Agreed. Solid game tonight for Harry.
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Let's look at the disallowed goal.
Zaha gets the ball and is covered by AWB. Lindelof is also close, Maguire is in the center tight to Ayew
Second frame - Zaha has carried the ball inside and is covered by AWB. Lindelof is also in close proximity and McTom is busting a lung to get close to the danger and can cover a pass to the runner (Milivojecic??).
Pogba is tracking the other runner. At this frame, and with TFM badly out of position, Maguire HAS TO COVER AYEW. He can't let him ghost into space, he's got to cover him.
Maguire is marking none. He has to cover the red circle and prevent the ball from getting there. He doesn't.
@UNITED ACADEMY Harry turns his back on Ayew so he has no Scooby where he is, whether he's strayed offside or not. He's no man's land and he's at fault for losing Ayew. Thankfully the goal was offside by a hair.
Lindelof didn't headed the goal from corner.
Let's look at the disallowed goal.
Zaha gets the ball and is covered by AWB. Lindelof is also close, Maguire is in the center tight to Ayew
Second frame - Zaha has carried the ball inside and is covered by AWB. Lindelof is also in close proximity and McTom is busting a lung to get close to the danger and can cover a pass to the runner (Milivojecic??).
Pogba is tracking the other runner. At this frame, and with TFM badly out of position, Maguire HAS TO COVER AYEW. He can't let him ghost into space, he's got to cover him.
Maguire is marking none. He has to cover the red circle and prevent the ball from getting there. He doesn't.
@UNITED ACADEMY Harry turns his back on Ayew so he has no Scooby where he is, whether he's strayed offside or not. He's no man's land and he's at fault for losing Ayew. Thankfully the goal was offside by a hair.
I just told you this is where the team needs to work as a team. Blaming on one individual for that is ridiculous but having an agenda on the player.
Scott had no idea where McArthur was so it was bollocks to say that he got it covered, he was unmarked and Maguire saw it and he was covering that area to prevent both Ayew & McArthur. Can Maguire done better, yes but the others should be doing more.
Scott came to help Bissaka, Lindelof was covering for Bissaka if Zaha cut inside, Zaha only had one choice which is take a shot or cross on his left foot & Bissaka failed to anticipate such an obvious situation. And again it's a far post area where Mensah should have been covering the spot, Mensah had so much time to cover that area and he didn't.
Can't believe he is getting criticism for this game, well not that surprising anymore.
Just go away - I'm putting you on ignore.
You were tagging me and now you told me to go away. Brilliant.
I didn’t think he did much wrong last night & I’m one of his biggest detractors but it’s not positive when there’s a mass debate about a player every time we concede.
I like how he intercepts high up the pitch when the ball is played into their striker, he nicks the ball off them and we are instantly on the attack. It's a very underrated skills of his, and his ability in the air. He's not the perfect defender and will make mistakes but he's our best CB and injury free which is the main part. Next season, he needs to aim for 10 goals too, he should have at least 7-8 this season but just hasn't come off for him.
His and Lindelof lack of pace made Palace attack, the 2nd worst attack in the League, look like Brazil 1982.
They were saved by a centimeter-off VAR, and a good Gk. Maguire had an overall good game, but fecked up two times by Zaha and Ayew (agreed with @Suedesi there).
The last 2 games just show how inconsistent this pairing is. Sometimes Maguire is good, sometimes Lindelof is good. Even when they're both good overall, but they always did something silly between the two. Just like Southampton game.
Also some posters said that with two ball playing CBs, the midfield doesn't have to drop deep. Well... people with eyes can see that that's not the case. Matic or whoever the DM is, still always need to come deep even with these two CBs.
They were saved by a centimeter-off VAR, and a good Gk. Maguire had an overall good game, but fecked up two times by Zaha and Ayew (agreed with @Suedesi there).
The last 2 games just show how inconsistent this pairing is. Sometimes Maguire is good, sometimes Lindelof is good. Even when they're both good overall, but they always did something silly between the two. Just like Southampton game.
