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Gotta love Harry. He's an emotional player and you can see he's still going through it. We need to support him, not try to bring him down with boos and insults. Support our players!

Feck that.

What he is, is emotionally dumb.

Read the room son.
The coach removed the captaincy from you, the fans boo you, the internet of the world is having laugh each time you make a mistake which is every 30 minutes you play....

Just go somewhere the spotlight isn't on you and try to play football again.

Everything else is just being daft.
 
At this point I feel sorry for him, but at the same time it's time to quit Harry. At times it's OK to quit and this is one of those time. I don't see it getting better. Once the season commence he wouldn't get any minutes, go play at West Ham that's how he can redeem himself.
 
Poor guy, needs to be put down like old yeller.

By put down I mean sold.
 
It beggars belief how much money was played for this player; serious incompetence in recruitment.

All I can remember about this player is his gormless facial expressions, face down when speaking during interviews (emmm), rubbish performances, and "they was hittin' me legs".
 
I feel bad for him because he hasn't deserved half of the abuse and vitriol for his performances, which yes has been poor. Having said that, I think his form is almost at the point of no return now. He's not even making 'bad' mistakes. It's mostly just sloppy play but he's almost getting a 100% punish rate; if you don't laugh, you'll cry kinda stuff.
He’s a tactical inlet for the opposition; press and corral until he is left to make quick decisions and the likelihood of a mistake that can turn a game increases exponentially. That game-changing mistake is something he is good for, which makes everyone nervous. Is it sustainable? Should it be sustainable?
 
Feck that.

What he is, is emotionally dumb.

Read the room son.
The coach removed the captaincy from you, the fans boo you, the internet of the world is having laugh each time you make a mistake which is every 30 minutes you play....

Just go somewhere the spotlight isn't on you and try to play football again.

Everything else is just being daft.
You act like it's his decision to stay or not at this point. The club will never release him because of ffp which also dictates his value. If another club isn't offering what United wants it's not Maguires fault. His statements also mean nothing. It's not like he's going to come out and say the club sucks or whatever whilst we still employ him.
 
How only can watch that perfomace and not see it funny is beyond me.
 
The poor bloke needs a transfer, we should just accept West Ham's 20m bid and move on.
 
He’s a tactical inlet for the opposition; press and corral until he is left to make quick decisions and the likelihood of a mistake that can turn a game increases exponentially. That game-changing mistake is something he is good for, which makes everyone nervous. Is it sustainable? Should it be sustainable?

Based on what we've seen of his career at Utd, I don't think his last 18-24 months is the 'standard' of his ability and the mistake-to-being-punish rate, which as I've said before is laughably high. So if he can find his form and confidence back then yes it's 'sustainable' but that's not going to happen here or be good enough for us period, so please Moyes, do us a favour.
 
Nice header for the assist. Otherwise so slow and cumbersome in the first half, awful pass leading up to their goal. Not bad in the second half, when he didn’t have to defend and they had 10 players.
 
The poor bloke needs a transfer, we should just accept West Ham's 20m bid and move on.

I dont get the narrative and sympathy for him personally as every interview you see of him....he seems to talk himself up with the "nothing to prove" "give my all" etc etc comments. He still seems to see a future here which is quite bizarre.

The blunt truth is we spent £80m on a decent defender when there were many better options at the time for half the price but we wanted to go British it appeaered and we are giving the guy nigh on £1m every single month for terrible performances.

Seriously couldnt waste money so badly if you hired Hanson COncrete to make you a trampoline
 
Based on what we've seen of his career at Utd, I don't think his last 18-24 months is the 'standard' of his ability and the mistake-to-being-punish rate, which as I've said before is laughably high. So if he can find his form and confidence back then yes it's 'sustainable' but that's not going to happen here or be good enough for us period, so please Moyes, do us a favour.
There are a lot of mistakes he makes that don't get punished though, he does a decent number of them per game.
 
He can't handle the responsibility Ten Hag demands of defenders nor the pressure of playing for United. He'd be a perfectly decent CB at West ham. Him and Moyes would be a great fit together
 
A serious question:

Instead of playing Maguire as a defender, can we try him as a striker? He seems to have an eye for goal.
 
Based on what we've seen of his career at Utd, I don't think his last 18-24 months is the 'standard' of his ability and the mistake-to-being-punish rate, which as I've said before is laughably high. So if he can find his form and confidence back then yes it's 'sustainable' but that's not going to happen here or be good enough for us period, so please Moyes, do us a favour.
Regarding sustainability. It’s not just Maguire that refers to - it’s the entire backline and team for which his mistakes take a toll and make everyone around him unsettled and nervous as they anticipate his next blunderous action, which causes a chain reaction in itself.

