Wonder if Harry kept a rolled up €20 note up his arse, a la Jay from the inbetweeners.
Saying that, I can imagine Harry swanning around Mykonos in his Pussay Patrol T-Shirt...
Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending
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Saying that, I can imagine Harry swanning around Mykonos in his Pussay Patrol T-Shirt...
he's on holiday enjoying a night out, not engaging in human trafficking or buying a kilo of cocaine. It's reasonable to assume you can go out in a country where you're less likely to be recognized and not get into any trouble.One of the reasons it's being dismissed is because video evidence of the altercation was not permitted as part of the defense. Also, granting only 2 hours to prepare a defense after charges were pressed then rejecting an extension, this is questionable.
This objectively does not reflect well on the Greek judicial system. It does not sound like due process was served.
According to the police he wasn't that drunk. Why would someone who isn't drunk and isn't a compete cnut attack police officers?
There hasn't been tape of it released, there is more to the story than what we know and we should wait for the evidence to come out because the trial doesn't seem fair if the charges were changed 2 hours before and the evidence was only submitted at that time so the defence did not have a chance to review and formulate an actual legal defence.
Is there an official transcript from the court case? In most countries these are publicly available even for the lowest tiers of courts. It should contain some more details. I would argue that it is two completely different things to assault a police officer undercover and a policeman in uniform. Some reports claim that all the policemen involved in the incident were at work undercover that night.
Also, kinda strange no interviews/statements from some of the spectators have not surfaced yet. This is such a high profile case now that you would believe some of the spectators would have been interviewed by now.
Here is a really good link to https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/Headline/Harry-Maguire-is-found-GUILTY-of-ALL-charges/2426535 that contains a lot of smaller details. The article leans mostly in maguires favour.
Also, kinda strange no interviews/statements from some of the spectators have not surfaced yet. This is such a high profile case now that you would believe some of the spectators would have been interviewed by now.
Here is a really good link to https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/Headline/Harry-Maguire-is-found-GUILTY-of-ALL-charges/2426535 that contains a lot of smaller details. The article leans mostly in maguires favour.
There has to be cctv evedence in the police station, so where is it?
Probably with the Stamford Bridge tape of Evra attacking the groundsman
Everything is questionable. But still, Greece has to comply with european law, it's not Saudi Arabia we're talking about. As long as we don't know the details of each ruling, there's no way to assert it was a kafkaesque trial.
Remember that a significant part of your information comes from Maguire's lawyer, it's heavily biased.
Yet 99% of the Greek population thinks that the police are corrupt, and theirs was the primary evidence used at trial...
For the 10th time, when you want to benefit from corruption, you don't put a high profile football player on trial, it doesn't make any sense.
I'm more used to things being dragged out for months or even years in the UK I guess. This just seemed really quick, particularly the two hours notice.
My only knowledge of Greek processes and procedures is from the Greek woman I sit next to at work tbh and she is scathing about it.
Wouldn't surprise me if Greece, Spain, Amsterdam had fast-track courts to deal with English yobs though. Our reputation certainly proceeds us.
The court is independent of the police.
Obviously the crime is nowhere near as indefensible as what Suarez did, but yeah, this is quite good insight into what the thought processes of the Liverpool fans must have been at that time.
I noted in a previous post on this subject that the trial result does not have a consequence for the club and yet it might. We now have for the present a player who has criminal convictions which may cause him to be refused entry into countries where the club in the coming season may be playing also this same also applies to England games.
If his appeal fails and the convictions stand then this will place the club in a difficult position, because will sponsors want to be associated with said player and club. At present I think nothing will change until his appeal is heard, however, if it comes to the crunch where the club keep the player or lose sponsorship then I am sure Woodward will ensure that he is gone.
If his appeal fails and the convictions stand then this will place the club in a difficult position, because will sponsors want to be associated with said player and club. At present I think nothing will change until his appeal is heard, however, if it comes to the crunch where the club keep the player or lose sponsorship then I am sure Woodward will ensure that he is gone.
Agree with alot of what you say.
One sensible strategy for a famous and marketable person like him is to demand an appeal, knowing he'll likely lose, and after the lost appeal, still maintain his innocence, no matter what the court declared. It's still his word against a 'corrupt third world' court, hence maintaining a veneer of innocence. Of course there is always the chance other 'influences' can turn the appeal in his favour, especially when he has Manchester United and other forces in his favour.
I'm also puzzled at exactly what the Greek Police or Judicial system has done to be 'corrupt' - I cant see how they win out of this.
