Looking at the replay you can see Maguire raising his hand and looking to the referee instead of closing on Rice to block the shot. Also instead of protecting the nearer post he moves to the center which was already crowded. He basically took himself out of play. As dumb as it gets.
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Yep, It was a bit of a horror show for him. Good in the air, but our whole style of play broke down with him. Was on another wavelength to everyone, so he's gonna need to fix up sharp as he'll probably be getting a lot of game time.
We've seen enough of Maguire to know what he offers. That's him may get slightly better but will never be a top defender he has too many flaws and is way too slow to improve at this point of his career.
The fact is he cheered onto the pitch by the Arsenal fans tell you all you need to know.
He always gives impression of someone at risk of falling into the toilet every time he wipes his own arse. I'd sooner play a kid from the u18s than this guy.
Did nothing wrong.
People judge his performances by the image created of him by idiots on Twitter. The reality is obviously a lot better than that, but for some reason they think it's more fun to use him as a stupid punchline rather than supporting a Manchester United player who would play better if he had that support.
"Reputation ahead of performances" is probably the number one reason United have been as bad as we have been the last decade.
His long passing ability played a big part in getting Rasmus into the game and turning Arsenal around in the last 20 minutes.
People judge his performances by the image created of him by idiots on Twitter. The reality is obviously a lot better than that, but for some reason they think it's more fun to use him as a stupid punchline rather than supporting a Manchester United player who would play better if he had that support.
"Reputation ahead of performances" is probably the number one reason United have been as bad as we have been the last decade.
His long passing ability played a big part in getting Rasmus into the game and turning Arsenal around in the last 20 minutes.
I agree, he was alright for most parts, except for Rice's goal, he should have attacked rice and attempted to block him instead of rising his hands, Martinez would've have launched at Rice, so would Varane, and probably others too, but Maguire chose to focus on the tussle between Evans & Gabriel instead on focusing on the play!!
His mistake, was costly, even if it was just one mistake, it is still costly.
Not a mistake. There was a teammate between him and the ball. Maguire shouldn't be crossing in front of Evans to close down the man. If defenders did that every time an opponent was on the ball, it would be positional suicide.
Incidentally, Martinez could have done something similar for the first goal when it was Casemiro between him and Martinelli before the cross to Odegaard. But he didn't because that would have been the wrong positional move.
We can only call these decisions "wrong" in hindsight because we know what happens next. For what it's worth. Maguire would have blocked the shot if not for the Evans deflection. So you could just as easily that Evans shouldn't have stuck his foot out. But that's not how football works.
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9 times out of 10 the CB in front, in this case Evans closes down the ball and the keeper has the right goalpost covered. There should be very little risk. The best odds for Rice was other side, either cross or shoot. Where Maguire was covering. Even Dalot who was on the line right where the goal went in seconds before moves to keepers left. Even WB. All the defenders were covering Onanas left. The fact that Evans was blocked then it nicked him and then went in the one position where it was hard for Oanana to get to, even off the post was a freak goal. In fact if it didnt nick Evans it would have hit Maguire. I don't see how Maguire get the blame for that. He was playing percentages. Yet people think he should have barged Evans out the way or stood in front of Onana? Nonsense.
It tells me people are idiots who live in a world of meme culture and that they're bigger idiots than a guy who came on as an injury replacement as our 4th, arguably 5th, choice CB and did just fine.
What does it tell you?
He could've literally just taken 1 step forward and Rice would've been not able to make the shot the way he made, Rice spotted the gap and went for it, and Maguire should've just blocked it, no one was in his way and Evans was tussling with Gabriel but he was not impeding the path of Maguire.
Below image is the moment Rice was about to shoot, just one step forward and Rice is blocked from the angle.
He was fine. I'm not his biggest fan, but trying to blame him for the goal / defeat is some crazy impressive mental gymnastics.
This image is nonsense. Right behind Maguire is Dalot who was stood right at that post seconds before and is moving to the right side. Onana is moving to cover that post. Evans is going to the ball. Rice isnt shooting to that gap. He isnt even looking at the goal. He's spinning around. If it never nicked Evans it would have gone the other side of Onana. This is all in seconds. You can freeze and screenshot at any point to show people not in position. Onana is not in position in this shot, Evans isnt, Dalot isnt. Its because its a transition moment. You have to actually give them time to move
That red line is exactly where he was supposed to be stood, considering Evans couldn't be there! Imagine if he'd vacated the red line!
