everything about him on Saturday seemed to suggest he loved the atmosphere and the stadium. Almost had a "I would love to play here every week" look about him in the tunnel before the match.
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Funnily you are ignoring all credible sources that said £26m, because this is what you have paid (possibly even £30m).
Well, quite apart from the question of United and Kane himself (and including his long connection to Spurs, plus his recently signed new contract), it's also about Levy, whether he's open to selling Kane this summer and (if he is open to selling) to whom he's willing to sell.
I see some straws being clutched here ...
oh yeah 100% mate
If Kane continues to impress, you better hope Madrid board the 'Kane train' and throw you another bone.
You can't force Madrid (or any elite clubs abroad, for that matter) to be interested in him, so it'll be interesting to see what happens if Kane wants out and only the Premier League clubs are putting the money forward.
Would definitely test this so called 'policy', that's for sure.
I'm not denying the deal was for a potential £26m. I'm simply telling you that this comprised £13m guaranteed + another £13m of possible future add-ons, most of which, as common sense should tell you, have not thus far been paid.
Is not Jason Burt a "credible source"? Besides, I could cite other sources with more direct knowledge, but that would be pointless since you won't know them from Adam and won't be able to access what they've said.
In any case, where is your evidence to the contrary? Simply citing reports of a headline figure of £26m does not provide such evidence, since, as I've said above, I agree that the deal was for a potential £26m.
I don't believe Valencia would let go a striker who was banging in goals for them and had 4 year left on his contract, for a mere 13 million and only recoup the extra 13m based on performances.
Its all based on claim from one reporter, with nothing backing it up. The official word is he cost 26m. Could be 13m upfront and the rest in installments. But 13m and the rest in performance related payments is too far fetched, given he was coming from another league and might fail, which he has done.
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It's only a matter of time Glasgton. Kanetastic!
I mostly meant he would be very young if he proves to be a top striker in the coming season.
I hope we are finally seeing a new English superstar coming through. I have no idea if he is that but he certainly looks a bright prospect.
If our scouts see the potential in him as that great, overpaying now would be better than overpaying in a year or two probably.
If United come for him, his head will be turned. Not even necessarily because it's a mega club, blah, etc. but certainly because of the financial side. He could expect to earn three times, maybe more with endorsements, playing here than at Spurs in the next five years.
No amount of club loyalty or any other horseshit that comes out Glaston's mouth can deny this fact.
I hope we are finally seeing a new English superstar coming through. I have no idea if he is that but he certainly looks a bright prospect.
If our scouts see the potential in him as that great, overpaying now would be better than overpaying in a year or two probably.
If United come for him, his head will be turned. Not even necessarily because it's a mega club, blah, etc. but certainly because of the financial side. He could expect to earn three times, maybe more with endorsements, playing here than at Spurs in the next five years.
No amount of club loyalty or any other horseshit that comes out Glaston's mouth can deny this fact.
All true, Glaston. But if one sees a tank rolling up to one's door, perceptions might change. That's all I'm saying.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/11/manchester-united-tottenham-harry-kane
I would love for us to give this a shot. We need to take risks if we are to get back to the top.
We have clearly struggles this past two years to get the top shelf, finished articles (Bale, etc) even with the money to. It seems we have to gamble on the best young prospects if we are going to climb back to the top.
I would love for us to give this a shot. We need to take risks if we are to get back to the top.
We have clearly struggles this past two years to get the top shelf, finished articles (Bale, etc) even with the money to. It seems we have to gamble on the best young prospects if we are going to climb back to the top.
So Spurs has increased in value nearly tenfold in 3 years? Doubtful.
Did I misrepresent you in your absence? We are on the same page on this I think, King.
I don't think Kane has made the same impact in the league to go all out and buy him as Rooney did IMO.
You paid £26m up front and will have paid at least £5m in add-ons by now.
I've no idea how you arrive at this. Are you basing this on some Forbes estimate of 3 years ago that valued Spurs at a mere £71m? If so, the figure is absurd .... the club have probably spent close to amount this just on on our new 77 acre training complex - http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/the-club/new-training-centre/ - never mind Phase 1 and beyond of the new stadium project.