Also some posters said that with two ball playing CBs, the midfield doesn't have to drop deep. Well... people with eyes can see that that's not the case. Matic or whoever the DM is, still always need to come deep even with these two CBs.
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That should say more about the fanbase than any player. Not just Maguire, ManUtd fans look for scape goat for everything.
I haven't seen a team that never conceded a chance or goal. If every move is micro analysed then there won't be a decent defender ever, nevermind good ones.
People here wank themselves to death over the players like Koulibaly and Skriniar. Do they think their team don't concede chance or goals? Maybe they do, that's why within a week they come up with how much payer has declined once we sign them.
Still a rather average than amazing defender. He needs to up his game for next season
He was offside by about 3mm. Extremely lucky as Maguire had let Ayew drift off the back of him without any clue he was there.
He didn't let him drift off him, he went to cover the centre of the penalty box which was completely open. If he should have stayed with Ayew and left the penalty box undefended I'm not sure. Should TFM not be covering him there and picking up Ayew? I guess it was like the block that he made against Zaha's shot. In the end it was great defending but if Zaha it had made the pass to his team mate instead it would have been bad defending because he let the other player go but if he'd stayed with the other player Zaha could have scored from the shot.
TFM should have been there but he wasn't, he was still miles up the pitch and Maguire knew that, so it's not a factor.
He was following Ayew into the box and looked over his shoulder to check he was close to him, and that was Ayew's cue to go off the back of him and find space. Good striker's movement, poor defensive awareness. He put himself in no man's land, neither defending the man nor the cross.
I honestly think that our central defender failings are being highlighted due to the fact that we do not have a midfield that is capable of protecting them sufficiently. Lindelof and Maguire are both decent players, each with their weaknesses that have been raised by many. However, they receive next to no protection from the players in front of them and that means that good opposition players will create chances. I believe that Lindelof and Maguire have both done okay with the circumstances forced on them. I think our problem lies in other areas.
On another note, I saw that it is Jaap Stam’s Birthday today...now he was a proper defender! Still can’t believe that we sold him.
On another note, I saw that it is Jaap Stam’s Birthday today...now he was a proper defender! Still can’t believe that we sold him.
This thread is full of WUMs
Clean sheet and there is an agenda against him still. He was brilliant tonight, the interceptions, tackles, headers he was winning. Could do better on the ball, but that applies to most players.
We all know we overpaid, there is no point going over it every game.
If we get CL, Harry Maguire will be a big part of it. Without him, we would not have a chance of getting CL football this season.
Yes, all the credits will go to Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Bruno and maybe Greenwood but they have not been firing all season. They have all come in parts and fired, the key constant has been our defence.
Ole needs to make a decision soon. Those two won't win us a PL title. 1 of them with a better more suited partner might. Maguire n Lindelof just doesn't work for me. We look like we can be got at easily if the opposition are on their game. Worrying.
The whole defensive shape looks off. I dont think you can blame just one person here.Let's look at the disallowed goal.
Zaha gets the ball and is covered by AWB. Lindelof is also close, Maguire is in the center tight to Ayew
Second frame - Zaha has carried the ball inside and is covered by AWB. Lindelof is also in close proximity and McTom is busting a lung to get close to the danger and can cover a pass to the runner (Milivojecic??).
Pogba is tracking the other runner. At this frame, and with TFM badly out of position, Maguire HAS TO COVER AYEW. He can't let him ghost into space, he's got to cover him.
Maguire is marking none. He has to cover the red circle and prevent the ball from getting there. He doesn't.
@UNITED ACADEMY Harry turns his back on Ayew so he has no Scooby where he is, whether he's strayed offside or not. He's no man's land and he's at fault for losing Ayew. Thankfully the goal was offside by a hair.
You could argue:
LIndelof should step one pace back, allowing Maguire to go a pace back to cut off the ball. However with that, if Zaha turns inside, hes not facing another man.
