Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

frostbite said:
I'd prefer Kane for 150m than Hojlund+Mount+Onana.
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Would be a dumb way to spend 150m only to still be a mediocre club for the 2 years of elite level play Kane has left in the prem before he really starts dropping..

It's one thing if the the team was playing like a very good team and just missing a CF, or that was the difference for us becoming a top 3 team in Europe. Then go for it. Otherwise it's just dumb planning to spend big on a 30 year old when at best we are a fringe 4th place side until the entire team is up to par and the system is also of a good enough level to compete with Pep/Klopp.
 
Remember the geese said:
I don't see how. Kane has been brilliant for the best part of a decade.
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Not all of us have seen him day in day out. I certainly didn't.
What I expected was a very good striker who might struggle a bit with his lack of pace in our squad. What we obviously got is a total monster. This guy's decision making and anticipation are on a different level. He just seems to be always exactly where he needs to be, and his execution, be it passing or finishing, is sublime. Oh, and he has already proven himself as a true leader. If he sees out his contract here, he will be our next captain, once Neuer has retired.
In my whole life as a follower I've never seen a single guy making such an impact after just 10 games. Bonkers. He's going to make Lewa's legacy quite a bit smaller, me thinks.
 
2ndTouch said:
Not all of us have seen him day in day out. I certainly didn't.
What I expected was a very good striker who might struggle a bit with his lack of pace in our squad. What we obviously got is a total monster. This guy's decision making and anticipation are on a different level. He just seems to be always exactly where he needs to be, and his execution, be it passing or finishing, is sublime. Oh, and he has already proven himself as a true leader. If he sees out his contract here, he will be our next captain, once Neuer has retired.
In my whole life as a follower I've never seen a single guy making such an impact after just 10 games. Bonkers. He's going to make Lewa's legacy quite a bit smaller, me thinks.
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Yeah, it's of no surprise to anyone who has watched him play every week for the last decade. The guy is the best striker in the world. Obviously not as quick as Haaland, but a similar calibre of finisher, whilst being on a completely different level to him as a footballer. Some looked down on him because he was at Spurs. Also, some go overboard in their criticism of English players, possibly to counteract those who heavily overrate the mere average/good players. They have always been very foolish in Kane's case.
 
bosnian_red said:
Would be a dumb way to spend 150m only to still be a mediocre club for the 2 years of elite level play Kane has left in the prem before he really starts dropping..

It's one thing if the the team was playing like a very good team and just missing a CF, or that was the difference for us becoming a top 3 team in Europe. Then go for it. Otherwise it's just dumb planning to spend big on a 30 year old when at best we are a fringe 4th place side until the entire team is up to par and the system is also of a good enough level to compete with Pep/Klopp.
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We were third last year though without scoring a lot, suggesting the structure was there, this season is even worse we can't score goals at all and it's a confidence game. If Kane papers over the cracks of this season at the beginning then maybe the team starts to kick into gear. The new signings haven't made us any better at all, whereas we know Kane would. Kane is still hungry for it, he can easily go to 34 or 35 at a high level. It's not like a 30-year-old that has won the World Cup, Champions League and is looking for a payday.
 
IMO the best player in the world right now although I'll hear arguments for Bellingham.

Just love watching him play. It's rare to see such a good goalscorer also be such a complete overall footballer.
 
With Kane, without wanting to sound obvious, we are in the top 4, and also in the top 2 in the Champions League group, it's very indicative of the club these days to be so unambitious.
 
Appletonred said:
With Kane, without wanting to sound obvious, we are in the top 4, and also in the top 2 in the Champions League group, it's very indicative of the club these days to be so unambitious.
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Not sure you would. I got a bit of flack before this season for saying that there wasn't a single player from United I'd want at Bayern. I don't think you guys having Kane would "fix" United. Maybe you'd be top 2 in our group, but not top 4 in the league, for that there's way too much that doesn't click.
 
Amazed as to how many on here didn’t want him at Utd …too old, too expensive blah blah
 
RedStarUnited said:
Are you people seeing the goals he is scoring? He is at the end of chances. He is not some prime Messi.

