I always feel it makes you look like a mug holding out for the best possible deal, to the last day of the transfer window if possible, because you've got no time to actually spend the money you've been holding out for (if you plan to reinvest in the squad). Plus, the uncertainty of where the player is going to be at the start of September isn't great for the manager's planning.
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I always feel it makes you look like a mug holding out for the best possible deal, to the last day of the transfer window if possible, because you've got no time to actually spend the money you've been holding out for (if you plan to reinvest in the squad). Plus, the uncertainty of where the player is going to be at the start of September isn't great for the manager's planning.
Obviously we can't really know whether he's the real deal or if it was just a one off fluke of a season (though given the lack of precedent it would be a hell of a fluke if he actually turns out to be shit).
Surely the club will have a better idea though? I mean what's the point in having scouts if they can't look at a player like Kane and make a fair guess as to his ability to sustain quality form or even improve?
If he does have it in him to keep going then he'd be a stellar signing though. A 21 year old English striker who grabs 30 goals a season would be a massive addition.
I could see the club genuinely thinking we're better off taking an informed gamble on him now rather than waiting and potentially losing out on him to one of our rivals in a year or two.
Surely the club will have a better idea though? I mean what's the point in having scouts if they can't look at a player like Kane and make a fair guess as to his ability to sustain quality form or even improve?
If he does have it in him to keep going then he'd be a stellar signing though. A 21 year old English striker who grabs 30 goals a season would be a massive addition.
I could see the club genuinely thinking we're better off taking an informed gamble on him now rather than waiting and potentially losing out on him to one of our rivals in a year or two.
I like Kane and if is his talent continues on from last season to mature then we'll have a great asset for a decade at least as I don't see him running off to Spain, he seems like an Alan Shearer type that will stay put. However I think we are wasting our time trying to deal with Levy, the guy is an extortionist and I don't want us to waste all summer chasing him.
Like some on here .Bit concerned that he could be a one season wonder. Would like to see him have another year at Spurs before spending on him. If this is true of course.
Too early to sign him,its better to wait for one more season before we go after him.
£40M? Do it! The next Alan Shearer - you heard it here first.
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I don't think he's a one season wonder, but I do think it's too early to be buying him for 40m+. Who knows how he'll react to the pressure? Better to wait a year or two.
There was just something about Rooney I'm just not seeing in Kane. But hey, I'm not the manager.
As I told you a while back when you re-quoted "Levy is lying on the beach laughing about Real's £80m bid for Bale", Levy was later seen laughing all the way to the bank to deposit the £90m that we actually ended up getting. And whether or not you think a rejection of £60m for Kane would be stupid, it would still be rejected ... for all the reasons I outlined many weeks ago.
Let me put this another way: the odds of Kane signing for United are 60 million to 1. Dream on.
I agree. Rooney had something which was not quantifiable in statistics but that every football fan could recognise as world class potential.
See my later response, I agree.. Rooney had an x-factor about him which I don't see in Kane.
Again, I'm not advocating we sign him as such .. but LvG likes team players and those that would fit his system, not necessarily individual brilliance. Could he be one?
I agree with this. That's why I said I wasn't the manager. Maybe Van Gaal sees something he can use in Kane.
There's no hope of getting him. Spurs will not be able to replace his goals. I'd imagine Van Gaal knows that he'd be wasting his time with Levy. I am guessing our top realistic target is still Higuain
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Spurs wouldn't want any of these players. Nani because his wage demands would be unacceptable, Hernandez because he would be a very significant down-grade on Kane and Januzaj because he's not an upgrade on what we already have with Chadli and Lamela. In summary, the increased wages would swallow up the £20m in double-quick time - and all in return for a worse starting XI.
In any case, these sort of complex players swaps never happen .... even if Spurs were minded to sell to a Prem rival, which, after the Berbatov saga, Levy will no longer countenance. IF Kane is ever sold it won't be this summer, and he'd be sold abroad.
If Kane truly is a target, then it's going to be a long summer guys. Best dig in!
I agree that kane won't be sold this summer, not because you aren't a selling club, you'll never be capable of keeping a world class player for too long, that much is obvious, but because kane would be worth more in the long term if he keeps his form, it's a risk of course because there's a chance he's just another one season wonder, but it's a risk i'd take if i were levy.
Eventually he'll be sold to a British club whether you like it or not.
So in this scenario, where we somehow persuade Spurs and Levy that they should sell us their most important player, without making us pay a ridiculous fee for a player with one good season under his belt, what's to say Harry "He's one of our own" Kane wouldn't turn us down, since he's made it clear he sees himself there in future? That'd be a particularly low point.
How would Levy be taking a risk by not selling Kane? I get the point you're trying to make, but it's not really a risk, is it?
The reverence held for Levy around here astounds me. He got a couple of good fees in his day. He regularly cuts his nose off to spite his face an he has no hope of fetching near a world record fee for a striker with two good seasons under his belt.
Yep, how can the caf not get the message? You keep telling us Spurs will never again sell a player to United.