Ideally Maguire would be across closer to the ball with TFM tucked in. But then if he was just attacking and is getting back, it would make it almost impossible.
There are issues here, that need working on as a team. If Zaha reverses to the edge of the box, McT is not there to intercept or block a shot.
I do think Zaha had a good game against AWB though (especially as Zaha has gone on record talking about how AWB seemed to always get the better of him in training... I think)
Honestly whenever he gets his head at the end of a corner kick, without commiting a foul, is a bonus in my book.
Find it hilarious that he seems to be getting loads of stick on here for winning every header when attacking corners against a 6ft 1 CB. He's brilliant at attacking corners. Sure he hasn't scored that many but he always has the other teams best header marking him, yet he still wins everything.
Thought he had a good game and I think he's a really good player. Yes, he has his flaws and he's no Rio, but he's the one of the best CB's in the league behind VVD and Laporte IMO.
Thought he had a good game and I think he's a really good player. Yes, he has his flaws and he's no Rio, but he's the one of the best CB's in the league behind VVD and Laporte IMO.
Everyone is aware we need a quick CB. I’m not sure who is about who fits the bill? It will clearly be to partner Maguire. Lindelof is a solid squad player.
We need to clear our decks first by getting rid of Bailly, Jones and Rojo. With Smalling out the door as well, we will need at least one new CB, and disappointingly we will probably keep Bailly for another year.
So really depends on how many of the 4 CBs we can get rid of Smalling, Rojo, Jones and Bailly.
If we only sell Smalling, I don’t think we are buying another CB this summer.
He was decent in the back, atrocious at attacking corners.
Not often a CB will have that many opportunities to score from corners. Should have done better.
We were desperate for that 2nd goal to kill the game off too.
I think the hate for him is unwarranted, he's solid and does what he needs too. He has flaws yes, but every player does.
We'd be worse without him
Not often a CB will have that many opportunities to score from corners. Should have done better.
We were desperate for that 2nd goal to kill the game off too.
I think the hate for him is unwarranted, he's solid and does what he needs too. He has flaws yes, but every player does.
We'd be worse without him
He’s he did. It was a short corner against Villa.
It wasn't. Fred to Mata to Pereira to Fred to Aston Villa player and to Lindelof.
History also tells you enough that he doesn't offer enough threat with his heading, he only scored 1 goal with his heading at Benfica.
Would like to come in his thread and not be posting something negative, but he doesn't fill me with confidence or have the leadership skills he was touted to have.
The way Zaha rolled him, it makes me wonder what happens to him if we manage to make the CL.
Lindelof isn't good enough, but nor is Maguire, at least on his performance level this season. He needs a superstar next to him and then he needs to be 75% of what that guy is to meet the bar as an individual. Don't know if he has it in him.
I'm more underwhelmed by him than I was when he got here, which is worrying. He's certainly not the man to place our backline in the hands of going into PL and CL challenging campaigns.
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Being done by Zaha is one thing but being held off by Ayew in the box for what seemed like an eternity is ridiculous. So he's not great on the cover, he's slow on the turn, he's not particularly dominant physically and yet he's supposed to be our captain and leader? Why? Just because he heads balls out of the box?
I think he will be fine. Most of the defending he is going to do are in the air and in physical duels with forwards. I'm confident the incident with Zaha wouldn't have happened if he wasn't already on a booking. I was expecting De Gea to cover there too.
In CL? Maybe in group stage against certain teams but better teams keep the ball on the ground and are actively trying to exploit opponents weaknesses.
His marking for that disallowed goal was atrocious. Good performance bar that.
Regarding Lindelof's positioning I'm sure it was a tactic to double team on Zaha. You could see it at other times when he was 1on1 vs Lindelof in the box and Maguire would get close like that as well. Just looks like TFM is out of position. Sure in this context Maguire could move closer to Ayew but then we would have a big open area for them to run in to in case Pogba, for example, loses his man. (Credit to a good ball by Zaha as well, perfectly placed with speed)
Good defender and has definitely improved us but feck me he needs to work on his heading ability in the opposition box. It’s compounded by the fact he’s the only one that gets on the end of corners but they go everywhere apart from goal. 
