Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

a Liverpool team that regularly outperformed Bayern in the CL for years.
In the last five years:
Runners-up, R16, R16, winners, QF

QF, QF, winners, R16, QF

I mixed up the chronological order to make it a bit more difficult: which run of results belongs to which club? No googling!
 
Lots of people thought they had a chance in the champions league last season. They breezed out of a group which included eventual finalists inter and eventual La Liga champions Barcelona and through to the quarter finals by beating PSG by conceding just 2 goals (in one game, against none of the clubs I've just mentioned).

They just happened to come across the best team with the best manager in the QF. They will rightly only be behind city this season, as theyve just added a highly rated CB and a top 3 striker in the world.

They're not as good as city, but the relatively clear of the rest imo.
Whenever I looked at CL predictions last year they were always City, Real, Liverpool or a few dreamers went with Napoli. The first 3 were comfortably ahead of Bayern and even PSG would probably have been considered more likely (the lack of belief in them seemed to stem moreso from their tendency to bottle the CL in the past instead of ther actual ability). Granted adding Kane does immediately make Bayern a much stronger team than last season so it's maybe a bit more realistic this year.
 
In the last five years:
Runners-up, R16, R16, winners, QF

QF, QF, winners, R16, QF

I mixed up the chronological order to make it a bit more difficult: which run of results belongs to which club? No googling!
1st one has to be Liverpool because they were in 2 finals and Bayern only won 1 CL in recent years. Does that prove Bayern were better because they got to QF 2 more times than Liverpool? Admittedly I didn't realise Pool got knocked out in R16 twice but still, they were in 2 finals
 
1st one has to be Liverpool because they were in 2 finals and Bayern only won 1 CL in recent years. Does that prove Bayern were better because they got to QF 2 more times than Liverpool? Admittedly I didn't realise Pool got knocked out in R16 twice but still, they were in 2 finals
My point is that "regularly outperformed" is a massive stretch. Their results are overall comparable. And that's comparing with Klopp's Liverpool, a team that reached heights in this period that neither the current Arsenal nor the current United side reached. Bayern have a stronger squad than any English club bar City and a better recent history in the competition than three out of the four participating English clubs.

PSG are a mess with an imbalanced squad and they are habitual underachievers; Barcelona got knocked out of a group that Bayern crushed with ease last season, and it's not like they have significantly strengthened (though Gundogan should be a good signing); Real Madrid lost its main striker, Modric and Kroos are another year older and Courtois suffered a potentially season-ending injury.

Bayern made very good signings, on paper at least, and have now addressed their biggest gap in the squad. Second favourites is absolutely correct.
 
We have been involved early but allegedly considered that the price asked by Spurs was too rich. If they are asking 120m+ from Spurs, I don't even want to know what Levy asked from United.
Yeah, according to the BBC the deal for Bayern is £86.4 million, and we must surely have known way back then that it would take a bid of around £100 million for us to sign him, so I'm amazed we haven't gone in with £100 million bid now (on the assumption that Kane would prefer to come to us than Bayern, which obviously may not be the case) to test Levy's resolve.
 
Yeah, according to the BBC the deal for Bayern is £86.4 million, and we must surely have known way back then that it would take a bid of around £100 million for us to sign him, so I'm amazed we haven't gone in with £100 million bid now (on the assumption that Kane would prefer to come to us than Bayern, which obviously may not be the case) to test Levy's resolve.

You don't know how much we offered and how much Levy may have suggested. The only thing that we know is that United did get involved and that we decided to target someone else. The likely scenario is that Levy did what he did with Modric and Bale, he asked for significantly more from United/Chelsea than he was willing to accept from Real Madrid or in this case Bayern.
 
In the last five years:
Runners-up, R16, R16, winners, QF

QF, QF, winners, R16, QF

I mixed up the chronological order to make it a bit more difficult: which run of results belongs to which club? No googling!
Liverpool's better obviously, 2 finals compared to one.
 
Yeah, the "no value in the market" Fergie. People are rewriting history.
He was willing to break records, particularly for strikers.