He wouldn't have that many goals here.
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Kane also very good at play making, create for others, which we're lacking too. Not saying we would be in top form with him, but definitely not as frustrating when our chance creators are also out of form leaving our CF isolated, and starve of chances.
 
Yes Kane is a crazily good player and has been for ages. He is like a combination of Lewandowski and De Bruyne and that’s not even hyperbole. He is a little bit slow is the only thing. But he will be going for bloody ages as when his legs have gone he’ll still do a great job for some team as a playmaker as the game intelligence is really maxed out!
 
Terrific player, probably my favorite non-United footballer ever since he burst onto the scene in 2014-15 period. We didn't get him but am happy he at least went to Bayern and not one of our rivals.
 
His all round play is actually fantastic. His passing ability is under appreciated.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Are you people seeing the goals he is scoring? He is at the end of chances. He is not some prime Messi.

He wouldn't have that many goals here.
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From Coman/Sane to Rashford/Antony :nervous:
 
awop said:
From Coman/Sane to Rashford/Antony :nervous:
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It actually is pretty distributed who provides for him...

Assists for his goals until now came from
Nobody 3
Sane 2 (just in the last 3 matches, before none)
Mazraoui 2
Phonzie 2
Tel, Kimmich, Pavlovic, Coman, Müller, Goretzka - each one

and he scored 4 penalties
 
InspiRED said:
Yes Kane is a crazily good player and has been for ages. He is like a combination of Lewandowski and De Bruyne and that’s not even hyperbole. He is a little bit slow is the only thing. But he will be going for bloody ages as when his legs have gone he’ll still do a great job for some team as a playmaker as the game intelligence is really maxed out!
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That’s hyperbole.
 
Blackwidow said:
It actually is pretty distributed who provides for him...

Assists for his goals until now came from
Nobody 3
Sane 2 (just in the last 3 matches, before none)
Mazraoui 2
Phonzie 2
Tel, Kimmich, Pavlovic, Coman, Müller, Goretzka - each one

and he scored 4 penalties
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This Nobody seems to be an assist machine so far. Would love him at United.
 
united_99 said:
This Nobody seems to be an assist machine so far. Would love him at United.
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Doesn't nobody help you sometimes, too. Or own goal. Or the handball in the box from a defender?

Nobody is e.g. the player of the opposition that gives the ball away etc. Blocked balls that fall into your paths etc.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Are you people seeing the goals he is scoring? He is at the end of chances. He is not some prime Messi.

He wouldn't have that many goals here.
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He currently sits at 19G+7A in 15 matches. That's some prime Messi productivity at least
 
Hakara said:
Not sure you would. I got a bit of flack before this season for saying that there wasn't a single player from United I'd want at Bayern. I don't think you guys having Kane would "fix" United. Maybe you'd be top 2 in our group, but not top 4 in the league, for that there's way too much that doesn't click.
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I wanted to say that this is a bit over the top. Then I looked at United‘s squad.
Let me put it this way: there aren’t too many I‘d want at Bayern.
 
Acrobat7 said:
I wanted to say that this is a bit over the top. Then I looked at United‘s squad.
Let me put it this way: there aren’t too many I‘d want at Bayern.
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Who are the few? I feel like a fit Shaw and Casemiro would be good for Bayern's squad, but besides those two I struggle to think about who would improve their squad... and even those two would likely be for squad depth and not starters.
 
2ndTouch said:
Not all of us have seen him day in day out. I certainly didn't.
What I expected was a very good striker who might struggle a bit with his lack of pace in our squad. What we obviously got is a total monster. This guy's decision making and anticipation are on a different level. He just seems to be always exactly where he needs to be, and his execution, be it passing or finishing, is sublime. Oh, and he has already proven himself as a true leader. If he sees out his contract here, he will be our next captain, once Neuer has retired.
In my whole life as a follower I've never seen a single guy making such an impact after just 10 games. Bonkers. He's going to make Lewa's legacy quite a bit smaller, me thinks.
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You seem very excited but I would gently suggest that you wait until Bayern Munich actually achieve something concrete and substantial behind Kane's goals before you start getting carried away and talking about the reduction of other people's legacies. My issue with him was that he never scored when you really needed him to score in huge, critical games, for both Spurs AND England (World Cup 2022 being the latest glaring example of this - he basically cost England a trip to the final). Scoring lots of goals at the beginning of the season, whilst admirable for a new team in a new league, does not a legend make.
 
