10 - 15 years to change.

I think a lot of it depends upon your personnel.

Does Harry see himself making a step up and improving as a player, if he joins Manchester United. If I was him, I’d be hesitant. OGS is inexperienced, he has no one to learn from and he’s going to be expected to hit the ground running and improve that defence. He has little to no protection from the midfield currently.

The option to join Manchester City though, who are a superior team (frustratingly for you guys I’d imagine) is less of a risk. He’s playing for Guardiola and has solid defenders around him. I do think they’ll be less formidable this season, having lost leaders in Kompany and Delph though.

Interestingly, I’m surprised Liverpool haven’t looked, as I see him as being better than Matip.
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A lot are overlooking fact that Maguire is best on left side of central defence. You know who plays on that side for Liverpool and it’s not Matip.

It’s the same problem for City - they need someone for right hand side of the two/three. Guardiola loves having natural left footer on left side I.e Laporte
 
M Bison said:
I'm not so naive to believe the media reports that we are in discussions with 1 player at a time.
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You haven't witnessed the incompetence of this club in the last decade then? Have you slept under a rock? Wouldn't surprise me at all if these reports were true.
 
Steve Bruce said:
I'd rather we look at alternatives eg Dayot Upamecano. Young ambitious and quite experienced for his age. Would cost less with much higher potential.
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If we are spending 100m on CBs then id say go for him and Konate. We would have 2 CBs who had already played together while distributing the risks on 2 signings and it would also allow us to sell Rojo, Jones and bailly
 
devilish said:
Last year the defence was bombarded on three fronts.

a- We had DDG who wasn't fully focused on what he's doing due to his contract problems.
b- We had Matic who was becoming too slow as DM
c- We had a non existent RB

Rather then just add another slow CB in the mix (Lindelof-Maguire-Matic would be like watching a movie on slow motion), I think we're better off sorting DDG's contract situation, add a mobile DM and maybe bring a decent CB whose good in air, whose decent with the ball and has some real pace. That's the type of player who would compliment Lindelof greatly.
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I agree with this.
 
Redcy said:
IMO:

Aké - Not much better, or not obviously so, is a possible though
Romagnoli - Doesnt want to leave
Skriniar - Doesnt want to leave or come to us

Nowhere near good enough:
Elvedi
Djene
Akanji

Good players, coming from a different league as talent/punts for at least 50m:
Tah
Konate
Milenkovic
Upamecano

Not good enough:
N’Dicka
Llorente


And that is the problem, we have seen our share of "potential world class" defenders, and none of them have been so, the difference between paying 40m for Ake and 75m for Maguire is the argument. Ake doesnt have the quality of Maguire. The others who do are completely unproven in a new country/massive club atmosphere.
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Look who dominated the PL last year. Who lead them? The good old proven english players or the ones with most potential, brought from around the world to fit the managers playing stile?

Watched tons of Akanjis games and he'll easily be Maguires level next year, with a much bigger upside. Someone like Juventus will sign him and we'll be asking ourselves how the hell they found him and we didn't.. Or we have to bid 100m just to be in the conversation.
Probably same with N'Dicka who I like, but haven't watched enough of him tbh.

Our transfer strategy is just becomming more and more ridiculous, seems like no one really has a plan. Beginning with the manager, who should target not the most famous defender, but the most fitting to his gameplan. If he has one..
We should have a scouting network that allows us to sign players outside UK and before they had a solid World Cup and everyone targets them.

It seems like most of us here know before the signing that it won't work well almost all the time, but we just go after names all summer long and overpay for Fellaini, Lukaku, Sanchez, Schneiderlin etc....
Don't need to mention Di Maria who never even wanted to be here.

I really hope we don't sign him to be honest. If you can't form an acceptable CB duo with Bailly, Lindelöf, Smalling, Jones and Rojo then throwing a turtle-slow Maguire in the mix won't help.
 
Redcy said:
IMO:

Aké - Not much better, or not obviously so, is a possible though
Romagnoli - Doesnt want to leave
Skriniar - Doesnt want to leave or come to us

Nowhere near good enough:
Elvedi
Djene
Akanji

Good players, coming from a different league as talent/punts for at least 50m:
Tah
Konate
Milenkovic
Upamecano

Not good enough:
N’Dicka
Llorente


And that is the problem, we have seen our share of "potential world class" defenders, and none of them have been so, the difference between paying 40m for Ake and 75m for Maguire is the argument. Ake doesnt have the quality of Maguire. The others who do are completely unproven in a new country/massive club atmosphere.
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Utter nonsense.
 
