I agree. However we presume that we're spending the money for his potential rather than his immediate impact to the squad
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I agree. However we presume that we're spending the money for his potential rather than his immediate impact to the squad
No, we didn't pay £64m for him you nutjobHow predictable that you'd change all the numbers to fit your agenda.
The fee was £53m or something near that rising to £59.7m, the fee we're selling him to PSG for is apparently £44.5m possibly raising to around £50m. You've just gone and picked up the maximum fee we could end up paying for Di Maria, then added £4.5m on top of it and then picked up the absolute lowest amount we could receive from PSG. It's absolutely mental. ....
The figure of £63.9m for di Maria, including potential add-ons, was widely reported. And the few reports that I've seen about his sale to PSG make no mention of £50m.
Now, if you say his sale fee is potentially rising to £50m, then I'll accept that such reports exist, just as I accept the existence of reports of his purchase price being £59.7m. But likewise you should accept the existence of media reports citing £63.9m as the purchase price and £44.4m as the sale price, with 8% of that going to RM.
So I'm not changing any numbers to fit an agenda. I'm using reported figures, even if other reports have somewhat different figures.
59.7m on the official website http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...ted-sign-angel-di-maria-from-real-madrid.aspx
59.7m http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/26/angel-di-maria-completes-move-to-manchester-united
59.7m http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...r-Manchester-United-in-59.7-million-deal.html
59.7m http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...t-597m-winger-undergoing-medical-9690914.html
59.7m http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/26/angel-di-maria-completes-move-to-manchester-united
59.7m http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...r-Manchester-United-in-59.7-million-deal.html
59.7m http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...t-597m-winger-undergoing-medical-9690914.html
You honestly think if he has a repeat of last season, he'll be worth £40m?? as if any club would get him for £40m! We'd struggle to get him for £40m Now.
Sterling was over priced and so is Kane but none the less it is what it is with transfers these days. We either cough up now and pay around the £40m mark now, or pay at least £60m if he has a repeat of last year in the season ahead. Levy won't let him go for anything less than a world record fee I'd imagine.
So widely reported that you are the only one who knows?
First of all I understand that for us the word cover seem to translate into some dirty word. In the typical United fan subconscious its associated to likes OShea and Philip Neville, ie players with little talent but loads of heart and absolutely no chance of being United regular first teamers ever. However it shouldn't be like that at all. We've had cover/competitors (hence why I added that part) who were vital to the club and played nearly as many games as first teamers. We mustn't forget that without the likes of Ole and Teddy we wouldn't have lifted the CL trophy and won the treble.
I also acknowledge that such role may irritate a seasoned world class striker like lets say RVP. Why should he act as second choice for Wayne Rooney? However Kane is in a different situation. He may cost us 40-50m but thats solely due to Spurs extortion style of negotiations. Kane had just 1 great season under his belt, he is still second fiddle for Rooney with the national side and has yet to play with a top side. He also have time at his side so why not relax and learn from someone whose been through it all (England's darling and a big fee signing with United). After all considering his football style I doubt Rooney will keep the likes of Kane on the bench for long.
I see nothing wrong if Kane spends 2-3 seasons as our new Ole/Sheringham ie playing a fair share of games despite not being our first teamer. That would also allow the club to loan Wilson who will be able to gain the necessary experience needed to act as Kane cover/competition once Rooney becomes too old for the role. My only two concerns will be whether he can live up the hype and if he's got the necessary pace wanted by LVG.
The signing of di Maria, when more pressing squad needs were left unaddressed, says differently.
As does LVG saying:"....Bayern Munich have (Franck) Ribery and (Arjen) Robben, Chelsea have (Eden) Hazard ... Real Madrid have (Cristiano) Ronaldo and (Gareth) Bale. Manchester United fans want us to compete with these teams. Barcelona have Neymar and (Lionel) Messi." Your pursuit of players like Ramos, Bale, Muller etc this summer is all of a piece with this. Now this is OK - you have lots of money - but why be in denial about it?
And I think it's fair enough to contrast this with the fact that Spurs will somewhere between six and eight academy/ youth development players in our squad this season, several of them in the first XI.
What pressing issues? It was evident that United wanted to strengthen CM and ADM is a CM.
I'm really contemplating calling you an idiot, but I don't like name calling. The fee for Di Maria was £59.7m as reported by the club itself. What's your reason for throwing up silly & non existent numbers? Your club pissed off about £100m [Bale money] on misfits only 2 seasons ago and you're in a worse financial situation than us. Shut up now.
Try searching for "di Maria 63.9" on the NewsNow site and you'll discover different.
I don't need to, as I can just read the official confirmation on the Man Utd site.
Yeah I mean we didn't need a winger or central midfielder when we signed Di Maria did we?
Glaston such a clown.
Glaston such a clown.
Really not a fan of this shoehorning business. Find a player to fit the team, not the other way round.
Do come off it. The threads on here last summer were full of anguish about it all.
If anyone wants to pay 60 mil for him, he needs his head checked. It is not like he had a season like Bale who was scoring all sorts of long rangers and would many times win matches for Spurs with a piece of individual brilliance. Kane is a proper #9 who is dependent on the service provided. Someone like him is nowhere near worth the crazy amounts you are quoting.
Do it!3 at the back?
3 at the back?
It's a shame for you that Rooney isn't droppable, because while that looks like a very strong midfield & attacking lineup, it would be a lot better with Mephis/Mata/Pedro behind Kane than Rooney there.
I don't dismiss Rooney as easily as a lot of United fans here, but I'd just rather have Mata as my #10.
3 at the back?
