Tell me then which player you think would walk into a bayern 11 from united. I can't see any in this united side. Gonna guess Rashford will get a "shout", but that's the english tax, meaning that brits overrate their own. This is btw my last response as I am limited to 5 posts a day until tomorrow. So will catch up with you then.
Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player
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Tell me then which player you think would walk into a bayern 11 from united. I can't see any in this united side. Gonna guess Rashford will get a "shout", but that's the english tax, meaning that brits overrate their own. This is btw my last response as I am limited to 5 posts a day until tomorrow. So will catch up with you then.
Kane won’t be joining Chelsea, he is a self proclaimed Spurs fan. The whole Poch/Kane love in really has no grounding, he also came out in support of Jose and Conte. If Kane wants to leave on a free it will be to United.
Rashford for Gnabry or Coman
Bruno for Muller
Casemiro for Gravenbirch
Shaw for Mazraoui
Martinez for De Ligt
Hi, I'm just gonna but in on this. I think overall your best eleven is better than ours. However, I do think that Martinez and Varane are better than your centre backs. Just my opinion of course. I believe Luke Shaw is better than Davies at this moment in time but definitely not long term. I also think Casemiro is arguably better than Goretzka too. Bruno/Muller is an interesting debate; probably supporters will back their own player here but there seems to be a lot of Bruno haters on this forum (bizzare if you ask me). You are also underrating Rashford with your English tax comments. Not sure which one of your wide attackers managed 30 goals in all competitions, mostly playing in an inferior league. That would only be 5 or 6/11 though and some of them arguable. Your squad/bench options are far superior so you guys are definitely ahead of us.
There are a lot of players that are fairly "equal" between Bayern and United. But I'm very surprised that you said you wouldn't swap Upamecano (who is a walking catastrophe) and De Ligt for Martinez and Varane. Very few general football fans would share that view. Rashford is clearly better than any Bayern wide forward/CF and Casemiro is literally a contender for greatest DM of all time - not including him must be trolling.
Picking a combined 11 would be pointless because Kimmich is obviously the best RB between the two teams so in theory he could go there but we all know that he would refuse to play there.
The outfield (not including keepers cos we don't have one!) United players that would "walk" into the Bayern side: Martinez, Varane, Casemiro, Rashford
The outfield Bayern players who would "walk" into the United side: Kimmich, Musiala, Pavard (who you are trying to sell)
Then there are fine players that I couldn't choose between (such as Shaw v Davies) or players that would get in depending on formation: Goretzka, Muller, Bruno or fitness: Martial, Coman.
Both teams have good defences, decent midfields, and poor forwards so it isn't easy to combine them. And both teams would drastically improve with the addition of Kane.
If Onana comes, I'd have him over a 37 year old, coming back from a leg break, Neuer. Similarly for the CBs, would prefer both United CBs to Bayerns. At LB you can argue Shaw and Davies, who was in and out of the team last season, are similar. At RB Bayern has a clear edge.
Midfield it's close, Kimmich and Casemiro are top players in their position, then you have a mix of Musiala, Goretzka, Muller competing for the last two positions against Mount, Bruno. Mount v Goretzka is close and I'd take Goretzka but Bruno v Musiala/Muller is a no brainer in terms of who is better right now. Musiala is incredibly talented and Muller is an all time great, but Bruno is better than them.
At the wing position Bayern definitely have much better depth with Gnabry, Sane, Mane, Coman but I would say Rashford is better than all of them, though after Rashford United don't have better players.
Striker, if it's between Woug and EMCM, I'd take Eric Maxim
Overall, like I said it's pretty close on a starting XI basis.
True, that's a rewriting of history to say he turned us into title contenders, but you can't ignore that he really took us up to another level whereby we walked to the title.
Zero chance if he is any kind of feelings for spurs. He might not mind leaving to Bayern, psg or united, but to go to a hated London rival? No chance
Rashford is a possible... But he's had 1 good season ok his career.
The rest are a bit laughable. Quoting utds starters against Bayern's bench.
Musiala is better than Bruno
Kimmich is better than casimeiro
Davies is better than Shaw
And I hope you are joking with the Martinez and de ligt one?....
Our defenders are better than ours, even though I agree with the rest of what you said.
you are out of your mind, seeing your team dominate the bundesliga has made you overvalue your team.
Our cb pairing massively beats the two you have
Fernandez in place of muller, whilst muller might be an all time legend, that isn’t muller rn
Rashford is better than any winger you have. He is playing in the toughest league in the world and was deadly. The bundesliga massively favours forwards due to how teams setup.
Casemiro and Kimmich are close, and I can see why you might take Kimmich, but Casemiro is a better player.
Who cares, i wouldn't take anyone from Bayern in ManUtd 11 except Kimmich.
All these combined 11s are nonsense and if any of the good players from either team are signed, fans will change their opinion and do a 180 degree change.