He has a nervous, almost sheepish disposition on the pitch most likely because his confidence is shot, but any good manager, and any cunning player will know to hover around him and harangue because that really bad mistake he’s going to make per game is looming over him like bad juju…

What’s bothersome with Maguire is his slate never seems to clean; this is a new season and a fresh preseason and he’s carrying his nerves and mistakes over from the last term like we’ve just run-on from May. Today was only preseason wrapping up and yet the mistakes were all too familiar, standard fare for the player. Normally, you’d not read much into preseason, but this is a continuation, a continuation you’d have to be a fool to not expect to carryover to the season proper. The same can be said of Dalot and AWB and their brain farts, but not with such assurance as Maguire. For me, it’s simply not sustainable, but we’ll see what the manager thinks, should Maguire remain. I suspect he’s dead last in our CB picking order now.
 
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He'd be the slowest, less mobile, less agile striker in the PL
I hope this is Maguire’s last game in a Utd shirt. I’d rather see Evans start than Maguire, I’d rather see Evans on the bench over Maguire, it’s time for him to leave. Maguire will not suit the system with Onana because mistakes like that will result in conceded goals. Dalot did it as well against Lens. The back four have got to be good in possession.
 
There are a lot of mistakes he makes that don't get punished though, he does a decent number of them per game.

Everyone player makes mistakes, I'm just saying I don't think it's likely that his current rate of basically almost every other mistake leading to a conceded goal is going to continue.

Regarding sustainability. It’s not just Maguire that refers to - it’s the entire backline and team for which his mistakes take a toll and make everyone around him unsettled and nervous as they anticipate his next blunderous action, which causes a chain reaction in itself.

He has a nervous, almost sheepish disposition on the pitch most likely because his confidence is shot, but any good manager, and any cunning player will know to hover around him and harangue because that really bad mistake he’s going to make per game is looming over him like bad juju…

What’s bothersome with Maguire is his slate never seems to clean; this is a new season and a fresh preseason and he’s carrying his nerves and mistakes over from the last term like we’ve just run-on from May. Today was only preseason wrapping up and yet the mistakes were all too familiar, standard fare for the player. Normally, you’d not read much into preseason, but this is a continuation, a continuation you’d have to be a fool to not expect to carryover to the season proper. The same can be said of Dalot and AWB and their brain farts, but not with such assurance as Maguire. For me, it’s simply not sustainable, but we’ll see what the manager thinks, should Maguire remain. I suspect he’s dead last in our CB picking order now.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you said and I think it's absolutely best for both parties to go separate ways. At for the slate never being clean, we only have to look at Rashford and Sancho, both players who have suffered terrible form, to the point of even their most ardent sympathisers have almost given up on them, you can see there's a lot similarity to the hugh disparity of form. For Maguire it's somewhere in the middle; he's not horrendous and he's not elite for the football we want play. The issue with Maguire is that his confidence is shot AND he's not getting games to find that rhythm. If he can move to a club that will play him game in, game out with less scrutiny, he can definitely be a player worth keeping for said club. It's just not at Utd.
 
I would rather play him upfront than at the back.
 
Stolen from a guy on reddit, but he's on point:

Yes, Harry leaving will be best for both sides, but the reaction is quite funny compared to yesterday. Against Lens, we gave up a goal under less pressure, and everyone's response was playing out from the back is high risk high reward. Sometimes you're going to give one away. It's part of the process. Today, people are defending booing your own players in a friendly.
 
Stolen from a guy on reddit, but he's on point:

Yes, Harry leaving will be best for both sides, but the reaction is quite funny compared to yesterday. Against Lens, we gave up a goal under less pressure, and everyone's response was playing out from the back is high risk high reward. Sometimes you're going to give one away. It's part of the process. Today, people are defending booing your own players in a friendly.
Every single player making individual mistakes has been dug out for it: Lindelof, Dalot, AWB and Maguire have all made terrible individual errors that led to goals and every one of them has had to carry that burden.

The Maguire issue is the above plus change as he's made more of those individual errors, over a longer period of time, than literally anybody else in the squad.

I don't know how those booing him expect to aid any kind of recovery - they have no intention, and just want him out, I wager - but the whole situation is toxic and is only going to get worse because Maguire can't help but give them fresh ammo. Perhaps it's chicken and egg... whatever it is, it's gone beyond the point of repair, I think.
 
Reports that West Ham are going back in.
Really hope we accept anything £25m above but can't see them accepting any less than £35m tbh.
 
Stolen from a guy on reddit, but he's on point:

Yes, Harry leaving will be best for both sides, but the reaction is quite funny compared to yesterday. Against Lens, we gave up a goal under less pressure, and everyone's response was playing out from the back is high risk high reward. Sometimes you're going to give one away. It's part of the process. Today, people are defending booing your own players in a friendly.
Maguire hasn't helped himself with some of his comments over the last few years. He keeps bigging himself up rather than recognising that he has made errors and wants to improve. The season with Ole and than Ragnick he was abysmal and still had the genius moment to come out with 'I have nothing to prove' comment which still irks me even today. Either prove it on the pitch or keep your mouth shut. He has made himself a target.
 
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We should have just took the 25m and accept our losses. Otherwise it could become toxic.
 