Your posts have become increasingly ridiculous to the point where it's barely worth responding. I've told you the facts - backed up with at least one item of credible evidence (and as I've said I know of several more), whereas your posts are mere assertion.
Anyhow, I won't be responding further to your silly claims on this ... so go ahead and knock yourself out if you wish.
I reckon we'll get him.
Glaston I havent read previous posts as i imagine Its all what I could imagine. Basically its about 2 things. Primarily if we offer enough money for Levy. Secondly we first speak to Kane and get him onboard and he forces a move. What is not in question is we can offer him what you cannot on every nearly every front. I actually hope he stays and we decide next summer.
Erm, Rooney at 19-20 was starter for England, starter for United, won Golden Boy award(yes I know Anderson won it too) and was hitting double figures for United.
Kane at 19-20 was somewhere between Norwich, Millwal and Leyton Orient.
Although I agree Kane is £45+ today
Rooney at 16-17 was a hell of a player. There's no way he was destined for a loan out with that amount of talent. I do agree with Scholes that he peaked early.
Some of the numbers being tossed around for Kane are mental but football being what it is today, he'll cost more that Rooney cost back then.
I'm basing it on Spurs' market capitalization in 2012 when they delisted.
Erm, Rooney at 19-20 was starter for England, starter for United, won Golden Boy award(yes I know Anderson won it too) and was hitting double figures for United.
Kane at 19-20 was somewhere between Norwich, Millwal and Leyton Orient.
Although I agree Kane is £45+ today
Come on, that's too sensible. No footballer ever scored 20 league goals at the age of 22. Kane is the best footballer ever.
Seriously, is it now argued that Rooney at 22 was not at Kane's level?
I doubt we'll hear anything concrete on our interest in Kane, we've probably been told to do one a long time ago
Sterling has been at it for about 3 seasons. Kane isnt remotely in a similar bracket. People are acting like Kane is 4 times the value of a Berahino, for example, yet the jury is out as to whether he is even as good as the West Brom kid. Given he has one solitary season of shining. With an Under 21 Euros at which he was lack lustre hot on its heels.
Kane oozes quality, it's plain to see. No one balked at the £50m price tag of Sterling on here, Kane is better than him in my opinion and also if we apply this logic floating about that the total transfer sum averages out over their length of service then £60m ain't too shabby if he plays at a high level over the next 8-10 years.
In that same year Forbes valuation was £351.1m (five times the figure you've given) and even this is almost certainly a significant under-valuation as explained in the paper cited below. And since then our annual turnover has risen significantly, not to mention the forward progress of the new stadium project which will include when completed a hotel, apartments, extreme sports centre, supermarket, restaurants, medical centre etc etc etc. I would guess that the £710m current valuation - as given in the table cited earlier - is probably about right ... and this will increase a lot when the new stadium complex is finished.
By any stretch of the imagination a valuation of £71m for Spurs as of three years ago is absurd. Hell, since then we've sold a single player for a lot more than that.
There's a good paper on the various models for valuing football clubs here: http://www.sportingintelligence.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Markham-paper.pdf
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On another note; Kane definitely has not made the same impact Rooney did when he landed on the scene (5 years younger). Rooney hit like a meteor.
Just to say though when Rooney hit the scene the premier league wasnt as conpetitive as it was now. No man city and an underdeveloped chelsea amongst other much weaker teams. That has to mean something with regards to the cost of a player.
@GlastonSpur the only people I've ever heard saying Soldado cost £13m + £13m addons are deluded Spurs fans.
He had a buyout clause of €30m which you promptly met. To say that Valencia accepted for that to be split half in fee and half in performance addons is almost as ridiculous as Spurs chances of winning the league.
All sources indicate that you bid £17m for him initially which was about €20m at the time and you got turned down and told to meet the release clause. The likelyhood is that you paid €25m + €5m addons which is £22 + £4 addons which sounds about right. Addons are not always rated to just performance but also tied to club success and player appearances so I'm pretty certain you've paid quite a bit from the addons too.