RedStarUnited said:
Are you people seeing the goals he is scoring? He is at the end of chances. He is not some prime Messi.

He wouldn't have that many goals here.
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Messi would probably have less goals than McT in this side, he'd just never get the ball and when he did and scored, it would be ruled out for Casemiro breathing to loudly near the ref.
 
stefan92 said:
Who are the few? I feel like a fit Shaw and Casemiro would be good for Bayern's squad, but besides those two I struggle to think about who would improve their squad... and even those two would likely be for squad depth and not starters.
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Starters? Maybe Martinez but no one besides him.

Squad depth definietly Shaw, yes. Unfortunately I am not really counting Casemiro and Varane anymore. I think they are done playing at the hightest level.
Mount is someone that I would take as well and Sancho. There is a great footballer in him somewhere and I believe a lot of his struggles are not physical and can hopefully be fixed by a new environment.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
That’s hyperbole.
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It is but not by that much. He is not only a goal-making machine but has significantly improved playmaking upfront in our attack. He is also the start of many attacks and is brilliant at passing. Obviously he won't have the same number of assists as De Bruyne, but I'd argue he has the best passing of any central striker in the world at the moment.
 
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strongwalker said:
from what i percieve, you fellas bought a couple of them for half a billion quid
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Nah, the opposite actually. If we had bought them maybe we would be doing better. But only Antony could fall under this category, but actually not even that as he wasn’t a Nobody at all for ETH.
Plus (multiple) CL winners Varane, Casimiro, Mount were anything but a Nobody.
 
theralyst said:
His all round play is actually fantastic. His passing ability is under appreciated.
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Kane has no doubt had a fantastic start to the season and is a great player, but his passing and all round play is overappreciated if anything.

Try to rank these player on pass completion rate this season:
Kane, Haaland, Watkins, Lewa, Hojlund and our own, in manys eyes, wasteful Bruno

Answer: 1. Watkins, 2. Haaland, 3. Lewa, 4. Hojlund, 5. Bruno (our wasteful captain) and yes. 6. Kane

Of course, these players do not have identical roles and have different involvementlevels in their games, but 68,1% pass completion rate is low for anyone.
He's good at long passes, but below average for short and medium long passes when it comes to pass completion.

When it comes to the same players and key passes (passes that leads to shots) per 90 minutes:
Bruno 2,66 - Watkins 1,79 - Kane 1,26 - Lewa 1,12 - Haaland 1,0 - Hojlund 0,99

Kane has never produced more chances than he has so far this season in his entire career.
He likes to fall deep and participate in build up and distribution to the wingers more often that the classic 9 (who stretches the pitch more, hangs more on the shoulder of the defenders and spends more time in the box) so usually is more involved in games than players like Haaland and Osimhen.

How do you think his dribbling is compared to other #9s?
This season he's attempted 18 dribbles and succeded 8 times (44%)
Better than Watkins (37%), but worse than Haaland (50%), Lewa (58%) and Hojlund (60%)

He's also dispossessed (from tackles and mishandling the ball) more than some of these guys:
Lewa (4,49/90), Hojlund (3,66/90), Kane (3,4/90), Watkins (3,17/90), our own "wastefull" Bruno (2,73/90) and Haaland (2,21/90)

He almost never carries the ball into the box (0,22/90) compared the others (0,5/90 and more)

He's playing for a great team that produce by far the most chances in Europe (3,14 xG/game vs. Liverpool (highest in the PL) with 2,43 xG/90) and has scored a mindblowing 3,8 goals per match so far. He gets the best service in the business by miles and will have fantastic number for Bayern with his finishing.
He's a great finisher, but I don't think he'll keep up overperforming his xG by 50% the entire season.
He has one goal from outside the box this season and 9 of his 12 open play goals in the Bundesliga is from tapins (+0,4 gxG chances) compared to Haalands 3 out of 9 open play goals for instance.
 
troylocker said:
Kane has no doubt had a fantastic start to the season and is a great player, but his passing and all round play is overappreciated if anything.

