Smalling has regressed, yes, but as you say - people are underestimating what he could potentially bring to the team. Just a couple of seasons ago he was hailed as our most solid CB. He will push the marginally better Lindelof for that other CB position.
Harry Maguire | Signed
- Thread starter davidmichael
- Start date
- Status
Salty.
We could get Diop for a similar fee if the the rumours I've heard about west Ham's valuation of him are correct. He is who I like. Do you think he is worth £75m mate?
Can you imagine how angry @devilish would be if we signed a centre back from a side that conceded 70 goals last season!
Agreed, walk away from this ridiculous fee for a "just above average/decent but by no means world class" CB. It's like paying Rolls Royce money for a VW. By the time we get the rest of the team sorted and are contending for any titles he'll be 30 odd anyway. Why not buy the best up and coming CB instead and save 30-40 million. Its not like Maguire is going to turn us into contenders. Get a cheaper, younger alternative who can grow/improve with the team. It's madness to pay 80-90 million for a defender who isn't that much better than what we have, he's not outstanding like VVD that's for sure. Is he that much better than Diop who'd cost maybe 50 million?
We should walk away. De Ligt is going for ~£65m, Trippier for ~£25m.. this just looks like a really a bad idea. Paying big fees for really top players is fine, absolutely fine, but I am not at all convinced Maguire is that, and it would mean we don't have the money for someone else.
Maguire won more arial duels than any other CB last season.
was VVD a world class defender when they scousers went for him?
Your right, mate. The scouting team of over 60 members really has to be dissembled. They are simply not doing their job or not being listened to.
As regard to negotiating of contracts and transfers, we need a DOF who knows about football, to take full responsibility.
Yeah but he obviously had the tools and no pure weakeness in his game. Maguire has some obvious weakness.
Did you just call Trippier a top player?
And fund them in doing so!
Great business all round.
Plenty of people were already saying VVD was probably the best center back in the league or at least in the top 3 or 4. Everyone agreed that Pool were getting a brilliant CB, just severely overpaying for him, and obviously very few thought he'd end up being arguably the best CB in Europe.
Maguire isn't remotely as good for Leicester as VVD was for S'hampton, there's no comparison.
and we still haven't done this deal, not even close, according to Brendan Rodgers. and clearly there will be no director of football because woodward is so good at his job. I'm tryingto work out by which month we will be out of the running for top four
This place is unreal, the amount of people crying, bitching and moaning about the price and then you have people complaining we haven’t completed it yet, we’re negotiating it takes time
We’ve also done more business than anyone in the top 6 ffs.
Swear people are just being negative for the sake of it
If you dont have a proper set up in place, you have to go for that one defender for 80m. If we had a proper scouting network, we could have bought another cheaper, highly talented player who maybe is not the finished article but has class.
This is 150+ pages of the same arguments ffs.
"He's too slow" Proof given that top, top centrebacks don't have to be fast.
"He's worth 50p max" He is worth what ever Leicester value him at.
End of the day if Manchester United and Solskjaer think this is the transfer we need to push on then I am behind the idea. Would much rather an £80m Maguire than another season of Jones/Smalling running the show.
"He's too slow" Proof given that top, top centrebacks don't have to be fast.
"He's worth 50p max" He is worth what ever Leicester value him at.
End of the day if Manchester United and Solskjaer think this is the transfer we need to push on then I am behind the idea. Would much rather an £80m Maguire than another season of Jones/Smalling running the show.
You’re really miserable, aren’t you? After last season, where we came oh so close after Mourinho, you think we’ll be worse off this season looking at Arsenal and Chelsea?
Whining is fine when you’re actually whining over something real. This is just gratuitous, though.
Not sure where you have got this statistic from, but it is incorrect.
In terms of total aerial duels won by CBs, Maguire was 14th in the Premier League.
Aerial duels won per 90 minutes by CBs in the Premier League, Maguire was joint 10th.
Let's look at facts:
HM: 26, JS: 25
Average ratings from world cup: HM 8.0, JS 8.5 ( https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44834111 )
Most CB pairs has an alpha defender, the director and the one that has the ball the most. Clearly, Stones was that defender in the WC. I will admit I have not followed them much this past campaign and I know Stones suffered from injuries. Again, from the WC I thought Stones was the better CB and has the bigger upside.
It would not be crazy to let City buy HM for 80 mil and we buy Stones for 50 mil, and soon Stones is considered the better CB.
I like Maguire, I just don't ever see him being on par with Vidic and Ferdinand. Stones could possibly get there.
No, but a similar level to Maguire and just over £20m.
As if City would let us buy Stones ffs.
VVD was a world class defender when Liverpool bought him.
What makes you say that? Didnt't pull trees at Southampton, and wasn't a regular in Dutch team?