I was not in the negotiating room at the time but to suggest that Valencia took €15m for someone who was scoring 25+ a season in the same window where you got close to €100m for Bale is beyond crazy. Not to mention how extremely inflated all the rest of the transfer fees were.
He had a buyout clause of €30m which you promptly met. To say that Valencia accepted for that to be split half in fee and half in performance addons is almost as ridiculous as Spurs chances of winning the league.
All sources indicate that you bid £17m for him initially which was about €20m at the time and you got turned down and told to meet the release clause. The likelyhood is that you paid €25m + €5m addons which is £22 + £4 addons which sounds about right. Addons are not always rated to just performance but also tied to club success and player appearances so I'm pretty certain you've paid quite a bit from the addons too.
I was not in the negotiating room at the time but to suggest that Valencia took €15m for someone who was scoring 25+ a season in the same window where you got close to €100m for Bale is beyond crazy. Not to mention how extremely inflated all the rest of the transfer fees were.
Sort of, though Rooney never had the volume of goals that Kane got last season - he first scored more than 16 league goals in his 8th full season, at the age of 25.
Kane's early development is way inferior - in his late teens he was pissing about on loan not looking anything special, while Rooney was scoring wondergoals against Arsenal. But in a way, Kane's sudden explosion of goals last season is more "meteoric" than Rooney's gradually increasing tally.
plus rooney peaked way too early so we have been stuck with a piss poor declining player since like 2011
Piss poor is (far from uncommon) exageration, but he certainly didn't kick on to the levels we hoped.
Unless you classify Jason Burt of the Telegraph as a "deluded Spurs fan" then you've already heard of someone else (besides such fans) who says the same thing as me concerning the structure of the Soldado deal.
Any buyout clause is totally irrelevant, because such a clause does NOT mean that can't be conditions attached to part of the payment - as you yourself acknowledge with your own speculative version of the add-ons. So it's down to an argument over what proportion of the fee comprised potential add-ons and what proportion was a guaranteed payment ... the only difference is that I've provided evidence for my 'version' whereas you have not done the same for yours and have merely given your opinion of what the breakdown is "likely" to have been. Besides which, I know from other sources that what Jason Burt reported is correct.
You simply cite Soldado's goal record in Spain, but there were other factors involved too ... such as his age and (given his age) likely re-sale value to Spurs, plus the fact that the Prem is a very different type of league to Prem. You also ignore the distinct possibility that it might have been very convenient for his Spanish club to sell him at that point, for all sorts of reasons, and so they might well not have been particularly reluctant sellers. All these factors come into play when determining any guaranteed vs. potential add-ons breakdown.
The overwhelming likelihood is that goals scored would have been the biggest single trigger factor in determining add-ons (and he scored very few), followed by first team starts (not so many of those) and then other factors such as appearances in total, possibly club success and so on.
That would explain the low fee
Isn't Burt a Spurs fan?
So you may be half right that £13m was paid up front with the other £13m to follow suit.
They would not accept such a low fee for their most prized asset, especially when other teams were interested in him and their financial situation was in the shitter.
Also found this in Spanish which quotes Valencia's president:
Basically from Google, it seems to say that the president of Valencia confirmed the deal was done but if Tottenham do not pay the first of two €15m installment immediately then Soldado will get on a plane to USA.
P.S. I don't want to derail the thread further. This thread is about Harry Kane moving to a proper football club.
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it'll be interesting to see how he does on loan at spurs this season...
Jokes aside,(a) if he got between 10-15 goals this season...would you still want him, (b) how much would be max fee you'd be willing to pay
Jokes aside,(a) if he got between 10-15 goals this season...would you still want him, (b) how much would be max fee you'd be willing to pay
His value would probably drop to around £65m if he got 10 goals the whole season.
But seriously I'd put his real value currently at maximum £30m including English tax and to be fair I think he is currently £15m - £20m player.
fifa 15 said he was worth like £7million or something lol.
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