Toxicity in the dressing room hasn't ended.
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Toxicity in the dressing room hasn't ended.
Did you actually read what was said? Obviously not. I will repeat what the link said and you tell me where Ronaldo was being selfish
"Ronaldo is reportedly upset with the 25% wage cut ALL THE PLAYERS received when MUFC didn't qualify for Champions League"
So I ask again...where in here does it suggest Ronaldo is being selfish? I shall be anxiously awaiting your reply
I don't know why he thinks everybody who criticizes Maguire watches Goldbridge stuff. It's weird. The only thing I know about goldbridge is he is annoying and he does match watch alongs on YouTube I think? Not sure whats the point. But anyway.
Don't remember him doing anything to prevent it. Im sure if he saw a clip on instagram of Law's backheel he would like it.
There was never anything that said that the "employee" doesn't deserve to have a pay cut. Just that he doesn't like it. And why would he? Of course he has nobody to blame but himself but that doesn't mean that he isn't going to like that he took a pay cut.
This is exactly that. Ronaldo has been reported to be upset that all the players took a paycut. Maguire liked the post signifying that he is upset too, as he should be. This doesn't mean that he's saying it's not fair. He's just saying that he agrees with Ronaldo and doesn't like it either. So this can be used as motivation to make sure that doesn't happen again. But because it is Maguire, rather than reading it for what it was, it has been spun to suggest that Maguire liking that Ronaldo has had to take a pay cut. This is just a small part of the agenda that is going against Maguire lead by Goldbridge and repeated by the muppets at thecaf
I haven’t even commented on Maguire & you’ve already positioned an argument that literally doesn’t exist from me. Good luck @bosnian_red
I see your point entirely. I honestly dislike my own fanbase more than our rivals at this point.He's not very bright this bloke is he? It's like every summer he forgets that he plays, and captains, for the most talked about football team in the world. Just stay at home and play scrabble for a few weeks, or feck off to America where no one know's who you are for a break and stay off social media.
Sticking up for a player fair play to you. Calling everyone a muppet who doesn't agree with you not so much.
That sentence is laughable given your witch-hunt for former club members
Where did I say Ronaldo was right? Why does everything have to be this person or that person? fecks sake. Its like Martial fans getting upset at Rashford doing well years ago. fecking fan boys in modern football, it's nauseating.
Ronaldo is selfish and only cares about himself, this was always known. Ronaldo is being a shitty teammate by not showing up to preseason and coming out just now with this wanting to leave bullshit. He could've done it months ago. He's disrupting the new coaching staff, the rebuild, the plan to out last season behind us.
Maguire is being petulant and bringing last season's dressing room issues onto social media just days after joining up for pre season. Clearly he's not over it. This despite being club captain, a responsibility where you have to be above everything and always represent what's best for the club no matter how you feel.
Both can feck off out of the club and we'd be better off for it. Primarily due to off pitch issues, but also in terms of what they bring on the pitch as well IMO. Neither suit what Ten Hag wants to do IMO. Neither are at a good age. Both need to be accommodated for severely, neither are good enough to be accommodated for to the extent that they need to be.
Crazy how anyone who criticizes Maguire is a Goldbridge stan 
It's not about criticizing Maguire at this point, I am not fan of the guy, I want him out of first team myself, but the constant abuse over every little thing he is getting at this point is ridiculous.
I mean I literally have no clue what Goldbridge said, you clearly do so I'll take your word for it that he shares my opinion on this instance for Maguire liking the post
You need to learn how to communicate with people is what it is. People can have different opinions. Resorting to insults because your buddy Maguire is being rightly criticized is incredibly childish.
It was a daft thing to have liked but considering he's now removed the like this doesn't strike me as something that a big deal needs to be made out of.
Fair enough. From my view, it’s more likely the whole mess from last season is due to Ronaldo joining us, mainly. It’s maybe unintentionally, I don’t know. I strongly think Maguire should still be our captain at least for this season. The incidence might just a unintentional mistake for whatever reason. I don’t read much from it.
We need to do better as a forum than to continue to bully one of our own players. First people are looking for reasons to blame him every time our opponent scores and now people are looking for reasons to hate on him for liking a post? Our fanbase is toxic
I'm not sure why this is a big deal as Maguire seems to be thick enough that he would like a picture on Instagram without actually knowing what it's about
I mean I literally have no clue what Goldbridge said, you clearly do so I'll take your word for it that he shares my opinion on this instance for Maguire liking the post
You need to learn how to communicate with people is what it is. People can have different opinions. Resorting to insults because your buddy Maguire is being rightly criticized is incredibly childish.
