and i'm debating with someone who thinks England's first choice centreback isn't way better than a kid with one season under his belt and no international caps. let's just leave it.
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and i'm debating with someone who thinks England's first choice centreback isn't way better than a kid with one season under his belt and no international caps. let's just leave it.
Sorry I thought we where talking about valued opinions
I’m sorry, De Ligt is not too good for Manchester United. If De Ligt should join us today, I can assure you, he will not play every game even if he’s available. De Ligt development into a top player is not set in stone. Going to Italian league is the best decision for his career. The league is higher level than Eredivisie but still lower than premier league and La Liga. In Serie A, he will play every game and give him more time to develop, more time on the ball etc. when he gets to 25/26, if he’s still a top player, then he can move to premiership or La Liga for further development. If he had joined United, he may get crushed and not developed properly. Premier league show no mercy to defenders. You have to be strong and aggressive. While he’s learning that, the English media will tear him to shreds especially because he plays for Manchester United.
At first I thought this was one of those sarcasm posts but the longer it went on the more it became evident you were being serious
Agree, it's almost like they make it up
Maguire didn't turn up for the Leicester squad shoe fitting today...straight from the horses mouth...
Where's our slab then?
I don’t get people who get all excited before anything has actually happened. When he is waving the shirt on the bbc I’ll start making fantasy lineups in my head.
It’s not negative to wait until a thing is actually a thing is it?
preparing for Leicester's first pre season game just like John Percy said in the Telegraph
yeah I'm the same way, until there's the press release I stay cautiously optimistic
Just once I would like to see us get a deal done quickly....I guess with the monetary figures being thrown around the negotiations must be complex but it seems like we always drag deals out forever.
It's a bigger punt now than when he was at hull. I think there's more pressure on him now than compared to then too if we had signed him
Although I've always seen United as a team that sorta takes what's described as a punt on younger talent to help develop them
But The Sun said we'd agreed a fee?
It is nowadays in the age of social media! He’s already having his testimonial in my head canon.
No more than any other club, but you're only obsessing and checking up a lot on our activity, so it seems that way. Bet every football teams forums are full of fans saying the same thing about their club.
It's not over the line yet. Woody's at the wheel.
yes but the podcast they quoted apparently said you offered £60m+20 in add ons and we said full £80 upfront so no fee was ever agreed but people went with what they want to believe
Reputable media sources such as SkySports or the BBC haven't confirmed anything yet.
Ominous.
Ominous.
Sky Sports aren't that reputable they will go with what ever fills air time
It's a matter of time, no smoke without fire.
Are your lot really buying Dunk for 45m?
Sounds very much like the end of the AWB saga. The total compensation is agreed and the haggling now is over the structure of the deal, would be very surprising if this ultimately does not happen.
Yeah they've really gone to sh*t. It used to be when I saw that yellow and black notice pop up, I'd take it as gospel. Now they're just gossip merchants like most of the rest.
It'll prob drag on for another while.
Agree. This has the same vibe with James and AWB. United aren’t going to walk away haggling over a few million if that’s what it takes to complete the deal
most likely yes
I remember the 2015 summer they had a new favourite for our managers job every day, sometimes multiple in a single day, never once did they mention the man that got the job, Ranieri, Rob Dorsett is ok with transfer info but on the whole sky haven't got a clue when it comes to Leicester
He needs to be broken on the fecking wheel.
Yep. It seems they're happy with the fee it's just the structure that's being haggled, a bit like with AWB and the clause they wanted deleting etc.
If we've really gone as far as 80m I can't see us giving up now, Leicester are probably just asking for time to get replacements.
Nothing like a medieval torture to solve a problem...
Sun said he was having his medical today. It should be fairly easy to dismiss that as bullshit when you consider that previous attempts at covert medicals have involved throwing a sheet over one half of David De Gea.
If we get him for 60+20 in bonuses it would be a great deal.
As I posted earlier, the problem with our play is that we don’t have a properly drilled defense. Jones, Rojo, and Bailly are permanently injured. Young is a huge destabilizing element on the right. Shaw is covering his position plus either Pogba’s or Matic’ who is supposed to cover for PP but too slow.
Mourinho’s medieval man marking system on top of that. That’s why we leaked so many goals last season.
Maguire not only ticks all the boxes: 1) heading; 2) ball play; 3) conenctration; 4) composure, but also is very disciplined an NOT injury prone.
He’s the last piece of the new defensive unit. Back 4 quality is incredibly important for our style of play. counterattacking football is what suits our set of players. For me, it’s an attractive style if played correctly. We are able to play it very well with a plethora of fast attacking players in the center.
Those who demand Klopp’s or Pep’s style this year are being unrealistic. We are a different team. It will take 3 to 4 years at the very least to make it sensible for Man United.
Many of those who are unhappy with Maguire found out that high d-line, extreme pressing and all attack makes you undefeatable in FM19. Maguire is not a favorite at FM.
Players names thrown around like Tah, Upamecano, Konate are stars in the game. I’m sure less that 1% on this forum watched them regularly and less than 5% watched them at least once. If you calling to buy them instead of Maguire for “cheaper”, prepare to have another Bailly or even worse.
If Maguire signs, I’m very optimistic about 3rd place. I can see consistency and a plan behind our acquisitions.
As I posted earlier, the problem with our play is that we don’t have a properly drilled defense. Jones, Rojo, and Bailly are permanently injured. Young is a huge destabilizing element on the right. Shaw is covering his position plus either Pogba’s or Matic’ who is supposed to cover for PP but too slow.
Mourinho’s medieval man marking system on top of that. That’s why we leaked so many goals last season.