We'd probably drop one of the midfield three (potentially Herrera), if we intended to play both of them.
I guess you don't need to if you wish to stick to your ridiculous claim that I've invented the other reports. And how do you know that the figure on the Man. Utd side hasn't ignored potential add-ons?
We needed some quality midfielders and we went for the best available (ADM, Herrera) + Blind.
It was a British record fee reported at 59.7. Why would we leave a few million off?
Can't wait when Kane is playing for us btw, he will achieve so much more.
So you're saying instead of taking the information presented by the official site, the Guardian, the Telegraph and the Independent, we should believe the stories from the Woodward and Bernstein of sports reporting, aka the Star, the Mirror, Caught Offside, and 101 Great Goals.
You are some kind of special.
Why though? I've just shown you proof of players that have scored 20 odd goals in one season, only to never repeat that.
And fwiw he scored 21, not 24.
You could be right there. I do hope LVG plays Smalling instead of Jones or we see them both start, I don't want to see Blind at CB at all. Kane is a big threat in the air and I think Smalling would be best suited for this game and all games in fact because he is our best defender.
if you score 3, we will score 4? haha.
Yeah, but i'd also love to see an attack minded three at the back work in England.
What add-ons could we possibly be paying for Di Maria?
You quote one price with add-ons we won't pay but he price PSG pay with rumoured add-ons excluded. Funny.
Even funnier that you quoted £60m just before but then changed your tune because it looked stupid that Soldado will lose you significantly more money (which you ignored when pointing out flaws of United policy).
too true that.!!
You sure about that?
Not sure what Kane you watched last season but I watched a completely different one from you!
Report below which gives a break down of most of his goals, Scored goals with both feet and head and a mix of goals from inside and outside the box.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/harry-kane-numbers-stats-prove-5408012
His goal against Chelsea where he ran at them showed power, pace, skill and excellent finishing and he most definitely was considered a match winner in that with a brace and two assists in a 5-3 win. I personally liked his goal against Liverpool as well, lovely turn for such a big lad and a composed finish as well.
He also could be considered a match winner or at least saving points in the following:
- Villa 2-1, scored later winner
- Scored equalising goals against Hull & Swansea after going a goal behind on both occasions
- Scores a brace against West Brom for a win.
- Scores another brace against Arsenal after going down a goal
- Rescued a point with a late goal against West Ham
- Hit a hatrick against Leicester (obvious match winner)
- And finally on the last day of the season he scored the only goal in a 1-0 win
That's 21 points right there including the Chelsea match I mentioned at the start.
Spurs would of been mid table or lower if not for Kane's goals last season, fact.
There have been pleanty of examples of players who have one good season & then go on to become regular stars. So what's the point? Hr isny exavtly ricky lambert is he? Look at the goals he scored against chelsea.
Just incase if you haven't noticed; we arnt exactly at the top of the tree at the moment especially for player destinations. Waiting a year and thr next thing you know, chelsea, madrid, city will all be calling out for him.
You clown, you are taking a speculation fee as face value. Try actually reading the article you are quoting the fee from. These are articles before he actaully become a united player.
and 8% to Real Madrid, jeez....this is your source, some home made website reported by the highly known Tom Conn (yes that is his real name)
http://www.insidespanishfootball.com/160059/real-madrid-to-earn-e8m-from-di-marias-sale-to-psg/
I see Glaston is making a tit of himself (again) and will disappear from the caf (again) when spurs get tonked on opening day.
He's definitely not as reliant on service as a traditional #9. He can create something on his own or score a long-range goal.
Except the signing of numerous other "non-galactico" players to address positions of need - especially this year dealing with the gaping hole in our midfield suggests otherwise.
There's nothing wrong with bringing in high quality, top class players. Likewise the best sides - as Van Gaal says, have at least one and often more than one game changer in their side.
It seems you're trying to argue that clubs wouldn't want the best players? Surely all clubs try to buy the best they can with the money they have? Would Spurs want players like that? I'm sure they would if it was an option.
As far as youth players go, Spurs may have a few decent prospects - fair enough and well done. Will they take you to the next level and a top 4 finish this year? I suspect not. If Spurs had a hundred million to spend would they be regulars? Again, as a side wanting top 4 I suspect not. The reality is that these players aren't good enough for top 4 sides as it stands and that's the standard young players at United need to meet. You don't give young players games based on them being youth team players - you pick your best players because ultimately this is about winning games.
Bottom line for me - There is a world of difference between signing umpteen players on reputation with no idea of how to fit them into a team and signing one player like Di Maria to add quality to a side lacking in ability which is where we were. You're being deliberately obtuse in failing to recognise that and frankly, from someone who I usually think posts sense, you're embarrassing yourself.
And have a look at the players who've come through the United Academy over the years. There are loads still playing and plenty of others who've had long careers as professionals. Many more than Spurs have produced.
And there is no evidence at all that United have abandoned their youth system as you seem to suggest. Except your continued pointing to the signing of one player last summer.
Oh Glaston
Anyway, this transfer has my full approval. 40m is fine by me. 50m if he gets a better haircut.
Anyway, this transfer has my full approval. 40m is fine by me. 50m if he gets a better haircut.
Only thing is that there is the matter of Euro 2016. Kane won't want to come and sit on the bench when he can have the starting position at Spurs and have a better chance of going to the tournament.
Why is everyone talking about £40 million? There's feck all chance of Spurs selling him for that amount.
This.
This is all hypothetical, and it won't happen this summer for sure, but if he did come, he'd be up front, Rooney the #10, with Memphis on the left, and Pedro/Mata on the right. Don't think there's much doubt that we'd do that.
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