Cut to the chase just go straight for Dunk now instead of trying to buy him in 2 years for £100m!
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I don't think we should bother improving LB, but Tierney for a possible £25m would be an affordable upgrade IMO. If we were a more settled team that just needed a few tweaks then maybe I'd improve LB, but CB and CM needs a lot more focus.
It’s clear Rio is the best defender in the league, or at least has the highest potential among all the defenders. That’s what I honestly think at that time anyway.
your argument is nonsense because Maguire is already way better than AWB. if AWB fulfills his potential, he may well match Maguire's current status.
I’m far from sold on him and I think he’s massively overrated. But if it’s a choice between him and no one then yeah I’ll take him. Also, anyone that can make me have to watch less of Smalling and Jones is great I guess.
He is the best CB outside the top 4 with ease. The issue is find a better CB between 24-29 that is available, not just in the league, but across Europe. You wont find many. We can sign an older one, we can sign a younger one, but we dont really need another young CB or an old crock that we need to upgrade in 2 years time again.
If you look outside of classy ones llike Koulibaly and De Ligt, one which isnt available due to ridiculous prices and the other due to being too good for us at the moment, thats a problem. There are plenty of talented young ones floating around, between the age of 20-23, but i dont think thats really what we are looking for when we got Tuanzebe and Lindelöf himself is still young enough. We can add one like that once we get rid of one of the other ones (Jones, Smalling, Rojo or Bailly)
We need to improve the CB position and Maguire has some advantages over other players. The only ones i would take over him with the requirements are Gimenez, Skriniar and Romagnoli, but question marks if they are available or really keen to move here when they probably could get better moves at some point or stay where they are for now. To me Maguire adds the quality that he wont move to another league in a few years or needs any sort of adaptation to the league or country. He comes in and starts immediately without any sort of fuss or 'give him a season or two to get to know the league/pace', besides being a good defender and what we need on the ball/in the air
Can Ed manage to close this transfer or do we have to wait another couple of weeks?
What about the more pertinent - why didn't we sign him last Summer, when our manager wanted him and we had just finished 2nd...?
Woodward literally vetoed the manager over this guy, and is now breaking the transfer record to sign him...!
Could you be more specific in terms of players' names? A couple of obvious choices (de Ligt and Koulibaly) are even more expensive so they don't count in this regard.
I get the impression we'll play either Lindelof or Smalling depending on the opposition. Lindelof being comfortable in possession and being able to carry the ball out from the back is useful when we're playing against teams we need to be dominating and require possession, but also against teams who press us. Smalling being a better out and out defender would be useful against some of the stronger teams with pacy attackers, plus his heading ability is still very good, his physicality is an asset against certain teams who employ target men.
To be honest, I still think there's more to come from Lindelof. I thought he was good last season but there's still room for improvement.
Some are saying it isn't even on now.
The Sun says yes, Simon Stone (BBC) says no. I don't believe either, but I'm more inclined to go with the BBC.
The Sun says yes, Simon Stone (BBC) says no. I don't believe either, but I'm more inclined to go with the BBC.
We'll never knew the answer to that however we can make educated guesses. Mou's transfers were being erratic at best. He was asking United for the ridiculous (Perisic, Toby and Willian for ridiculous fees) and seem to become difficult to satisfy and he was quick to lose hope on the new signings he made. Maguire's signing would have been Mourinho's 3rd SUCCESSIVE CB signing, turning this usually rare thing (ie buying a CB) into an annual event (Bailly year 1, Lindelof year 2, Maguire/Toby year 3). No wonder why the club was losing hope in Mou's ability to unearth new players.
Woodward's big mistake was to give Mou a new contract only to refuse to back him up. Having said that, last year's Mourinho was a beast who was impossible to please and very difficult to tolerate let alone trust. We're talking about a guy who signed a midfielder for 50m only to barely ever use him. A guy who turned every pressing release into a circus as he accused everyone for United's failure apart from himself. No wonder why this guy has failed to find a new job.
Colin this has been dealt with numberous times in this thread already.
Stone has said with both James and AWB that "It's not happening" only to change his mind practically in an instance. What he says isn't important unless he's fed it directly.