Maguire not only ticks all the boxes: 1) heading; 2) ball play; 3) conenctration; 4) composure, but also is very disciplined an NOT injury prone.
He’s the last piece of the new defensive unit. Back 4 quality is incredibly important for our style of play. counterattacking football is what suits our set of players. For me, it’s an attractive style if played correctly. We are able to play it very well with a plethora of fast attacking players in the center.
Those who demand Klopp’s or Pep’s style this year are being unrealistic. We are a different team. It will take 3 to 4 years at the very least to make it sensible for Man United.
Many of those who are unhappy with Maguire found out that high d-line, extreme pressing and all attack makes you undefeatable in FM19. Maguire is not a favorite at FM.
Players names thrown around like Tah, Upamecano, Konate are stars in the game. I’m sure less that 1% on this forum watched them regularly and less than 5% watched them at least once. If you calling to buy them instead of Maguire for “cheaper”, prepare to have another Bailly or even worse.
If Maguire signs, I’m very optimistic about 3rd place. I can see consistency and a plan behind our acquisitions.
Its not done until its done.
And in football,theres is smoke without fire all the time.Not saying this isnt happening but in football nothing is certain until the contract is signed.
And in football,theres is smoke without fire all the time.Not saying this isnt happening but in football nothing is certain until the contract is signed.
No it’s not negative but I just don’t understand how people can’t read a situation and see that it’s extremely probable that he’ll sign.
A centre back acquired from a relegated side is definitely a bigger punt than buying an established premier league player with countless caps under his belt.
The only issue here is the price tag, which is essentially irrelevant as the market is incredibly inflated and will continue to head that way.
PS: The Harry Maguire that was at Hull would probably cost you £30-40 million in this market. If we spent that this place would go into meltdown.
Good post.
What a super post.
We should have taken him from Hull. He was clearly an asset there, and plays different to any other (English) defender. It seems (seems..) that he wanted to join United, and why not? Hull, Leicester.. to Man United.. that's an impressive career trajectory.
All prices are ridiculous...look at Palace holding out for £80m for Zaha (who I like, but is not worth that money). PSG really f***ed things up in the transfer market, and I hope things are beginning to relax again. We sel Pogs and Lukaku, and we still have money to spare.
Maguire hopefully will go in there and not give a f*** about those other so-called personalities, because they haven't really done that much at United at all.
If he signs, it is a good signing, for many reasons. I wish we could offload some of the deadwood junk though. Really. We need to.
All prices are ridiculous...look at Palace holding out for £80m for Zaha (who I like, but is not worth that money). PSG really f***ed things up in the transfer market, and I hope things are beginning to relax again. We sel Pogs and Lukaku, and we still have money to spare.
Maguire hopefully will go in there and not give a f*** about those other so-called personalities, because they haven't really done that much at United at all.
If he signs, it is a good signing, for many reasons. I wish we could offload some of the deadwood junk though. Really. We need to.
I think this is a huge mistake, right now its not a good idea to buy from other clubs in the PL. The TV money has made the transfers to go insanely high, and buying here will force to seriously overpay especially for English players. For that amount we could have bought a top centerback like Varane or Umttiti.
Or for a cheaper amount a hot prospect like Skriniar, Upamecano, Gimenez, Diop, Hermoso, etc
I don’t rate Maguire as a worldclass centerback, he is a good one but thats it. Breaking the record fee for a defender you’ll expect at least a top 5 centerback or a hot prospect like De Ligt. IMO Maguire has reached his potential and will hardly get any better.
We may end up with a Sanchez situation here, having an overpaid player which is supposed to be world class but is bang average.
Or for a cheaper amount a hot prospect like Skriniar, Upamecano, Gimenez, Diop, Hermoso, etc
I don’t rate Maguire as a worldclass centerback, he is a good one but thats it. Breaking the record fee for a defender you’ll expect at least a top 5 centerback or a hot prospect like De Ligt. IMO Maguire has reached his potential and will hardly get any better.
We may end up with a Sanchez situation here, having an overpaid player which is supposed to be world class but is bang average.
Didn't Liverpool take a punt on Robertson from Hull, worked out alright. Maybe its something we need to do more often rather than all these ready made world beaters who have done sod all since arriving on crazy wages.
I'm not going to trawl through several pages. What the hell do the SIMON supporters say now?
Is he going to be demoted to tier 2 or what?
Is he going to be demoted to tier 2 or what?
Varane is a none starter for the sake that he has either just signed or about to sign a new deal at Madrid and would cost maybe double the 80M we are going to pay for Maguire.
Umatti is injury prone and has already said he has no interest, wants to stay at Barca.
Skriniar hot prospect?? Just signed a new deal at Inter and has already rejected us.
Upamecano we enquired last year and were quoted about 100m by his club, rather spend 80M on Maguire than 100M on an unproven French kid from Germany.
Gimenez again we have enquired, quoted obscene amounts of money and I am pretty sure he has turned us down, maybe before Godin.
You said we should not buy PL yet have put Diop in there? Assuming you mean the lad at West Ham. 60M no thanks.
It is all good and well saying we should buy this lad and that lad, it's not football manager, half of these players are happy where they are and will only move for a Barca/Madrid/Munich etc.
De Ligt/Koulibaly were never coming to us.
Maguire ticks most boxes for what we need right now to improve, has been extremely consistent for 2 years and has become a very important player for England.
For what is available this summer, take Maguire all day.
Why would he be "demoted" has it been officially confirmed Maguire isn't joining? No? Didn't think so.
The lack of patience, especially when its a deal like this which clearly has the feeling of "just a matter of time" is truly staggering.
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