The "no value in the market" thing was really only happening in the last few years of his reign.
 
You don't know how much we offered and how much Levy may have suggested. The only thing that we know is that United did get involved and that we decided to target someone else. The likely scenario is that Levy did what he did with Modric and Bale, he asked for significantly more from United/Chelsea than he was willing to accept from Real Madrid or in this case Bayern.
Yes, I understand this, but there is a difference between quoting us a price in June, when everything was up in the air, to testing his resolve now when he has accepted £86.4 million from Bayern, 2 days before the season starts. An extra £15 million could mean an additional player for Postecoglou, or the difference between a top tier player or a second tier player. I'm not for one minute saying that Levy would cave and sell to us, I'm just surprised we haven't tested that.
 
Yeah, according to the BBC the deal for Bayern is £86.4 million, and we must surely have known way back then that it would take a bid of around £100 million for us to sign him, so I'm amazed we haven't gone in with £100 million bid now (on the assumption that Kane would prefer to come to us than Bayern, which obviously may not be the case) to test Levy's resolve.

BBC missing the add ons there. It's £86.4 million plus another £17 million in add ons going by the latest tweets (€100m + €20m), so already over £100m. Seems beyond what we could afford to throw at them at the moment
 
Yeah, according to the BBC the deal for Bayern is £86.4 million, and we must surely have known way back then that it would take a bid of around £100 million for us to sign him, so I'm amazed we haven't gone in with £100 million bid now (on the assumption that Kane would prefer to come to us than Bayern, which obviously may not be the case) to test Levy's resolve.

Are we not currently waiting to sell McTominay and Maguire before we can sign much needed cover in defence and midfield for a combined price of nearly half of what Kane would cost?
 
Personally I would prefer to sign Kane and take the risk with the defensive and midfield cover.

Hopefully Kane can score 4 when Jonny Evans and Eriksen get run over at the Etihad.

Also even if that was your choice. You're still about 40m light unless the Glazers allow you to use the credit facility (they won't).
 
what are the add-ons? They might never be achieved.

It doesn't matter what the addons are, the price for Bayern is already very high and there is zero reason to believe that Levy would sell for a similar price to a PL side, he hasn't done that in more than a decade.
 
Hopefully Kane can score 4 when Jonny Evans and Eriksen get run over at the Etihad.

Also even if that was your choice. You're still about 40m light unless the Glazers allow you to use the credit facility (they won't).
Well look, we are talking about a hypothetical situation here, so I might as well say I hope a back up midfielder and centre-half can score 4 when we're relying on a crocked Tony Martial at the Etihad. Maguire was a liability last season and rarely trusted, so I'd be comfortable with Jonny Evans and/or Luke Shaw covering with Malacia at left-back. Similarly I'd happily see Mainoo playing more if needed, Eriksen had to be rushed back into the side before he was ready last year, but with the Mount signing that shouldn't be so much of an issue.

Re: the Glazers, again you're talking like you are inside their heads - an extra £40 million to get the fans off their back over the never-ending takeover might appeal to them, who knows?
 
It doesn't matter what the addons are, the price for Bayern is already very high and there is zero reason to believe that Levy would sell for a similar price to a PL side, he hasn't done that in more than a decade.
If Bayern didn’t give in to Levy’s demands, Levy would be in a difficult position come deadline day.
 
It doesn't matter what the addons are, the price for Bayern is already very high and there is zero reason to believe that Levy would sell for a similar price to a PL side, he hasn't done that in more than a decade.
Well it does matter a bit. For instance if there is a clause that said something like an extra £10 million to Spurs if Bayern win the CL then I'm sure Bayern would be very happy to pay it, same as United would be. I've been quite clear that I'm not suggesting that Levy would sell to us for a similar price, I literally said £15 million more, and that could be plus the same kind of add ons agreed with Bayern.
 
If Bayern didn’t give in to Levy’s demands, Levy would be in a difficult position come deadline day.