For something similiar to that Lindelof/AWB positioning Maguire was blamed to be "marking" AWB on that last minute corner goal on Monday. Look at that defensive line, look at McT and both AWB and Lindelof, what the feck are they covering there, and Zaha still managed to get a shot across. Yet you still managed to blame Maguire who is covering for his CB partner who went to close to the RB and still did not manage to block, and also anticipated the number 18 from Palace who is covered by no one. Absolute bonkers that post.Let's look at the disallowed goal.
Zaha gets the ball and is covered by AWB. Lindelof is also close, Maguire is in the center tight to Ayew
Second frame - Zaha has carried the ball inside and is covered by AWB. Lindelof is also in close proximity and McTom is busting a lung to get close to the danger and can cover a pass to the runner (Milivojecic??).
Pogba is tracking the other runner. At this frame, and with TFM badly out of position, Maguire HAS TO COVER AYEW. He can't let him ghost into space, he's got to cover him.
Maguire is marking none. He has to cover the red circle and prevent the ball from getting there. He doesn't.
@UNITED ACADEMY Harry turns his back on Ayew so he has no Scooby where he is, whether he's strayed offside or not. He's no man's land and he's at fault for losing Ayew. Thankfully the goal was offside by a hair.
TFM too if you follow that logic. He can clearly see the space behind Maguire but isn't stepping in to plug the hole at the back post. Blaming 1 player for it is ridiculous
Maybe Maguire knows he can cut it out unless Ayew strays offside.....
That's true, but it's not like he's terrible on the ground. He's among the top in the league for interceptions, and he is very good stepping out to the ball.
We've played teams like Liverpool, City and Chelsea who play on the ground, and I wouldn't say he particularly struggled.
Statistically speaking, he is one of the best 10 CBs in Europe. I think he is doing absolutely fine, better than anyone since Rio/Vidic. It is also his first season at the club and he played almost every game. I think some just like to moan, the haters have come over from the Rashford and Martial threads to this one.
If we buy him a better/complimentary partner and DM, he will be great.
If we buy him a better/complimentary partner and DM, he will be great.
Let's look at the disallowed goal.
Zaha gets the ball and is covered by AWB. Lindelof is also close, Maguire is in the center tight to Ayew
Second frame - Zaha has carried the ball inside and is covered by AWB. Lindelof is also in close proximity and McTom is busting a lung to get close to the danger and can cover a pass to the runner (Milivojecic??).
Pogba is tracking the other runner. At this frame, and with TFM badly out of position, Maguire HAS TO COVER AYEW. He can't let him ghost into space, he's got to cover him.
Maguire is marking none. He has to cover the red circle and prevent the ball from getting there. He doesn't.
@UNITED ACADEMY Harry turns his back on Ayew so he has no Scooby where he is, whether he's strayed offside or not. He's no man's land and he's at fault for losing Ayew. Thankfully the goal was offside by a hair.
I'm not sure at all.
I don't know how being a central defender, bang in the middle of goal, a couple of yards out is considered no man's land. It can't be more than 2-3 seconds at most, where zaha is on the edge of the box and then beats Bissaka to get a cross in.
I could be wrong so if there's any resident coaches here then would love to know what they think but to me, there's no way that seeing lindelof has left his area to cover and knowing TFM isn't near by that he should leave the central area as the gap would then be massive, I genuinely think positionally he's right, at a push he could be a yard closer to goal but I think the speed with which it happens, goes from holding a line on the edge of your box to the cross in a blink of an eye so...
Maybe I would say that however as i'm clearly in the minority here and think he's been very good on the whole for us this year.
Lindelof is clearly covering in case Zaha gets some space for a shot on his right. We did this on multiple occasions on Zaha. It was obviously a tactic. I can't believe you missed this and still felt the need to comment with your brilliant "insight".
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