Sancho also has much better Bundesliga stats than any of Bayern’s wingers, so would probably start RW if he was there.
Kimmich is the only player in Bayern’s team who definitely starts for United I would say, assuming we sort out our GK and CF problems this summer.
Could we leave the United vs Bayern sausage fight out of this thread please?
Don't worry you will get Kane so can have all the bragging rights over us then
Yeah, always brings out the wurst in everyone
Even if he has no intention of doing so, the mere threat of joining them next summer could help force the move to Bayern this summer.
Yeah could easily see him joining Bayern,he might want to win things this season rather than wait another year which is understandable
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Varane, Casemiro and Rashford would all start for Bayern. Bruno too considering that Muller has not been great recently and is 33. Shaw with Davies could go either way.
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He'd be daft to force the move to Bayern this summer when he can have his pick of clubs next summer. If United, Bayern and Madrid are all in for him next summer, he can choose the best sporting project and secure himself a better financial package too if there's no transfer fee involved.
Very true, but he's never been the brightest guy, has he. I reckon he's just as likely to sign a new contract.
Kane would score like 40 goals a season with this Bayern's side in Bundesliga.
I reckon he'll score 23-25 league goals for Spurs this season, go to Bayern on a free next summer and then come back to the Premier League a few years later (possibly as another one of our aging striker purchases) hoping to get the remaining 15-ish goals to beat Shearer.
If he stays at Spurs he'll most likely go to an English club after. He only wants Bayern now so he doesn't have to waste another year at Spurs.
There'll be loads of clubs in for him next summer if he runs out his contract, potentially offering better deals than Utd.
Utd's best and perhaps only chance of signing him will I think be swooping this summer after Bayern have perhaps managed to agree a fee with Spurs; though with it then requiring Kane to turn around and tell Spurs that he actually doesn't want to leave the PL after all.
Utd's best and perhaps only chance of signing him will I think be swooping this summer after Bayern have perhaps managed to agree a fee with Spurs; though with it then requiring Kane to turn around and tell Spurs that he actually doesn't want to leave the PL after all.
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He'll want a couple of freebie league titles so his career isn't completely potless. He's not going to City and nowhere else in the league is a guarantee of anything.
If he joins another team he'll still have a chance of silverware. City aren't guaranteed to win every title for the next 6 years. Moreover, he'll get his record and probably a few domestic cups.
Or he goes to Bayern and guarantees himself as many Bundesliga titles as his contract has him tied down for and guaranteed Champions League football. Then he comes back to England at 34-35 needing a couple of bang average seasons to beat Shearer.
Still one of the best clubs and third most probable to win cl. Guaranteed league success. So why he want to miss this opportunity.
100 percent think if he stays at Spurs this season he’ll join another English team next. It’s what he really wants.
I honestly don't get why Kane want the Bayern move.
If it's about glory:
Move to Bayern: He will certainly win some Bundesliga titles, but nobody really rate these as big "achievement", so unless he get at least a CL with him as main man (big IF) there is not many "glory" he can chase at Bayern.
Stay at Spur: He will certainly surpass Shearer to become EPL greatest goal scorer, an achievement that only he has, and people will still talk about that for long time (as like Shearer).
If it's about money then obviously he will earn much more staying and sign new contract or move away next season as a free.
Next season he can still join Bayern or a lot of other big clubs, while he already have the Shearer achievement.
But again, it's the guy who keep signing contract at Spurs and then want to leave, not one but few times...
And they cry about how Barca "openly and offensively flirting" with their player...
If it's about glory:
Move to Bayern: He will certainly win some Bundesliga titles, but nobody really rate these as big "achievement", so unless he get at least a CL with him as main man (big IF) there is not many "glory" he can chase at Bayern.
Stay at Spur: He will certainly surpass Shearer to become EPL greatest goal scorer, an achievement that only he has, and people will still talk about that for long time (as like Shearer).
If it's about money then obviously he will earn much more staying and sign new contract or move away next season as a free.
Next season he can still join Bayern or a lot of other big clubs, while he already have the Shearer achievement.
But again, it's the guy who keep signing contract at Spurs and then want to leave, not one but few times...
And they cry about how Barca "openly and offensively flirting" with their player...
Bayern regularly play this wayHe's 47 goals away from Shearer's record so he can't really join Bayern on a free next season if he wants that.
If he is actually willing to join Bayern this summer then it seems he doesn't care as much about that record as people believe.
Wow that's a dumb move by Hoeneß. Levy won't exactly make it any easier for them now.
Levy is a cnut but the way Bayern publicly go after players is disrespectful.
Bayern are a scummy club. No class.
Exactly. He has fecked Bayern over with that announcement. Levy is a bitter, petty man. I can see him outright refuse to sell Kane to them now, irrespective of how much they offer.