85% of the people here voted to get rid of Rashford and you want to tell me the fans aren't that stupid? Stopped reading after that idiotic remark
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85% of the people here voted to get rid of Rashford and you want to tell me the fans aren't that stupid? Stopped reading after that idiotic remark
He was dallying on the ball because Leeds was playing a system where they allow the back line to have the ball, and then once passed they closed down the midfield. It wasn't Maguire that they pin pointed as the weak spot. It was our midfield. So in order to help out the midfielders you have to dangle the carrot. Hold the ball. Dare their players to come try and get you. Then it will open up your team mates.
Bruno didn't fumble his chance. The keeper made a save. The defender who made the mistake didn't make up for it. With Maguire's mistake, he ran back, made the tackle, and started the attack over again. You can't expect every player to go through a match without making a mistake. What you can ask is that if they do, do everything in your power to make up for it, which is exactly what Maguire did
This would be right were it not for the fact that Maguire always does it, regardless of opposition or the midfield we select. He’s slow of body and mind. The mind being the bigger issue.
if harry has any realistic expectations of becoming our first choice centre back again, i’d have thought his time would be better spent on the training ground than in here.
Thought he did ok on Sunday.No feck ups and tried to play out when given the time.Another body to call upon is always welcome at this time of the season.
Hope he gets some form back for us.Or is sold in the summer.
Gwan Harry.
Hope he gets some form back for us.Or is sold in the summer.
Gwan Harry.
Nah feck it I was wrong.
He got on the ball so much because the midfield is shite and he was the only one who wanted it, he bossed it like a prime Pirlo only without the spatial awareness, technique, vision or passing range. The only reason he took 7/8 touches before releasing it was because nobody wanted it. Which is why he could clearly be seen admonishing his midfielders for not wanting the ball early to feet after he passed it sideways again.
"No feck-ups"? There were quite a few, as I recall. And I thought he had a poor game, including by his own recent standards.
No. Bruno fumbled it. Just like Harrison did.
A 1v1 chance like that, if you don't score, you've fecked up. No if's and but's. He fecked up.
A defender? Sure i can. I expect from our defenders to go through a match without making a mistake. It's not that hard.
Attackers can miss chances, sure, i'll give them more leniency.
Midfielders overhit passes, feck things up. Fine.
Make a mistake that leads to a goal? You've fecked up. Get shit for it. Easy.
You've mentioned Rashford getting shit for his form? Sure, he was crap. Got called for being crap.
Picked it up. Now plays out of this world.
Martial? Always injured. Gets shit for it. Rightly so.
If this continues, get rid - easy.
Harry Maguire? Poor footballer, even worse center back.
Makes mistakes every game he plays, has been doing so for the last 2 years.
Gets shit for it on the forums.
We're not blind you know?
Of all your justifications for Harry, this was most amusing.
He does every match though, it's not just some Leeds defensive masterclass thing. If he didn't think that he could break lines and/or cut out the entire team with one pass I think he'd just shift it sooner, even if that was straight out wide allowing the fullback to work a few yards up the pitch rather than being pressed the second they get it. I'll admit though that the fullback pass back to Maguire under pressure is an almighty carrot. You can practically feel the opposition fans and players getting energised by it and I especially look forward to the standard outcome of desperate pass back to De Gea followed by a sliced clearance straight out of play.
Maguire’s main problem is he is paid like a guaranteed starter and one of the best players when he is now neither of these.
We will sell him if we get a remotely acceptable offer, regardless of how well (or not) he plays whenever Varane doesn’t. He played fine at the weekend, about as well as a back up can be expected to, but we can find someone to do his job for much less cost, preferably a left footer.
We will sell him if we get a remotely acceptable offer, regardless of how well (or not) he plays whenever Varane doesn’t. He played fine at the weekend, about as well as a back up can be expected to, but we can find someone to do his job for much less cost, preferably a left footer.
He is bad for united standards. But he should still fetch £60m+ this summer.
Agreed but I’m not sure we’ll get anything like that amount for him.
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Stop with the agenda crap. Your stats mean nothing when you don't add context. How is it possible that he gets a lot of touches? Because everyone BUT HIM is marked tight. He is always left open on purpose. Because he is no threat to the other team. He can't create anything, he can't give a proper deep ball. You see what happens when Martinez gets on. The tempo goes up. He gets the ball? Forward pass, immediately. Maguire does not do that. They are night and day.
But if others are marked, how is Maguire at fault? Well, because he touches the ball 5-6 times every time and doesn't make a decision. He holds up play when he doesn't need to, so it's easy to defend our team when he's on the ball. Leeds have all the time in the world to set up. If you watch the game there are multiple sequences where he just stands there with the ball at his feet for 10 seconds straight. You know he's not going to do anything. Leeds know he's not going to do anything and multiple times he even passed it right in their defenders' feet with a supposed long ball or he almost gifts them a goal.
