So many managers who work with him day in day out have it wrong about him but all the online manager Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime are spot on
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So many managers who work with him day in day out have it wrong about him but all the online manager Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime are spot on
There’s no point booing him… what’s that gonna achieve? He’s still going to be playing and staying. He needs the support from his own fans to try and get back to form… I understand rival fans booing him when he plays for England but even still he plays better for England then club. Think Maguire and the rest of our defence will improve or look better when they have a midfield in front of them who can protect them… they’ve had to put up with mctominay and Fred and they always get the defence in trouble. Let’s not be a fan base that turns on our own players… this could prevent players from wanting to join us in the future.
There's a lot of CBs out there who completely whiff their first ball contact or long pass.
De Vrij also consistently does.
Pogba got booed plenty, even from our socalled "true fans". Where was your energy about that?
We should never boo any of our players, but amount of focus this gets compared to when some of our other players got booed is weird.
There's agendas against the majority you mentioned, too.
Some seem more concerned about being 'right' about certain players, rather than seeing them get back to form. You don't have to like all of our players - and there are a-lot of reasons not to be overly endeared by some of them - but we should be supporting them all.
The whole team was a mess last season: we had a bloated squad; dressing room had a bad atmosphere; players had zero interest playing for Ole, or Ralf; poor coaching; weird team selections etc. It wasn't exactly an environment where players were going to thrive. Maguire had a stinker of a season like plenty of others, but they should all be afforded a chance under ETH.
People thinking we were going to overhaul the squad in one summer, are/were deluded. The majority of our starters from last season will be starters once again. So, we might as well get behind them. Ultimately, if they don't fit ETH's system, they'll be phased out over time. Until that time comes, they're going to play.
Fans need to let go. It's a new season, a fresh start. Do they really think Maguire will get better constantly booing and sending him abuse? it's pathetic
Look at every United social media post. Its either people saying "sign more players" or "get rid of Maguire" "why is Maguire here" and I can pretty much tell you straight away 9/10 of those posts arent from European fans.
You cannot deny the likes of Goldbridge is causing a massive problem with their witch hunts. Was Maguire bad a lot last year? yes. Should we still be hounding him out for it? no.
Look at every United social media post. Its either people saying "sign more players" or "get rid of Maguire" "why is Maguire here" and I can pretty much tell you straight away 9/10 of those posts arent from European fans.
You cannot deny the likes of Goldbridge is causing a massive problem with their witch hunts. Was Maguire bad a lot last year? yes. Should we still be hounding him out for it? no.
"What about last season' "What about that interview" "what about Pogba" is all just nonsense, it's a new season and a new era under good coach. For once I hope all Manutd fans back manager and players without taking sides.
Yeah but this is literally Maguire's trademark at this point he's done it numerous times in the past and i doubt it's ever gonna stop.
Its obvious hes trying to create a negative narrative about international fans that doesnt exsist. He trying to imply they are more negative than fans based here in the UK. Which is nonsense as Maguire has been booed by England fans on international duty.
What do england fans have to do with united?
No he wasn't the only one that was poor last season, but i think fans are holding him to a higher stand because
a) hes our captain
b) hes our most expensive player
So two things out of his control are used as sticks to beat him with?
He also wasn’t out most expensive player at the time, for what it’s worth.
I'm probably over-defensive of Maguire, and I'm happy to admit my bias in this regard, but it genuinely astounds me that people think Varane is better on the ball than Maguire. Varane's ability on the ball has never been one of his major strengths as a defender (he's not awful but nothing spectacular), and even in what was an absolutely woeful season for Maguire his progression numbers (progressive passes and progressive carries) were both better than Varane's.
That wont make an interesting stat for social media as it will show the truth. Maguire played 9012 mins, Laporte - 5283 mins, Rudiger - 6456 mins, Van Dijk - 6851 mins
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So you disagree that Maguire likes to hit long passes out to the wingers?
I thought he played well against Palace.
I dont think these posters can take a positive remark towards Maguire.
They should overcomplicate everything when it comes to Maguire. So to provide the full picture and show the truth they should also include how relatively easy it is for the other CBs to make forward passes as their teams‘ better midfielders and systems actually provide them (CBs) with better and more options than Maguire has had so far at United.
Weird that they left stuff like this out …
Yeah lets blame the foreingers
Where was this energy when Pogba was getting abuse at OT??
He is making a valid point that fans who consume more of their football purely online are more likely to encounter the negative comments online. What we encounter online can play a role shaping opinions, we have seen this strongly with things such as the cambridge analytica scandal.
Are you arguing with any of the below?
1. "Fans who live on the other side of the world are more likely to consume their football online."
2. "Online football opinions can be incredibly negative and divisive."
3. "Things you consume online influence your opinions."
I struggle to see the argument with any of those points.
This comes from someone who thinks Maguire is a bit rubbish.
That would confirm that - as well as being one of the most progressive passing central defenders in the league - he is one of the least injured. Two positive qualities, instead of just one.
Yeah lets blame the foreingers
Where was this energy when Pogba was getting abuse at OT??
You do realise these are different circumstances?
Pogba has been twerking for a move away for years now. He has spoken out saying he is done at United before a big CL game, before seasons starting... the list goes on and on.
He doesn't want to play for the team, a little niggle and he wants to go off.
Maguire, regardless of what you personally think of him, he has been committed to the club, played through injury.