Handing Harry the armband did him no favors. He wasn’t emotionally mature enough to handle the pressure and he crumbled after what was a decent first season at OT.

Of course he’s not suited to ETH’s tactics, but his collapse began under Ole. I can’t be sure of the timeline now but it seems to me that it all fell apart soon after his antics in Greece.
 
Hopefully West Ham raise their offer to 30 million and we accept it. Maguire is 30 and has been a walking meme for a while now.

Time to cut our losses and move on.
 
We could've drew a line under the whole fecking mess, took the £20 million and moved on.

Instead, we kept an ageing, glacially slow error-prone meme on massive wages.
 
Handing Harry the armband did him no favors. He wasn’t emotionally mature enough to handle the pressure and he crumbled after what was a decent first season at OT.

Of course he’s not suited to ETH’s tactics, but his collapse began under Ole. I can’t be sure of the timeline now but it seems to me that it all fell apart soon after his antics in Greece.
Yeah for sure, it seems that whatever happened in Greece completely floored him. I remember someone saying at the time (might have been Mitten) footballers who play for United don't usually go to popular tourist destinations because it's foolish to do so, and that Maguire perhaps didn't fully understand the size of United or the weight of playing for United.
 
West Ham play Bournemouth, Chelsea and Brighton before the transfer window closes...could do with a few heavy defeats in the opening games to get some panic bids going.
 
Feck that.

What he is, is emotionally dumb.

Read the room son.
The coach removed the captaincy from you, the fans boo you, the internet of the world is having laugh each time you make a mistake which is every 30 minutes you play....

Just go somewhere the spotlight isn't on you and try to play football again.

Everything else is just being daft.
Yet Maguire was solid last season. People complain about playing out from the back with him but most just jump on the bandwagon.

Personally I think it’s a witch hunt and quite frankly some of our fanbase should be ashamed of themselves really.

Even if the guy does something good people just pretend like it didn’t happen.

It’s mass hysteria at this point which is why for his own sake he needs to leave. We get some clowns saying Evans should he signed instead as backup which is a car crash waiting to happen.

Same people wanting us to play a high line but let’s sign Evans he’ll do a job :wenger::lol:

If we get in a CB who can push Varane and Martinez for a starting spot I’m all for it then sell Maguire. Choice of him and Evans no brainer keep Maguire.
 
West Ham play Bournemouth, Chelsea and Brighton before the transfer window closes...could do with a few heavy defeats in the opening games to get some panic bids going.

‘Maguire can change a 5-0 to a 4-0. Now pay £30m.’

Slips off the tongue…
 
Stolen from a guy on reddit, but he's on point:

Yes, Harry leaving will be best for both sides, but the reaction is quite funny compared to yesterday. Against Lens, we gave up a goal under less pressure, and everyone's response was playing out from the back is high risk high reward. Sometimes you're going to give one away. It's part of the process. Today, people are defending booing your own players in a friendly.

On the surface, he's not wrong. And it's kind of sad to see the narrative change when the players involved happen to have different numbers on the back of their shirts. The opposition didn't target any of Onana, Varane or Maguire in their press. The trap, on both occasions, was set on the FB and both Dalot and AWB fell for it. There's no player in the last line of defence who wants to receive a square pass in a stationary position with an opposition player running straight at him, Maguire or whoever. Some can deal with it better than others (Licha, for example), but that doesn't make the initial choice of pass any better.

It's frustrating because Shaw, on the other side of the pitch, regularly shows them what to do when they hit a dead-end. If there's room to manoeuvre, use the keeper as a link player to safely switch sides. If you're really stuck on the sideline with no good options, try to either bounce the damn thing off an attacker to win a throw or lob it down the wide channel (and then turn to your teammates and start shouting at them). I'm saying this because we're going to be depending on Dalot/AWB a lot more than on Maguire during the course of the season.

The problem with Harry, in the context of take the hit now to reap the reward later, is that he has no redeeming qualities as a modern day centre-half. And it's not that he's cumbersome and very risk-averse. You can work around these things. His issue that he reacts to everything and he anticipates nothing, and this is probably why he feels so uncomfortable outside his comfort zone. Always late, always concerned about the space behind him and, as a result of these two, always afraid to play a pass through the lines. And i'm sorry to say it, but this is not the manager's problem. It's the player's. Some solutions, you have to find them on your own.

I remember the late Cruyff, when asked about how much he valued speed and technical ability, argued that football is a game played, first and foremost, in the head. The feet can only do what the brain tells them to do. The great Dutchman expanded on that by saying that the first name in every one of his "best xi" teams would be a certain midfielder who wasn't exceptionally gifted technically and he certainly wasn't fast enough to screen the defence. Why? Because he reads the game better than anyone else. That midfielder went on to become one of the best managers of all time.

Anyway, i don't think he'll go to WHU. I believe he was given assurances from Southgate that he will feature for England and he probably wants to wait until the summer with the hope that a good tournament with the NT will make better teams more interested. And truth be told, WHU look to be a mess internally at the moment.
 
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