Gameplanning against players like him and Fred that lack footballing ability, football IQ and decisionmaking is easy. Leeds showed that twice. The fact you don't even see it yourself is beyond me, you've been watching this guy for how many games/years now? And you still choose to defend him, when it's clear he's a massive problem to how this team operates. That is, of course, assuming you watch the games. But since you are so adamant on lecturing others with stats that don't give any proper representation of his play other than it just being a bunch of numbers, I'm not sure you do.
Maybe its unfair that I criticize Maguire because its not his fault that he's a wildly mediocre football player that teams know how to exploit. He is way out of his depth in this team. But we've had to sit through his atrocious play for what, 3 years now? I'm tired of it. He needs to go to a team that doesn't play with a high line and doesn't play out from the back. Maybe then he'll have some value. But not for us.
He was ineffective with it. He’s so ponderous that Leeds have time to close down our midfield before Maguire even realises there’s a pass on.
Honestly, if you can’t see from watching the game that Maguire's lack of ability on the ball was a major hindrance then there’s little point discussing football with you.
Funnily enough he's not wrong, they did exactly the same to Varane in the return fixture. Let him have the ball and then blocked the passing lanes in a mid block waiting for the ball to go into midfield and go in and win it back aggressively.
Same plan different player. Arguably it was a more successful plan against Varane than it was against Maguire.
Most people have stopped reading your delusional posts to be fair. The whole world can see Maguire has been banished to the bench on his way out of the club soon, yet you’re still flying the flag to keep his career alive. I think we can see which person is stupid here.
They played with way more energy at OT though. They played like a bunch of hyenas. They were way more timid in our last meeting. That Gnonto goal in the first game was crazy and they kept going. I don't understand why they didn't choose the same approach. I don't think we would have won that one if they did honestly.
The way one or two people would defend a specific player, often someone nowhere near our better players, really makes me question if they're related to said player sometimes. There's this dude with Harry the carrot dangler, there was one person who was like that for Smalling, and there was one who was like that with Kagawa
If we get £40m for him we will do well. His salary and quality mean that anything more than that is a pipedream.
When he gets the ball, I imagine that someone has just passed the ball to my Mum and whatever he does next is the same thing my Mum would do.
He rarely disappoints. Either just blasts it out of play for no reason or passes it to nothing. I wouldn't mind him staying for his comedic value
He rarely disappoints. Either just blasts it out of play for no reason or passes it to nothing. I wouldn't mind him staying for his comedic value
Excuse me, are you high? He's 30 years old in 3 weeks, and his stock has taken a massive hit since we signed him. And he's on big wages.
I'll be delighted if we get anything above £30m
In a match you're not gonna stop giving the ball to him. It's what he does with it. Which is routinely poor compared to others.
Summary well done.
One of the easiest things to deal with in football is a player that dawdles on the ball.
In every sense, crosses, shots, passing.. all harder to deal with if it happens quickly.
He basically gave Leeds a breather every time he had the ball.
He Is ENGLANDS BRAVE CAPTAIN.
This was pointed out many moons ago too - though perhaps not as concise as you have said.
I remember Sadler literally stating that this was a deliberate tactic by Maguire to consistently draw-out the opposition and find gaps...He is a tactical genius is our Arry
I like the way he passes to the other team. Makes the game more exciting.
How can both those statements be true? They contradict each other massively.
What if he was right all along and we were just wrong?!?! I've misjudged our captain..
I wasn't talking about other games. I was talking about this game. I judge a players performance based on how he plays in the current game, I don't judge his Leeds performance based on what he did in the previous match
It’s his game to ponder on the ball. If he does it in every game then it’s likely got feck all to do with how Leeds press or our midfield options and much more likely to be because he does it in every game he plays.
I can’t see what club would be willing to eat Harry’s massive salary. He’s paid about twice what he’s worth and would be mad to accept a 50% pay cut just to facilitate a move. When’s his contract up?
I think he was offered a contract extension, so June 2024.
Nope...you're completely wrong. First off, if nobody was reading then I wouldn't have had so many replies. Secondly, I don't think he should be our main starter. I think Varane and Martinez should. I just think we should try supporting him when he is playing, not try and knock him down further. And nope...not trying to keep his career alive. Just giving fair assessments of each performance. He was a solid 6-7 out of 10 yesterday. Nowhere near man of the match, but he did ok and helped keep a clean sheet and earn 3 points away from home...
So it was all on Maguire? Even though the rest of the team were doing the same and passed it to him more than any other player? How to tell me you have an agenda without telling me you have an agenda
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