Or he would be perfectly fine when Kane once again extends his contract. This is speculative but I'm pretty sure that Kane has been part of the issue, I wouldn't be surprised if he agreed on a short extension in September if none of the clubs he wants to join made an offer that suits Spurs.
 
Well it does matter a bit. For instance if there is a clause that said something like an extra £10 million to Spurs if Bayern win the CL then I'm sure Bayern would be very happy to pay it, same as United would be. I've been quite clear that I'm not suggesting that Levy would sell to us for a similar price, I literally said £15 million more, and that could be plus the same kind of add ons agreed with Bayern.

You are assuming that both agreements would be in the same ballpark when it's perfectly possible that Bayern total price is 120m while english clubs total price is 160m.
 
You are assuming that both agreements would be in the same ballpark when it's perfectly possible that Bayern total price is 120m while english clubs total price is 160m.
Yes, and you are assuming that the price would be wildly different! Businessmen like money at the end of the day, and even for a guy as rich as Joe Lewis £15 million is not pocket change.
 
It’s fairly obvious he would have been on our list, if not top of it, but the price would have not only affected other positions but also haggling over a transfer all summer only for the transfer not to happen would have been hugely disruptive to our rebuild.
 
Yes, and you are assuming that the price would be wildly different! Businessmen like money at the end of the day, and even for a guy as rich as Joe Lewis £15 million is not pocket change.

I'm basing it on Levy past tendencies and gave you examples. Levy took less from Madrid than Chelsea, City and United allegedly offered, nearly a third less.

And Joe Lewis doesn't give a damn about that kind of money, it doesn't go in his pockets and he makes way more than that himself.
 
We wanted him but Spurs absolutely did not want to sell to a Premier League rival. City last year and us this year.

Nothing we can do about that.
 
Doesn’t exactly scream “never going to happen” to me.

More usual lines that managers say when talking about players from other clubs.
:lol: I mean it was never going to happen that we were going to bid over the last few weeks, I imagine we did want Kane at the start but as soon as our attention shifted to Hojlund that was it.
 
I still think Arsenal and Utd's sides are pretty close to Bayern's, especially Arsenal. Both finished above a Liverpool team that regularly outperformed Bayern in the CL for years.

the feck you are on about

Pretty sure Bayern was a top 3 betting favorite every year in the last decade or so.

And Bayern clearly was the 2nd best team in the CL last year, even in the tie with City Bayern actually would have won that tie by xGoals, just didnt take their chances. Premier League fans love to act like City steamrolled them, but objectively Bayern was the better team in 3 of the 4 halves.
 
the feck you are on about

Pretty sure Bayern was a top 3 betting favorite every year in the last decade or so.

And Bayern clearly was the 2nd best team in the CL last year, even in the tie with City Bayern actually would have won that tie by xGoals, just didnt take their chances. Premier League fans love to act like City steamrolled them, but objectively Bayern was the better team in 3 of the 4 halves.
:lol:Yeah sadly Champions League knockout ties are not decided by them.
 
Re: the Glazers, again you're talking like you are inside their heads - an extra £40 million to get the fans off their back over the never-ending takeover might appeal to them, who knows?

Well I know, as they haven't don't it. We are literally waiting to sell to sign.
 
the feck you are on about

Pretty sure Bayern was a top 3 betting favorite every year in the last decade or so.

And Bayern clearly was the 2nd best team in the CL last year, even in the tie with City Bayern actually would have won that tie by xGoals, just didnt take their chances. Premier League fans love to act like City steamrolled them, but objectively Bayern was the better team in 3 of the 4 halves.

"Second best team in the Champions League last season"

Jesus wept.

Inter had a higher xG in the final. Weirdly they didn't award them the trophy.
 
the feck you are on about

Pretty sure Bayern was a top 3 betting favorite every year in the last decade or so.

And Bayern clearly was the 2nd best team in the CL last year, even in the tie with City Bayern actually would have won that tie by xGoals, just didnt take their chances. Premier League fans love to act like City steamrolled them, but objectively Bayern was the better team in 3 of the 4 halves.
Did Bayern get an xChampionsLeague trophy for their valliant efforts?