If you don't ask in this world you don't get anywhere. I see lots of excuses why we shouldn't go for certain players. It's about time we stopped being so negative and start behaving like a go-getting, ambitious big club
If we like him take a punt, that's what Madrid do
Edit: when trying to type 'behaving' autocorrect put in 'begging'
If we like him take a punt, that's what Madrid do
Edit: when trying to type 'behaving' autocorrect put in 'begging'
Probably just using the Kane 'bid' in order to move along our preferred targets, a smokescreen if you will.
Spurs have always sold, when a good cash bid has come in, that's the essential difference - United have all kinds of income streams that a smaller Club like Spurs can only dream about. If you are over 40, you'll know the list of great players that Spurs have sold, purely because a cash offer has come in & if Kane continues to improve, it will happen with him too - how else will you pay for that new stadium?
I think he'd be good for you, but more importantly spuds would piss away the money on more shite like Soldodo etc. What has even happened to him?
It is indeed a risk, you're offered 40M for a player that may or may not fulfill his potentials based on one good season, we've season one season wonders hundreds of times so it's nothing new.
No white text? What's the point of posts like this or thinking like that? I honestly don't get that and wonder why some actually bother supporting United, if it's such a burden. Nothing you suggested has happened or actually might happen or you might never know. Even if he turns us down, United will survive and keep on winning without Harry fecking Kane.
Madrid never go for a player without making sure he's willing to force his way out of his club, you could say that's the case with otamendi, but i'd be amazed if that's the case with kane.
Bar for Kane whose trajectory is still unknown until otherwise, none of these guys was a mere one-season wonder. Yikes! I just don't know how to think straight with this particular case any more.
But it's not as black and white as 'one-season-wonder' or complete goal-scoring machine.
Say they reject the bid, and he has an underwhelming season. He's still a academy graduate on relatively low wages, who may rediscover his scoring touch.
Probably just using the Kane 'bid' in order to move along our preferred targets, a smokescreen if you will.
Spurs have always sold, when a good cash bid has come in, that's the essential difference - United have all kinds of income streams that a smaller Club like Spurs can only dream about. If you are over 40, you'll know the list of great players that Spurs have sold, purely because a cash offer has come in & if Kane continues to improve, it will happen with him too - how else will you pay for that new stadium?
Yes, like any club (including United), Spurs might sell if a good (i.e. stupendous) cash bid comes in ... but only to a non-Prem club in relation to players that we'd otherwise wish to keep. But we don't need to do this to pay for the new stadium: the construction of this is already underway and Levy is not the type of chairman to gamble its financing on the vagaries of the transfer market when there are many other financing resources available, including the sale of naming rights and corporate boxes, bank loans ... and other financing resources which may be revealed in due course
You want to be careful. At this rate, we might tap up Levy.
You could wait, sometimes the spuds let their best player go on a free to another Prem club.
Actually I keep telling you that Spurs will never again sell to another Prem rival (it's not exclusive to United). But despite the fact that the Berbatov saga was 7 years ago and counting - and despite the fact that United wanted Bale and that both United and Chelski wanted Modric - not many Caftards appear to have realised this reality ... at least not judging by this thread.
Madrid wanted Modric and Bale. If they didn't they would be playing for Chelsea and Utd respectively. This 'wont sell to an English club' thing is nice bravado but that's all it is, bravado.
Yeah, they'd rather sell to abroad, but they will sell to an English club if the offer is good enough, like when we bought Berbatov.
Yes, like any club (including United), Spurs might sell if a good (i.e. stupendous) cash bid comes in ... but only to a non-Prem club in relation to players that we'd otherwise wish to keep. But we don't need to do this to pay for the new stadium: the construction of this is already underway and Levy is not the type of chairman to gamble its financing on the vagaries of the transfer market when there are many other financing resources available, including the sale of naming rights and corporate boxes, bank loans ... and other financing resources which may be revealed in due course
The last top player United sold for purely monetary reasons, was Mark Hughes, to Barcelona, in 1986. Every other top player that has parted company has either been because we were good & ready to move them on, Beckham, RVP, Stam etc or in the case of Ronaldo, we respected his wishes to go to Madrid, after 6 very fruitful years. Neither he nor the others, were sold to improve the bank balance & I think you know that to be the case.
And for the record, United & Spurs are not Prem rivals
Spurs will absolutely rinse us for him, I think he's too much of a gamble at the moment. One more season at Spurs and if he performs again then sure go for him even though the price will be higher.
The reason United and Chelsea didn't get Bale and Modric wasn't just because they were English, but because Real Madrid are generally the most attractive club in world football in that they both have money, and players want to go there. They're above United and Chelsea for pulling power.
Exactly. If Kane continues his development and attracts interest from Spain then he'll end up there. Spurs would obviously rather have that.
If he ends up a top player but with no Spanish interest then he's getting sold domestically. No amount of bravado can change that.
Hilarious.
If Kane does develop to be top draw, he will be playing for a club other than Spurs within a season or two. No question.
It's really strange that you continue to stubbornly think that Spurs are some exception to the rule of the economic food chain in football. This despite you consistently losing your best players to bigger fish.
He will earn double-to-treble tomorrow if he moves to United. You think any notion of ''loyalty'' will make him turn his nose up at joining the giant of the league and trebling his wages? Get real.
Players decide where they play. The best any club has ever done in resisting a players wishes is keeping them for one more season.
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