How is he being rightfully criticized? If he was being rightfully criticized, I wouldn't defend him. When he did the ear thing when on duty for England, I understood why he did it, but i didn't defend the backlash from it. In this instance he has done absolutely nothing wrong but people are looking for reasons to be upset with him. He literally agreed with Ronaldo that he didn't like that the players have to take a pay cut. That doesn't mean that he is showing dissent to the club. It just means he doesn't like that his team mates are getting paid less. Who would? But because it's Maguire it's being spun into "he likes that Ronaldo's pay his getting cut"
How is he bringing up last seasons dressing room crap on social media? Did you actually read what it said? It said that "Ronaldo is upset with the 25% pay cut ALL OF THE PLAYERS had to take for not making the Champions League." By "liking" it, he is saying that he agrees with Ronaldo and he doesn't like it either. But because it's Maguire, it's being spun as "Maguire liked that Ronaldo's wages are being cut". That's not what it said. Stop with the agenda...
Stop repeating what others tell you to think and I will stop calling you a muppet. Until that moment happens and you come up with a thought of your own rather than just repeating what others say, you will be a muppet
That sentence is laughable given your witch-hunt for former club members
I honestly don't even know what that means - not shocked to see you in the Maguire thread though
I don't think it's all on Ronaldo. I think it's more on the coaching staff and Ole tbh.
- Raised expectations after consecutive top 4 seasons. United can't just repeat that level every year and be happy. There has to be growth, progression, a jump to challenge. Ole knew a basic counter attacking style was never enough to challenge properly. He tried to change the system, didn't know how to coach it and implement it properly. We also had a big window. Ronaldo, Varane, Sancho on top of a 2nd place finish. The squad expected with am improved system that they would challenge. The system was poor, they got picked apart, confidence rapidly dropped as it became clear we weren't in a title challenge and were far off.
- Overly bloated squad. Ole didn't know what he wanted to do with depth. Most of our squad aren't problematic people IMO. But when you're promised a certain role and then don't get it, you'll be upset. We could've comfortably cut 5-6 players from our squad last season and literally see 0 difference in adequate coverage. This led to unhappy players, combined with a lack of rotation and point 1 bringing shit performances, a toxic dressing room as the coach can't even say it's working so why change.
Post Ole, IMO is down to Rangnicks status as interim (he's not that bad of a manager), the lack of quality in the coaching staff he brought in (literally MLS coaches which are lower league level), the Greenwood incident and competitive motivation (form pre and post CL exit was very different for example). By the end, we had a squad where 10 players knew they were gone so didn't care. But we were building up some decent form and decent performances until end of January, but then the Greenwood thing happened which of course is a huge disruption and suddenly left us short in attack (but loaded in other areas). We struggled the next few games but didnt play that badly, but you could tell something had changed. We did ok in the Atletico tie, but lost narrowly. After that, your left with a squad with nothing to play for essentially, a squad where a third will be elsewhere, a manager and coaching staff that will be replaced... Its the perfect storm to create a disaster season. I remember saying I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't win another game all season after the Atletico game. It just had a feeling of what was to come.
On Maguire, he of course had a horrid season. I don't think making him captain so early was a good idea, and ultimately, I don't think he has the right qualities for what we need as a team. Like if Varane manages to stay fit and we sign Martinez, i don't think Maguire is a starter. So him being a club captain despite having such a short tenure here, some off the pitch issues that have been a distraction (Greece arrest and Ronaldo spat), and now being a squad player at best? Doesn't make sense to me.
Whatever makes you happy pal. My view of him being happy that Ronaldo wants to leave or your view of him being unhappy that everyone got reduced wages (after everyone agreed to it in their contracts, and it being a result of their performances), it doesn't matter. Either way, he's bringing disruption into social media. He's either unhappy with the decisions the football club has taken and taking it to social media, or he's unhappy with a team mate and bringing it on social media. For that, he's an ass that deserves criticism. You can have an opinion, but you NEVER go public on social media against your own club. As a club captain, ESPECIALLY, after how bad he was last season (not even his wife could argue the fact that he played like shit), he should be 100% focused on just having an issue free pre season where the club gets the optimism and positivity back.
Is this clear enough for you? Or do you need Goldbridge to explain it to you on YouTube since you clearly watch him all the time.
he didn't go public. He liked a post where Ronaldo was apparently not happy about everyone getting pay cuts. If I was a team mate I'd like that post too because I wouldn't be happy either. But you have to understand that just because I say I'm not happy about it, it doesn't mean that I disagree with it. ANd that's how everyone is acting by slamming Maguire. They are either taking it as "he's happy that Ronaldo got a pay cut and bringing up shit from last year" which isn't true, or "He doesn't like that there is a pay cut and is showing dissent to the club" which also isn't true. It's just how it's being spun
Well you clearly don't understand the impact of being famous on social media. I can assure you that all of them know it, as they have extensive training with regards to it. Its not even just being famous. Hell, I'm not famous but I'm sure as shit not allowed to "support" something speaking out against my employer or giving them negative publicity.