Try to rank these player on pass completion rate this season:
Kane, Haaland, Watkins, Lewa, Hojlund and our own, in manys eyes, wasteful Bruno

Answer: 1. Watkins, 2. Haaland, 3. Lewa, 4. Hojlund, 5. Bruno (our wasteful captain) and yes. 6. Kane

Of course, these players do not have identical roles and have different involvementlevels in their games, but 68,1% pass completion rate is low for anyone.
He's good at long passes, but below average for short and medium long passes when it comes to pass completion.

When it comes to the same players and key passes (passes that leads to shots) per 90 minutes:
Bruno 2,66 - Watkins 1,79 - Kane 1,26 - Lewa 1,12 - Haaland 1,0 - Hojlund 0,99

Kane has never produced more chances than he has so far this season in his entire career.
He likes to fall deep and participate in build up and distribution to the wingers more often that the classic 9 (who stretches the pitch more, hangs more on the shoulder of the defenders and spends more time in the box) so usually is more involved in games than players like Haaland and Osimhen.

How do you think his dribbling is compared to other #9s?
This season he's attempted 18 dribbles and succeded 8 times (44%)
Better than Watkins (37%), but worse than Haaland (50%), Lewa (58%) and Hojlund (60%)

He's also dispossessed (from tackles and mishandling the ball) more than some of these guys:
Lewa (4,49/90), Hojlund (3,66/90), Kane (3,4/90), Watkins (3,17/90), our own "wastefull" Bruno (2,73/90) and Haaland (2,21/90)

He almost never carries the ball into the box (0,22/90) compared the others (0,5/90 and more)

He's playing for a great team that produce by far the most chances in Europe (3,14 xG/game vs. Liverpool (highest in the PL) with 2,43 xG/90) and has scored a mindblowing 3,8 goals per match so far. He gets the best service in the business by miles and will have fantastic number for Bayern with his finishing.
He's a great finisher, but I don't think he'll keep up overperforming his xG by 50% the entire season.
He has one goal from outside the box this season and 9 of his 12 open play goals in the Bundesliga is from tapins (+0,4 gxG chances) compared to Haalands 3 out of 9 open play goals for instance.
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I always appreciate it when you roll out these analyses.
 
troylocker said:
Kane has no doubt had a fantastic start to the season and is a great player, but his passing and all round play is overappreciated if anything.

Try to rank these player on pass completion rate this season:
Kane, Haaland, Watkins, Lewa, Hojlund and our own, in manys eyes, wasteful Bruno

Answer: 1. Watkins, 2. Haaland, 3. Lewa, 4. Hojlund, 5. Bruno (our wasteful captain) and yes. 6. Kane

Of course, these players do not have identical roles and have different involvementlevels in their games, but 68,1% pass completion rate is low for anyone.
He's good at long passes, but below average for short and medium long passes when it comes to pass completion.

When it comes to the same players and key passes (passes that leads to shots) per 90 minutes:
Bruno 2,66 - Watkins 1,79 - Kane 1,26 - Lewa 1,12 - Haaland 1,0 - Hojlund 0,99

Kane has never produced more chances than he has so far this season in his entire career.
He likes to fall deep and participate in build up and distribution to the wingers more often that the classic 9 (who stretches the pitch more, hangs more on the shoulder of the defenders and spends more time in the box) so usually is more involved in games than players like Haaland and Osimhen.