Dahnsouff said:
50m is a ridiculous amount of money for a non WC full back with very little experience :)

See what I did there? As a wise man once said, "you do it to yourself you do, you and no-one else"
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45m+5m bonus is about right for a talented 21 year old who has a full season in Premier league and voted player of the year in mid-table club. I mean, there is also resell value taken into account too. On the other hand, Maguire is not even best player in a mid-table club, but cost 80m-90m, and he is older with less resell value too.
 
Players will rarely ask for a transfer aka "hand in a transfer request" because they would then lose their loyalty bonus that is the norm in footballer contracts these days.
 
Eric's Seagull said:
I totally agree but it's a crazy market and Leicester don't need to sell for financial reasons from what I've read and in my opinion it would be more advantageous for them to keep him to build on the season they had last year mate.
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Exactly this! Why would Leicester weaken their team just to add 20-30 million to their bank account after they've bought a replacement, they don't need the money.
Their options are: keep Maguire and build on the past season and try to break into top 6 or buy a lesser player and have some extra money in the bank and maybe end up in a similar position to last year. It's a no brainer if you ask me, they can see we are a mess and if they are smart they can close the gap or even overtake us. Of course they want to hold on to their best players and will only let them go if someone desperate wants to pay way over the odds.
 
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kerryman said:
Exactly this! Why would Leicester weaken their team just to add 20-30 million to their bank account after they've bought a replacement, they don't need the money.
Their options are: keep Maguire and build on the past season and try to break into top 6 or buy a lesser player and have some extra money in the bank and maybe end up in a similar position to last year. It's a no brainer if you ask me, they can see we are a mess and if they are smart they can close the gap or even overtake us. Of course they want to hold on to their best players and will only let them go if someone desperate wants to pay way over the odds.
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Good post. Which I agree with particularly the part in bold, which is something but think could happen if we don't sign a few players soon mate.
 
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ivaldo said:
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Sorry about that. I'll try for it to not happen again. It was post I had to stop writing but forgot to get back to it was early and I was tired after already being up a few hours. It was meant to be I think they are asking for a world record as they dont want to sell him and are trying for an extortionate fee they are hoping no-one is mad enough to pay, as they want to progress from the decent season that they had last year and hopefully qualify for Europe this year mate.
 
Leicester fans are taking the fecking piss, of course moving from Leicester to Manchester United is a step up no matter how bad our current state is.
 
Kush said:
Leicester fans are taking the fecking piss, of course moving from Leicester to Manchester United is a step up no matter how bad our current state is.
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What did you hear and where? I want a good laugh.
 
From the first links to Maguire about a year ago, to being linked again still today... I have to ask... What is our longest transfer saga ever?

Gaitain and the like don’t count where it was just dodgy Portuguese papers reporting it
 
Feed Me said:
No worries.

I actually really like what is happening at both Wolves and Leicester – both examples of squads being well built in an organic fashion.

I know the former have taken a lot of stick for their Mendes connection, but Nuno has still done all the right things in how he's assembled his team and there is not a bad egg in sight.

Leicester make me a bit envious in how they have continually plucked great players from relative obscurity – and it's not even going back to Mahrez and Kante. Chilwell, Maguire, Pereira, Ndidi, Maddison and Vardy would all considerably upgrade our squad – probably even the starting eleven.

I know what you mean about Wolves and the EL – I suppose time will tell. I have been surprised at their lack of transfer activity so far, but there's still time.

Arsenal, Chelsea and United are most in danger of getting caught by that chasing duo, but think they still have the edge as things stand.

West Ham are also having a go, and Pellegrini is a very good manager, so it's a seriously strong top half of the table potentially.

Back to Maguire, I think it's a pretty simple situation:

- Does he improve us? Yes.
- Are we that far off Leicester's valuation? Not really. So just fecking pay up and we can all get on with our lives.
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Agree with the getting on with life, this media inflated bs machine is getting tedious and in truth the now deafening silence says it all!

I'm loving the fact that there's potentially 10 teams vying for top 6 with no definitives bar your neighbours and the scousers which must sting. It makes the EPL less boring and predictable imo.

50 years man n boy I've followed us and 15/16 was the miracle I'd never thought I'd see, bar some fans who got carried away with all the stars aligning, most realise we are a club gradually improving with serious ambition to challenge the established order of things.

It's what makes it the beautiful game and a s**t show in equal measures.
 
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