Footballers know that something like this, especially with the history he and Ronaldo have this past year, that it'll create a story. What is a club captain supposed to do in the pre season with a new coach after a disaster year? Not create distractions. That's ultimately the key point. So yes. Liking a post is creating a distraction, evidently it is a story whether you like it or not, so obviously Maguire should know better. Whatever your opinion on what his meaning was (and again, we have differing views there but that's irrelevant). He is club captain. He played like shit last year and his spot is under pressure as it is. It is dumb as feck to create drama like this, unnecessarily.
fecking hell we aren't even playing football yet and captain fantastic is already making mistakes hes got no sense at all, club is under attack with the circus Ronaldo brings and instead of holding the line he just comes out and two foot tackles us.
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My god, and people entertain this? What? Spoken like a true one.
Down with this sort of rational normal person level-headedness, this is the Maguire Must Die thread.
I am far from being a Harry lover. I do think, though, this 'like'-gate is more about Harry's association with an incompetent marketing team. His marketing folks probably hired reputation management folks who in turn out-sourced the job to an automated system. At each link in the chain, none of the folks probably are aware of who Harry and Ronnie are. I do wish, still, Harry would be relegated to the third choice among our CB's, but this isn't happenning.
The bolded would be a fine point had you not spent the last few years badgering a French International who will be playing for Juventus next year. It’s hard to get behind statements like these when a cursory check of your post history shows you’re more than happy to ‘bully’ one of our own players yourself.
Back to Maguire though, the criticism of him of late has reached ridiculous levels whether you rate him or not. I would counter that though by saying it took until last year for people to look at his performances as they should have been since Project Restart so he’s actually rather lucky it took so long but I’m not sure if that’s a point Goldbridge has or hasn’t made so I’m not sure if I can.
Opinions on United aren’t infinite, a number of the defences made in here for him mirror that of the broadsheet journos I hear on Podcasts, I just think it’s a little disingenuous to take the stance you did earlier. You claim he’s being copilots for word, which would suggest you listen to the man yourself, but you’re criticising people for listening to the man. I listen to a few United pods, I certainly don’t agree wholeheartedly with every point made.
Back to picking what United players should & shouldn’t be supported you go.I honestly don't even know what that means - not shocked to see you in the Maguire thread though
You are comparing a guy who gives zero shits about this club and gave no effort to a guy who gives his all every game and constantly gets scapegoated. Yeah, that makes sense...pfft
Holy f***....he didn't speak out about anyone. He liked a post that said Ronaldo isn't happy that the players got a 25% pay cut. Speaking out would be him saying "this is bull shit...we don't deserve this...blah blah blah". BUt that's not the case. He liked a post. That means he agrees with Ronaldo that he doesn't like it either. If my pay was cut I wouldn't like it either and if I cut one of my employees pay, I wouldn't expect them to like it either. Why would they? And I would have no probelm with them not liking it. What I would have a problem with is if they came out and said it was BS or if they didn't use this pay cut as motivation to make sure it doesn't happen again. But that wasn't the case. All he did was like a post. But because it's Maguire it's been blown way out of proportion because the muppets that are United "supporters" look for reasons to take the piss at and bully him. Facts...
you can pipe down with that. He lost his son and turned out 5 days later, whilst people like Lingard were asking for every other week off
That was about Pogba you muppet, not Ronaldo. I love Ronaldo
6 pages added to the thread today because Maguire liked a tweet? I actually thought something interesting was going on
Case in point. You continue to make non-tangible excuses to validate who you choose to like & who you don’t. You’re a prime example of why people can’t stand this fanbase, your arguments are moronic & petulant. I’m actually comparing a player who scored in the last European final we won & a player who’s career highlight is Hull player of the year who has a litany of poor performances spanning back multiple seasons but you’ve shown you give zero fecks about reality at this point. You’ve proven time & again that you’re happy to ‘bully’ players you don’t like so the scapegoat nonsense just serves to uphold how manic you’ve become in this thread.
Calling fellow posters muppets over misinterpretation, come on lad chill out.
Are you really comparing me to the muppets here? I think for myself and when I make any sort of claim about a player, I back it up with proof. I don't just say things because the herd is all saying it. I think it out and back it up. Are you seriously defending Pogba? You're a muppet. Don't reply to me anymore please
What would Goldbridge do without Maguire?
He really is a massive bellend.
As for Goldbridge, what an incredibly annoying cnut. No idea how anybody watches him.
He really is a massive bellend.
As for Goldbridge, what an incredibly annoying cnut. No idea how anybody watches him.
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