If Maguire had been stood towards the right post and allowed the middle of the net open, that would have been mistake.
People would have blamed him for failing to put his body in the way of a clear shot on the centre of the goal - and in that case, they would have been right.
As it was, he was correctly blocking the most dangerous part of the goal-line he could.
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Yeah he is a joke for the whole league. He should be allowed collect his precious wage and watch from the stands. Pointless playing him.
That red line is exactly where he was supposed to be stood, considering Evans couldn't be there! Imagine if he'd vacated the red line!
If Maguire had been stood towards the right post and allowed the middle of the net open, that would have been mistake.
People would have blamed him for failing to put his body in the way of a clear shot on the centre of the goal - and in that case, they would have been right.
As it was, he was correctly blocking the most dangerous part of the goal-line he could.
Disagree, the point is not about positioning or where to be, but about going at a player attempting a shot, who was not that far away from Maguire, pretty close, literally couple of steps away, had he gotten tighter to him it would limited Rice, even Evans managed to get close to Rice while tussling with Gabriel and had he been a second earlier Evans would have blocked the shot, but he had to contend with Gabriel, Maguire on the other hand had a free run at Rice and he just stood there, and remember this is a set-piece, plenty of players covering the middle of the goal by the virtue of just being there anyway to defend a set-piece, this was not an open play with a 3v2 or 2v2 situation where you might be better of positioning yourself instead of going tight on a player.
On the bolded, Maguire had time to raise his hands but no time to just run at Rice from that short distance? really?
The gap was obvious and Rice went for it, it was not accurate shot but his intent was obvious and he got lucky with the deflection on Evans, who had to tussle with Gabriel to get to Rice, Maguire had a clear view of the danger and could have taken an action to move to block, I mean, we have seen in such situations, especially in tight areas in the box and near the six yards, where 2 or 3 players attempt to block someone from shooting, Maguire could've still gone to block rather than just wait for Evans to go and then raise his hands to complain.
These players have done this over and over again, just zero positinal sense and awareness of danger. It's awful defending all over.
Dalot the bellend shouldn't have moved away from the near post. They both shuffle to the left and leave it wide open, when one should be rushing out to block the shot and one staying to protect the post.
Maguire he should be seeing that ball coming across and either throwing himself to block the shot or at least be close enough to make a block. But nope, stand there and take a step to the left and leave the near post wide open.
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Nonsense. He had time to put his hand up because A) he was in the position he was supposed to be and B) it takes a second to raise a hand. This is not how football is played. One man goes to the ball and the other covers. Evans went to the ball. You are thinking of things happening in seconds. Oh he could have gone to Rice then ran back then went over there and then there. There was seconds. He cant do everything in seconds. He moved from the right where he was originally and covers Evans. That was what he was supposed to do. This is blatant agenda against Maguire.
The fk up is our Zonal marking. Arsenal overloaded our back post all game. The Manager and team should have sorted this out way earlier. It was coming all game
my goodness, it is really hard to explain the same thing several times. yes, he initially was in a good position, then the ball got to rice who had time to control ball, bit awkwardly at that, and then went to shoot, no body is saying Maguire has to be up in Rice's face, but he could have moved a step forward simply just to put a body in the path of the shot, no one said he needs to do too many things, just a simple move, Evans attempted to go but Gabriel impeded him, so Maguire could've just stepping in there and didn't have to worry about who's behind him because it was a set piece and many players were already present.
and please, I am discussing in good faith here, I would have made the same exact comments if it was anyone else, this is not some bs agenda you think it is, and I am not one one of those who criticize just to criticize, I am sharing an opinion and you can disagree with it without accusing me of something that isn't there.
And why wasn't there a player on the goal line like in most corners? And what the hell is Dalot doing behind the CB and in front of Onana? Not sure how are you able to pin this moment on Maguire, because he raised his hand to protest an obvious ref mistake?
His body was in the way of the shot. It took a deflection off Evans. Should he have been in the position to put his body in front of the deflection?