There's a couple of players at the club I can't stand, to the point where it's almost personal now. Maguire is up there, his gormless looking face when we concede, getting caught out up the pitch, missing an interception, then you've got the fact he's the captain...
However, despite all that the booing and targeting him has to stop for a while, at least until January, as he tries to salvage his career with support from the fans. We heard Ten Hag say that he's going to start alongside Martinez, whether he's moved him to the right because he's shit on the left or because Maguire has been playing there because no one else could I don't know but I'll assume the latter for a while.
As annoying and unjustifiable as it is, a lot of these player deserve the chance at redemption under a new manager who looks like he might know what he's doing for once.
However, despite all that the booing and targeting him has to stop for a while, at least until January, as he tries to salvage his career with support from the fans. We heard Ten Hag say that he's going to start alongside Martinez, whether he's moved him to the right because he's shit on the left or because Maguire has been playing there because no one else could I don't know but I'll assume the latter for a while.
As annoying and unjustifiable as it is, a lot of these player deserve the chance at redemption under a new manager who looks like he might know what he's doing for once.
Has our captain done an interview yet on preseason?
I didnt realise i replied inbetween some agenda discussion.
Read my post again, I meant that instead of showing an insightful stat, it is more of a clickbait one as the poster said as well that it is not considering mins. Which i later found from Whoscored and added it.
Anyways, as far as the forward passing based on the mins i found in whoscored, Van Dijk has much less passes compared to Macguire if we go by that numbers from the tweet, which is strange compared to his reputation. Other two especially Laporte is way higher than Macguire.
It's absolutely a positive that he isn't injured much. Especially compared to some of our other defenders. But claiming he is the best at forward passing while completely disregarding the fact he has played thousands of minutes more than the others in that tweet is weird, and makes the tweet pretty useless.
Oh and for the record I thought he did really well against Crystal Palace.
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I'm seeing lots of wonderful stats about how progressive and how good on the ball Maguire is. I don't think that's the biggest concern amongst most of his critics. The problem is he looks mediocre/woeful too often when it comes to the most important aspect which is defending.
Also, since moving to Man Utd he's played virtualy every single game. He's got like a 90+% appearances. The stat has VVD and Laporte in there who both literally missed a whole season in that time. Very weird comparison.
So per minute, Laporte is nearly twice as more effective as Maguire. Amazing when you add context to these kind of useless stats.
Laporte playing off his favoured foot in a far better side. Maguire still better per minute than Van Dijk. Context.
He had a bad season last season but was fine before. Even with the missed games, he still has a better per minute stat than VVD using the information above. Obviously he needs to be better defensively next season but the whole team need to be better. Clearly ETH has confidence in him.
The point still stands that the stat is misleading and pointless. Regardless of which side Laporte is playing on, nearly twice as effective at that particular stat is signficant.
To be honest, I am with @Lyng in asserting that statistics aren't particularly meaningful when assessing players without being contextualized in per 90 terms. With that said, even last season when he was really poor, his progression numbers were still pretty good for a defender even in per 90 terms. (He was in the 66th and 81st percentile for centre backs across Europe's top five leagues for progressive passes and progressive carries, as per FBREF)
I'm not quite sure where the idea that Maguire is poor on the ball comes from to be honest. In my eyes, even just using the eye test he is quite obviously better than Varane in this aspect, and yet that doesn't appear to be a popular opinion around here.
I'm not quite sure where the idea that Maguire is poor on the ball comes from to be honest. In my eyes, even just using the eye test he is quite obviously better than Varane in this aspect, and yet that doesn't appear to be a popular opinion around here.
I know there is a huge divide amongst the fan base about Maguire. I’m not a big fan of his nor am I an irrational critic.
Personally as a Utd fan I’d love for him to do well and therefore help the team succeed. That’s why I’m intruiged to see how it plays out under ETH. Personally I foresee Maguire getting exposed in the style of football ETH wants to play. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong. What I am keen to see is if Maguire does struggle, whether ETH will take action to change it.
I personally don’t see Maguire lasting beyond the next summer transfer window as I think ETH will look for better alternatives.
This season will be a make or break one. Weaker opponents tend to go route one against control teams they can't outplay. Over and around the huge gap left behind. Maguire is going to be called on to do a lot of defending in space, probably the weakest aspect of his game.
Laporte playing in a side which has alot more possesion on average and plays far more passes on average aswell just to add a bit more context to what is a pretty useless stat that prooves very little.
Don't need a daft stat like that to know that Maguire is a very capable ball playing CB.
Like I said earlier, Maguire’s ability on the ball isn’t the concern. It’s his defending which concerns me more.
New season, new manager, new coaching. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and hope ETH can bring out the best in him.
No you are spot on. His main issue is that he isn't press resistent and will often put the receiver under pressure with badly timed, placed or paced passes when he is being pressured before the pass.
That having been said we have a new manager and our passing in general looks better. I am sure that will benefit Maguire a lot.
That's what pisses me off the most about this constant unconditional love for Maguire. Pogba can get booed till the cows come home and the likes of Fred, Martial and Bailly getting pilloried and targeted every week, but there's always an excuse for Maguire who's been shit for ages but apparently can do no wrong. There's always some excuse for him every week.
All this talk about 'clean slates' but they somehow still don't apply to Bailly and Martial despite being two of the best pre-season performers?
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