But like all courts it will be institutionally biased towards the word of authority
So for you, Maguire does that as a temporary PR stunt, and because he's stubborn? I hear your clients ask you to do it but why I don't understand is this: in my case, my lawyer tells me my chances and often, would dissuade me. I just had a case where I was 100% certain to win and the other party didn't even both going through legal proceedings as they knew it was a lost cause once they talked to their lawyer. You're telling me that despite those circumstances, people would still go to trial? Maybe, but I find it unlikely. Maguire has a certain character, and for 26 years or so, has not drawn attention of any sort in that regard. That he's suddenly a prick is a bit surprising. Not impossible, but very unlikely.
Yeah, that's my position atm, i don't see what's in it for them. They'll face the best lawyers money can afford, they'll have all the papers in england digging for anywrondoing (even in past cases involving these cops/judges), it's like the opposite of what you're supposed to do if you want to get away with corruption.
But why do you assume getting away is the only thing they want? Police are human too. They can be stubborn, they can do it as a PR stunt... if they got pissed off by Maguire for whatever reason, they can also push the trial to show him that they "rule" over there. If they want to hurt Maguire personally, and make sure his career is "done", well, that's the way to do it.
I'm not saying that, i'm just listing possibilities, and i specifically said it's totally possible he didn't do anythng wrong. But we're talking about a high profile case here, 50% of the job is PR management and you need to find a way to taint the proceedings as much as possible. Instantly appealing shows confidence and helps in order to get out of this news cycle. Sometimes the client or his PR team asks for an appeal, sometimes it's the lawyer that suggests it as a strategy, there's a lot of different variables here and I have no way to assert what's what. Also, i wouldn't dare to try to analyze Maguire's personnality.
This.. I don't understand why greece is still the destination for any super stars to spend their holiday, especially during this pandemic period. It's a wonderful place, but you have to read the situation before you decide to go there.
It's not that far fetched. Going for an appeal retains (part of) the benefit of the doubt for the current public debate and by the time it gets shot down we're into a new newscycle, people have moved on and the negative reaction won't be as strong.
It's possible yeah, but that would also mean that the court is in it as well. That would be very, VERY stupid because the judge(s) have to know their decision is going to start a sh*tstorm.
It's not about corruption in my view.
The most likely chain of events for me based on the current info is that:
Incident with the alleged drugging happens and there is a scuffle
Plain clothed police break up the fight and only see the second part of the scuffle so assume its drunk English louts
Maguires try to go to the hospital but the police tell the van driver to take them to the police station
They do not tell them that they are about to be arrested in case they leave the van
Once the van arrives the plain clothed police officers there are ready for them and pounce once they leave the van
In confusion and due to the tension of the incident at the bar the Maguires fight back until they identify themselves as police
The police act like bitches and don't accept responsibility for the confusion and the Maguires dont apologise so they press charges and add in the embelishments to embarrass him
The prosecutor supports the police and pulls a dirty trick in withholding info about the case until the last moment
The magistrate/ judge takes the word of the police, as they tend to do
This makes the most sense to me but obviously we have no evidence so could be completely wrong and we'll have to wait and see.
The most likely chain of events for me based on the current info is that:
Incident with the alleged drugging happens and there is a scuffle
Plain clothed police break up the fight and only see the second part of the scuffle so assume its drunk English louts
Maguires try to go to the hospital but the police tell the van driver to take them to the police station
They do not tell them that they are about to be arrested in case they leave the van
Once the van arrives the plain clothed police officers there are ready for them and pounce once they leave the van
In confusion and due to the tension of the incident at the bar the Maguires fight back until they identify themselves as police
The police act like bitches and don't accept responsibility for the confusion and the Maguires dont apologise so they press charges and add in the embelishments to embarrass him
The prosecutor supports the police and pulls a dirty trick in withholding info about the case until the last moment
The magistrate/ judge takes the word of the police, as they tend to do
This makes the most sense to me but obviously we have no evidence so could be completely wrong and we'll have to wait and see.
Yeah, that is some quality editing of my post to make it look like that is all I was doing. You should apply for a position with trump, while you still can.
The next sentence in my post said:
"I really don't know the guy but my perception of him makes this totally out of character so I am going to give him the benefit of doubt until the appeal has gone through".
If you can't agree that there are several questionable things in regards to this whole scenario then we can agree to disagree. Personally, I have seen nothing from the guy that makes me question his integrity. I have seen, read and heard lots of things that would make me question the Greek judicial system's integrity.
Seems like you have heard everything you need to, to make up your mind. I have heard enough to feel like there are still questions to be answered so I am going to give him the benefit of doubt until the appeal has gone through.