Sorry but if you point out the player with smallest failure that wasnt even a mistake in that whole sequence then it does seem like an agenda. There are loads of other reasons for that goal.
I don't like Maguire but Arsenal fans should focus on the 65million they spent on Havertz who was horrendous yesterday.
Not really
I’ve blamed Maguire for many things but it takes some special disdain for the guy to blame him for this goal. He was where he was meant to be.
I have just watched that Rice goal in 0.25 speed on Youtube, you guys protecting Maguire are all crazy. As soon as Rice takes the ball down and he can see Evans is being blocked (I assume thats why he raised his hand) He should have charged out to Rice.
All of this chat about he is where he is supposed to be is useless. Its about reacting to danger and situations as they develop.
All of this chat about he is where he is supposed to be is useless. Its about reacting to danger and situations as they develop.
I think this is quite specific criticism though - he has milliseconds to react and I don't think that aggression is part of his game. Licha for example would throw himself at that but Maguire isn't really doing much wrong. He was ok yesterday, I think we all know his level now and yesterday he played above that which was good for our 3rd/4th choice CB. The more I think about yesterday I think the refs decided the game, it was actually quite even when you look at actual chances.
There is a clear foul on Evans for Rice's goal and it is a clear penalty on Hojlund.
Agree completely. I've been against the Maguire hate but he was shite for that goal.
Also nowhere for Saka's good chance. Never comes to the rescue, useless.
The only thing he did obviously wrong to me was not using Onana as much as our other CBs were willing to do. There were a couple of occasions when he could have passed back but didn't and ended up hitting a hopeful ball forward. Considering we should have been doing everything possible to retain possession and slow the game down that was a pretty terrible thing for a former captain to do. Although giving it back to Onana just means he can expect to get it back again. And he's obviously so broken by everything that's gone on he just doesn't want to be on the ball any more than the bare minimum. Which is a disaster considering that's supposed to be one of his main strengths.
I am no HM-Fan, but this is getting ridiculous. He did absolutely okay yesterday. In hindsight everyone is Pele, Maradon or Beckenbauer. I gave him a 6.
Honestly he didn't have enough time to be really good or bad. The Leicester duo and Dalot had a mind fart on that corner but we also conceded last time on a joke corner without those CBs present so...
I get he's a potential liability with errors but he's absolutely our 4th choice CB specialist at least until Shaw gets better or McTominay is put there to do a few shifts.
Seems you didn’t see the goal, the ‘angle’ you’re on about was caused by it hitting Evans foot, Rice kicked it across the goal, it deflected badly off Evans foot. Onana was going on the direction of the ball and it then went the other way off Evans foot. Regardless of this, the goal kick that should have been awarded ended up being a corner, another error by an official. But let’s all blame certain players.
Here’s a video that shows it very clearly…
https://youtube.com/shorts/OL5428b3bRo?si=p_uaCnDEVXTEt4WO
I thought he used the ball well. There was one excellent switch of play to the left and he played a couple of balls into channels for Hojlund. Unsurprisingly he didn’t take any risks in his first match of the season at 1-1 against Arsenal.
It was good to have a bit of controlled long passing as Arsenal were pressing more than earlier and the passing back to Onana earlier had generally just resulted in a bit of passing and then someone aimlessly booting possession away.
I remember that switch pass. It was quality. But was the wrong period in the game to try and speed things up with progressive passing from deep. If we could have managed to do “a bit of passing” a few times in the closing minutes we could have got away with a point. It takes a lot of self belief to pass the ball around at the back under pressure so I’m not annoyed at him. It’s just unfortunate. He has zero self belief at the moment. And that cost us. If anything, I blame the fans who boo him.
Oh, I don’t disagree but I thought he did pass it around a fair bit at the back and looked fairly confident for someone who hasn’t played at all and is under enormous pressure. Maybe not as much as Lindelof and Martinez had done but he did have Jonny Evans as a partner for the last 20 mins or so, who must have equally been very nervous. It didn’t feel to me as though we invited unnecessary pressure, given we had our 4th and 6th CB pairing on the pitch.
Instead of closing on Rice he chose to raise his hand and wait. He did everything wrong.
How'd he do against Ukraine.
He was good, as he has mostly been for England.
In a CB pair?
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