Sorry for not reading all 5489 posts.
I am not saying that Lindelof won't be given a chance and my theory kind of goes tits up if United ends up buying a mobile DM WHICH WE DESPERATELY NEED. My point is that its very wrong to count Smalling out. He's got the right characteristics to thrive alongside Maguire.
You're forgiven but don't do it again.
Our defensive record last season was rubbish. Smalling at his best is a very good out and out defender, he was a bit off his best last season though. Lindelof had a few months of mostly good games, not a good season. So there are plenty of CBs who had better seasons than our CBs.
Likewise Maguire made some mistakes defensively, where people were writing him off on here.
Schar, Izzo, Maripan, Velazquez although he only played 13 matches. Schar is the only one I'd say thats also particularly good on the ball like Maguire, but in terms of defending the others are better than Maguire.
Not on here, as the thread showed
Just the last few pages will do!
it's all just recycled info at this point. Stone is a naysayer until it's rubber stamped, he said no bid has been made even though he said 10 days ago we had bid 70m!
The whole thread is basically people repeating the same posts.
He aint worth 80m
He improves the team though
Why didn't we buy last year
Is xxxx (stone,simon etc) reliable.
Maybe people could stick to something new so every pop in here isn't sifting through 3 pages of the above
The whole thread is basically people repeating the same posts.
He aint worth 80m
He improves the team though
Why didn't we buy last year
Is xxxx (stone,simon etc) reliable.
Maybe people could stick to something new so every pop in here isn't sifting through 3 pages of the above
He can charm the pants of any girl at a World Cup by leaning over the advertising board, for this alone! Sign him up!
I wasn't disagreeing with you, I think you're right about Smalling. Signing a mobile DM sounds like too much sense for us
then again we were supposedly after Longstaff so maybe we're still looking for one.Someone posted few quotes from Ferdinand thread, when he was signed. Few were questioning the player and the fee.
Lazy fecker.
Hold on, poor man’s John Stones?!
What have I just read?Stones is absolute fecking shite. Get your Everton blinkers off, it’s 2019.
Not many people even heard some of these names. It's not the level of defenders we need at Manchester United - what we need are players who are much, much better than this.
Can see this dragging on another couple of days while Leicester sort out a replacement first. I don’t think he will be coming in today for a medical though until the fee is officially agreed
Could do with someone doing a Find My iPhone on him that'll get us to the truth
I don't think he's way better though. AWB was in the top five fullbacks in the league last season, Maguire probably was too.
You keep stating all your opinions as facts, so it's impossible to have a reasoned debate with you.
Do people realise that a club the size of Manchester United can't go around taking punts on certain players in the same way that Leicester can?
You also have to factor in that he probably wouldn't have developed in the same way at United than he has at Leicester. The game time he has been afforded has helped him to come on leaps and bounds.
I don't disagree with any of that. Maguire is probably our best option at the moment but his fee is nuts which doesn't exactly help matters. I don't rate him remotely as highly as some on here seem to but he'd instantly be our best defender which still counts for something. That's what I said in my original post.
So The Sun report everyone seems to be taking as gospel said he will have his medical today.
Exactum!
It's so tedious reading all the posts saying we're a disgrace for missinh x and y years back.
Ignoring that there's no guarantee they'd be anything like the same player for us.
And informing that the punts we've taken in the same timescale didn't necessarily go excellently
Shaw is OK- nothing more and nothing less. He's also already injured in pre season with a hamstring issues what is going to happen if he get injured during the season? There's a long season coming up with potential 50 games why shouldn't we search for competition? Tierny is available for like 25m-30m and better than all these makeshift options you listed. We should have at least two good players in every position , not players like Young and Darmian.
He'd have been our best defender in the last two seasons easily. He'd have probably played more games for us than he did for Leicester.
I don't think its a luxury. Young needs to be fully ousted imo.
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Don't know about medical but he is 1/12 for United in Skybet and 1/9 in some others. I believe this will happen and sooner rather than later. Done dealio.
He’s still with Leicester for pre-season. Won’t happen today definitely
This is a matter of time it seems, this is a deal that suits all parties.
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