The stat I saw was % of aerial duels won rather than the pure number, which is a more accurate way of looking at it. Winning 50 out of 55 is obviously better than winning 60 out of 100.
Maguire was top with 68%.
Buy Milenkovic!
He has the same attributes as Maguire plus he is younger, quicker and at worst he will be two thirds of the price and would have resale value unlike Maguire.
He has the same attributes as Maguire plus he is younger, quicker and at worst he will be two thirds of the price and would have resale value unlike Maguire.
What I love is the fact that you go on a rant about how it is to expensive and how no one will pay that money for him, how no one will pay the money for Varane and Upamecano, thanks for stating the blatantly obvious!
I don't think anyone thinks Maguire is worth 80M quid, I personally think he is a level above anything we have but not at the level of the top elite CBs in world football, he ticks pretty much every single box that we are looking for in a CB this summer.
If you could do me one favour, after you have stopped your rant, you have not actually mentioned any CBs who are available for a decent price this summer, any chance of a few names?
Alderweireld would have been my first choice but going to Roma.
Mangolas is not any better than what we have, already gone to Napoli
Koulibaly/Varane/Skirner/De Ligt non-starters
Romagnoli won't leave for less than what 60M? Not overly convinced he is the answer for that amount of money.
Dias looks a very good CB but for 60M again would he come in and improve us instantly like Maguire would, would he need a season to adjust like Lindelof? Probably.
Milenkovic, 50M for an unproven CB who again would need time to adjust.
With all those options, Maguire for 60M plus 20M in add ons does not sound all that bad.
I do however, look forward to your list and your expert opinion seeing as your so quick to shoot down anyone else's opinion, roll on roll on
What?! He was probably the 2nd best defender in our league after Alderweireld at the time. Actually could have been the previous season before the move.
Probably not. I think, though, city would not want a 50 mil defender as a substitute. Guardiola, for whatever reasons, does not appear to favor Stones.
Pallister used to be beaten in the air by shearer and Duncan Ferguson amongst others, sometimes outpaced and sometimes out muscled. Yet I’d have him here in a heartbeat for €100m
I think people need to stop thinking about the money because they equate it with having to get the perfect defender. But no defender is perfect so we need to find one that ticks the boxes for us and Maguire does that.
I don't rate Maguire at 80mil (ridiculous fee) but they're not at similar level, Trippier is shit.
Best post so far in this thread!
Key bit is last sentence, you're probably not going to get anyone else, lots think Tuanzebe will do just as well, but he's 21 and just learning his trade, give him some experience but overusing him this season could be fatal.
A defence of AWB, Maguire Lindelof and Shaw is a massive mark up on what you had last year and is the perfect blend of young players developing and a sensible PL experienced CB running the show, I don't understand why people are so against it.
Transfers are meant to improve your team, you've shown you either won't pay or cant attract the very best like KK or Deligt so go a tier below - at 26 he's entering his best years as a defender, he could easily make the step up, he has at every the stage of his career so why does everyone doubt him now?
I really like Diop, I do, but he is 22, investing 60-70m is a huge risk. For years we have been trying to buy up and coming centre backs who might become top class, and we have failed every single time (including Lindelof). The other players people mention are similar Konate, Tah, Dias are all young players who are going to cost 50m, with the same risk of becoming the next Smalling/Bailly/Lindelof. We can't afford to blood them in gradually if we are paying 50-60m so we would need to have them come in as starter, which is difficult given most players have to come in and adjust esp if they are young and from a different league.
The really top quality players are unavailable to us at the moment, so the obvious choice might have been to get Alderweireld and wait a year. However that doesn't seem to be an option we are going to risk, truth is with the way prices have gone we could wait a year and find that Maguire is 85m and a Varane would be 150m (if he isn't that already).
Oh and anyone mentioning Trippier being in the same league as Maguire clearly isn't watching any football.
Yes he was. Them signing VVD was always going to be a great investment.
Trippier going for more than £20m has just added £10m to the value of Maguire.
And Phil Jones.
A lot of rewriting of history going on as usual. So many on here were laughing at Liverpool when they signed VVD, but now it was "always going to be a great investment". Typical Caf.
Yeah but it’s 3 weeks til end of season. We clearly want these guys so we can either compromise and find agreements or we can faff around til the window ends and it’s too late. Then we go into the season with 2 new players and multiple problems needing addressed still. We really need to get over this price tag stigma
How quickly they turn on their own. Unsurprising given the username.
You'd think considering how many failed attempts at signing young CBs with potential we have had and how we're unable to shift them, that we'd have less fans crying out for more experiments.
Thats not even limited to post fergie either.
Thats not even limited to post fergie either.
- Status