How do you think his dribbling is compared to other #9s?
This season he's attempted 18 dribbles and succeded 8 times (44%)
Better than Watkins (37%), but worse than Haaland (50%), Lewa (58%) and Hojlund (60%)

He's also dispossessed (from tackles and mishandling the ball) more than some of these guys:
Lewa (4,49/90), Hojlund (3,66/90), Kane (3,4/90), Watkins (3,17/90), our own "wastefull" Bruno (2,73/90) and Haaland (2,21/90)

He almost never carries the ball into the box (0,22/90) compared the others (0,5/90 and more)

He's playing for a great team that produce by far the most chances in Europe (3,14 xG/game vs. Liverpool (highest in the PL) with 2,43 xG/90) and has scored a mindblowing 3,8 goals per match so far. He gets the best service in the business by miles and will have fantastic number for Bayern with his finishing.
He's a great finisher, but I don't think he'll keep up overperforming his xG by 50% the entire season.
He has one goal from outside the box this season and 9 of his 12 open play goals in the Bundesliga is from tapins (+0,4 gxG chances) compared to Haalands 3 out of 9 open play goals for instance.
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troylocker said:
Kane has no doubt had a fantastic start to the season and is a great player, but his passing and all round play is overappreciated if anything.

Try to rank these player on pass completion rate this season:
Kane, Haaland, Watkins, Lewa, Hojlund and our own, in manys eyes, wasteful Bruno

Answer: 1. Watkins, 2. Haaland, 3. Lewa, 4. Hojlund, 5. Bruno (our wasteful captain) and yes. 6. Kane

Of course, these players do not have identical roles and have different involvementlevels in their games, but 68,1% pass completion rate is low for anyone.
He's good at long passes, but below average for short and medium long passes when it comes to pass completion.

When it comes to the same players and key passes (passes that leads to shots) per 90 minutes:
Bruno 2,66 - Watkins 1,79 - Kane 1,26 - Lewa 1,12 - Haaland 1,0 - Hojlund 0,99

Kane has never produced more chances than he has so far this season in his entire career.
He likes to fall deep and participate in build up and distribution to the wingers more often that the classic 9 (who stretches the pitch more, hangs more on the shoulder of the defenders and spends more time in the box) so usually is more involved in games than players like Haaland and Osimhen.

How do you think his dribbling is compared to other #9s?
This season he's attempted 18 dribbles and succeded 8 times (44%)
Better than Watkins (37%), but worse than Haaland (50%), Lewa (58%) and Hojlund (60%)

He's also dispossessed (from tackles and mishandling the ball) more than some of these guys:
Lewa (4,49/90), Hojlund (3,66/90), Kane (3,4/90), Watkins (3,17/90), our own "wastefull" Bruno (2,73/90) and Haaland (2,21/90)

He almost never carries the ball into the box (0,22/90) compared the others (0,5/90 and more)

He's playing for a great team that produce by far the most chances in Europe (3,14 xG/game vs. Liverpool (highest in the PL) with 2,43 xG/90) and has scored a mindblowing 3,8 goals per match so far. He gets the best service in the business by miles and will have fantastic number for Bayern with his finishing.
He's a great finisher, but I don't think he'll keep up overperforming his xG by 50% the entire season.
He has one goal from outside the box this season and 9 of his 12 open play goals in the Bundesliga is from tapins (+0,4 gxG chances) compared to Haalands 3 out of 9 open play goals for instance.
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I think you have the right statistics but the wrong interpretation. Kane clearly creates the most key passes of any single center striker out of the ones you've mentioned. (Watkins is playing as a striker in 4-4-2 and thus sharing more space). Given that he is clearly the final target in Bayern's attackk (similar to Haaland in City), he creates 25% more key passes.

Let's keep in mind that the majority of teams are defending heavily against So asking him to carry the ball into the box is a little bit of a tall order.

I've seen both Kane and Lewa play for us and everyone who has been following our matches would agree that Kane is contributing more to playmaking than Lewy did. Both were spectacular, of course, but I'd still rank Kane over Lewa in terms of passing the ball. lewa is able to play very good short passes inside the box when space is tight, but Kane is distributing the ball much more widely.

I agree though , his shots outside of the box are atrocious ;)

 
troylocker said:
Try to rank these player on pass completion rate this season:
Kane, Haaland, Watkins, Lewa, Hojlund and our own, in manys eyes, wasteful Bruno

Answer: 1. Watkins, 2. Haaland, 3. Lewa, 4. Hojlund, 5. Bruno (our wasteful captain) and yes. 6. Kane
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I've seen a lot of Haaland over the years and unless he's improved his playmaking by about 200% he's not on Kane's level in that regard. Passes completed without context is a worthless stat to measure a players playmaking and passing ability. Kane pins long balls like prime Xabi Alonso or Pirlo, it's amazing to see.