You do realize I was refering to....well as i wrote in my post, "many people". So it means I wasn't editing your message specifically. You said some discount the fact the cops could be corrupt, I said i've seen as many if not (far) more dismissing the court's decision because since it's in greece, it has to be corrupt.
I may be clutching at straws but surely Mykonos being a popular place for rich tourists means they won't like being painted as a shady place where women get stabbed/injected by thugs not being able to attend the hospital?
Isn't it better to blame the drunk foreigners?
Just trying to find what's to win for whom.
Isn't it better to blame the drunk foreigners?
Just trying to find what's to win for whom.
Clearly not in this case, given that the police gave evidence at trial.
Good read this thread, we only need now someone to connect this whole thing with Russia somehow.
It does make sense. If Maguire refused to pay a bribe then he would face this exact consequence... Trial and verdict.
So the police or the court would take the risk to see their attempted bribary exposed to the world? I don't buy it unless they're absolute morons.
Those date rape drugs are fecking scary.
I hate nightclubs, always have always will. A few years ago I was dragged out to one by my Mrs and her sister. All was fine, they were dancing, I was bored looking at my phone and it was almost closing time. Then suddenly her sister who hadn't previously seemed overly drunk was suddenly utterly incoherent and basically useless. I had to basically carry her home and pull her up the stairs because she wasn't capable of climbing them. she hadnt the first clue what was going on and anyone could have done anything and she would have known nothing about it. Don't like to think what would have happened if she had been on her own.
If Maguire's sister really was drugged I don't blame him at all for kicking off and he is 100% right to be outraged by how the authories have handled this.
It is only his side of story, but It would be a hell of a bold move for a public figure like Maguire to make up a date rape drug and drag his sister into it to get out of something which was always going to end in a suspended sentence or fine.
I hate nightclubs, always have always will. A few years ago I was dragged out to one by my Mrs and her sister. All was fine, they were dancing, I was bored looking at my phone and it was almost closing time. Then suddenly her sister who hadn't previously seemed overly drunk was suddenly utterly incoherent and basically useless. I had to basically carry her home and pull her up the stairs because she wasn't capable of climbing them. she hadnt the first clue what was going on and anyone could have done anything and she would have known nothing about it. Don't like to think what would have happened if she had been on her own.
If Maguire's sister really was drugged I don't blame him at all for kicking off and he is 100% right to be outraged by how the authories have handled this.
It is only his side of story, but It would be a hell of a bold move for a public figure like Maguire to make up a date rape drug and drag his sister into it to get out of something which was always going to end in a suspended sentence or fine.
I've never seen any newspaper expose any wrong doing while they can exploit a negative story about a popular celebrity.
Greece is in economic crisis for almost 10 years and still far from recovery, we have no idea how hard for their people to survive.
I know we have to respect the prosecutors, but everything is make sense in a crisis.
The police clearly don't care about bribery being exposed to the world when it is common knowledge/perception amongst their own population that bribery is a cultural part of the police force. Also, what they are exposing to the world is the fact that they supposedly didn't accept a bribe.
If the police and court acted in a fair and just way, I hope Maguire faces the full wrath of the law. However, there are a few questions that remain outstanding about due process and the judicial system in this case.
Nope. You tagged my post, edited it and directed your reply to me. You were obviously including me in with the "at least as many people". Disingenuous is the word that applies here.
There is no reason to edit/shorten peoples posts, like you have done again, unless you have an agenda. If there is a specific part you want to address try highlighting, like I have done, and make your point. Otherwise, you are manipulating the narrative.
Oly Francis is as corrupt as his club owners and the Greek judicial system
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Not so much that Maguire refused to pay a bribe but that he didn't offer to pay one. That's how a shakedown works. Put someone in a compromising situation and hope that they'll offer to buy their way out of it.
It still remains eminently interesting that the other parties in the brawl weren't apprehended or even questioned, just allowed to go on their merry way. Why is that?
I think I believe Maguire side of the story here. Just for the fact if he wanted to lie, there are probably a dozen more believable excuses to be presented.
And coming from a country that's also a destination for westerners, cops over here see the mighty dollar/euro whenever they see overseas tourists.
And coming from a country that's also a destination for westerners, cops over here see the mighty dollar/euro whenever they see overseas tourists.
That’s a good point to be honest. Having your sister stabbed with a drug needle by some Albanian gangsters is a fecking far fetched lie if so
Although, he’d still be guilty of the bribing and sounds like he actually did attack/defend himself against some local coppers. I think the belief of his story only clears up the moral aspect.
That’s a good point to be honest. Having your sister stabbed with a drug needle by some Albanian gangsters is a fecking far fetched lie if so
If people found out he lied about that the consequences would be much more severe than they would be for getting into a drunken fight on holiday.
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