I always knew Kane was good, but I didn't watch all that many Spurs matches. So I didn't know he was THIS good. He's something else. Lewy's finishing paired with superior playmaking. If he was just a little more explosive he would be very close to being the perfect lab-created striker.
 
troylocker said:
Kane has no doubt had a fantastic start to the season and is a great player, but his passing and all round play is overappreciated if anything.

Try to rank these player on pass completion rate this season:
Kane, Haaland, Watkins, Lewa, Hojlund and our own, in manys eyes, wasteful Bruno

Answer: 1. Watkins, 2. Haaland, 3. Lewa, 4. Hojlund, 5. Bruno (our wasteful captain) and yes. 6. Kane

Of course, these players do not have identical roles and have different involvementlevels in their games, but 68,1% pass completion rate is low for anyone.
He's good at long passes, but below average for short and medium long passes when it comes to pass completion.

When it comes to the same players and key passes (passes that leads to shots) per 90 minutes:
Bruno 2,66 - Watkins 1,79 - Kane 1,26 - Lewa 1,12 - Haaland 1,0 - Hojlund 0,99

Kane has never produced more chances than he has so far this season in his entire career.
He likes to fall deep and participate in build up and distribution to the wingers more often that the classic 9 (who stretches the pitch more, hangs more on the shoulder of the defenders and spends more time in the box) so usually is more involved in games than players like Haaland and Osimhen.

How do you think his dribbling is compared to other #9s?
This season he's attempted 18 dribbles and succeded 8 times (44%)
Better than Watkins (37%), but worse than Haaland (50%), Lewa (58%) and Hojlund (60%)

He's also dispossessed (from tackles and mishandling the ball) more than some of these guys:
Lewa (4,49/90), Hojlund (3,66/90), Kane (3,4/90), Watkins (3,17/90), our own "wastefull" Bruno (2,73/90) and Haaland (2,21/90)

He almost never carries the ball into the box (0,22/90) compared the others (0,5/90 and more)

He's playing for a great team that produce by far the most chances in Europe (3,14 xG/game vs. Liverpool (highest in the PL) with 2,43 xG/90) and has scored a mindblowing 3,8 goals per match so far. He gets the best service in the business by miles and will have fantastic number for Bayern with his finishing.
He's a great finisher, but I don't think he'll keep up overperforming his xG by 50% the entire season.
He has one goal from outside the box this season and 9 of his 12 open play goals in the Bundesliga is from tapins (+0,4 gxG chances) compared to Haalands 3 out of 9 open play goals for instance.
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Kane already proved himself leading PL multiple times playing for a much inferior side than City "without getting the best service in the business by miles". He led the PL in goal-scoring without playing for a top side like City or Liverpool something Haaland could not do even in Germany. Let's see how Haaland would perform if they swapped sides with Kane playing for City and Haaland for Spurs, see if Haaland could carry Spurs like Kane with his non-existent build-up, link-up play skills, dropping deeep and zero creativity.

You're downgrading Kane, one of the most complete strikers of current generation, for his tap-ins in defense of Haaland, the tap-in king.

The same XG stats show Son, Salah, Bowen, Mbeumo, Hee-Chan Hwang, Douglas Luis, Nketiah etc. are doing better than Haaland in the PL. All of these stats come with significant flaws. Players like Andre Silva, Schick, Nkunku, Diaby did similar or better than Haaland playing for non-Bayern teams in Bundesliga.

For ex. dispossession stats, obviously if you touch the ball at times less than the goalkeeper without much involvement in the build-up play, you'll get less dispossessed. The more risk-taker you are like most playmakers looking for opportunities to create something out of nothing, the more likely you'll get dispossessed. Leao, KDB, Neymar, Messi. Vinicius, Mbappe all have high dispossession stats.
 
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