Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic

[Pogue Mahone]

Carrick is a better player than Huddlestone. But not as good as Scholes.

This could be the first sentence in a "Central Midfielders for Idiots" book, whaddayareckon?

 

[Sam]

An 'attempted assist' is not the same as 'passes that have created attacks'. You can play a long ball that Rooney barely reaches which will be called as an attempted assist.

It's changed, he now has 27 in the column 'Attacks Created'.

 

[Sultan]

1. Carrick
2. Depends on the game
3. No, but injuries played a big part. He was awesome during the first month and was great against arsenal and liverpool.

1: Elaborate

2: Which games, and why?

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Why would you think that would razz me?

Canadians don't have a footballing philosophy. Which is the culture I was referring to

we do in fact, it's called play it long, over the top...because we're shite.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

I actually don't know why I'm shocked.

I presume Bayern were playing ?

Yes they were. But that's not why I didn't watch United. I simply wasn't near a place with Indian cable TV. The only channel around that had it. I went to about 5 pubs looking for the game with no luck. So I was forced to choose between the London or Rome Derby. So I simple went home and followed the game on the radio, as I watched Bayern.

 

[lem8sh]

Decent enough performance. Not amazing. But good enough.

But somehow Anderson is the new messiah, after those two games and Hargreaves is the subject of 90 odd pages of vitriol. Go figure.

Hard to figure agreed but my problem was with dippersripper saying hargreaves was "awesome" against arsenal when he was anything but

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

He won't like your new tagline.

Why not? It's funny as feck

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

we do in fact, it's called play it long, over the top...because we're shite.

It happens.

 

[Sam]

Hard to figure agreed but my problem was with dippersripper saying hargreaves was "awesome" against arsenal when he was anything but

This was Hargreaves being 'Awesome' against Arsenal.

 

[Instant Karma]

Carrick is a better player than Huddlestone.

Clearly not as a playmaker 'this season'.

13 games started (7 assists + 3 goals) vs 23 games (1 assist + 1 goal) in a similar role. It is not even in the same ball park to compare.

 

[djemba's arse]

His record shows that he has been offensively far better than Carrick this season in a similar role. You can refuse to acknowledge facts, but they still stand.

If you only choose to view parts of his record, then yes. Funnily enough, his record also shows that our chances of winning a game drop dramatically if Hargreaves starts.

Edit: never mind our chances of actually playing well.

 

[Merman]

I actually don't know why I'm shocked.

Do you know that Scholes was shite last season and made the top3 of the player of the year awards only because he is ingurlish?

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

This was Hargreaves being 'Awesome' against Arsenal.

Oh yes. It was the midfielder's job to mark the central striker, says Sam 1#

 

[Merman]

1: Elaborate

2: Which games, and why?

1. Carrick and Scholes is still our best midfield in the league when both are fit.

2. Hargreaves or Fletcher will be more effective than Carrick against big teams. Ideally, I'd choose Carrick and Fletcher unless we are playing Kaka or Messi. Hargreaves had Kaka in his pocket last season. We will have a mental advantage over big european teams if we play Hargreaves as he is proved in Europe.

 

[Sam]

Clearly not as a playmaker 'this season'.

13 games started (7 assists + 3 goals) vs 23 games (1 assist + 1 goal) in a similar role. It is not even in the same ball park to compare.

Attacks created

Carrick - 27
Huddlestone - 19

Assists

Ronaldo - 2
Lennon - 2

 

[Sam]

Oh yes. It was the midfielder's job to mark the central striker, says Sam 1#

Well it's certainly not his job to let an unmarked striker just stole past him.

 

[robthered]

You are taking the piss out of what happened to the Jews. That's why you are classless enough to call people Hitler for supporting Hargreaves. You racist

Can you explain how those posts are "taking the piss out of the Jews"?

 

[lem8sh]

This was Hargreaves being 'Awesome' against Arsenal.

Don't worry I have always said it was hargreaves fault mainly for the goal

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Clearly not as a playmaker 'this season'.

13 games started (7 assists + 3 goals) vs 23 games (1 assist + 1 goal) in a similar role. It is not even in the same ball park to compare.

The defensive side of Carrick's game is streets ahead of Huddlestone, who just lumbers round the place, picking passes. His positional sense is awful and he's about as quick across the ground as a snail with spina bifida.

He has a sublime range of passing, to be fair and strikes the ball brilliantly. But he's nowhere near intelligent or mobile enough to play for Manchester United. I have no idea which statistic is needed to back this up so I'm gonna be old-fashioned and go with what I see with my eyes.

 

[2Bullish]

I would put good money on Carrick being involved in nearly everyone of our goals that we have scored while he's been on the pitch.

If you play a passing game then the same could be applied to every player on the pitch.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Well it's certainly not his job to let an unmarked striker just stole past him.

Rather, we know that in your book it is his fault Adebayor isn't being marked by Vidic , that is why Hargreaves ends up chasing after him, and its his fault Brown just stands there and lets Fabregas get to a loose ball, form Vandesar. While being only 2 yards away. All these things are his fault. That is why he is to blame for the goal. In your famous book.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Can you explain how those posts are "taking the piss out of the Jews"?

So you really do not see how equating something as trivial as support for Hargreaves to being Hitler is making light of what Hitler did and was to the Jews? Plus the World as a whole?

 

[Sam]

If you play a passing game then the same could be applied to every player on the pitch.

Attacks Created

Carrick - 27
Scholes - 24
Anderson - 18
Hargreaves - 6
Fletcher - 4

Carrick is clearly the best we have.

 

[robthered]

So you really do not see how equating something as trivial as support for Hargreaves to being Hitler is making light of what Hitler did and was to the Jews? Plus the World as a whole?

Read his posts again. I'm certain that he wasn't saying that you were Hitler. More that your position is increasingly untenable. Have you seen the film Downfall?

You made the link to the Jews and the Holocaust.

I could equally make some comment about your difficulty in this thread, much like that of Hitler's, is fighting a war on two fronts. But I won't because I wouldn't want to appear racist.

 

[Sam]

Rather, we know that in your book it is his fault Adebayor isn't being marked by Vidic and its his fault Brown just stands there and lets Fabregas get to a loose ball. Being only 2 yards away. All these things are his fault. That is why he is to blame for the goal. In your famous book.

You really are stupid.

I've said over and over and over again. Many players were to blame for that goal (yes that includes Vidic and Brown) and it also includes Owen 'fecking' Hargreaves.

But you've just conventionally ignored that I said that, because it suits your argument.

 

[Merman]

Pennant > Ronaldo
Kuyt > Rooney
Defoe > Tevez
.
.
.
Huddlestone > Carrick

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Attacks Created

Carrick - 27
Scholes - 24
Anderson - 18
Hargreaves - 6
Fletcher - 4

Carrick is clearly the best we have.

No. Scholes has 24 in only 16 games. Without top form. Its clear he is still the best creative midfielder we have.

 

[Sam]

You really are stupid.

I've said over and over and over again. Many players were to blame for that goal (yes that includes Vidic and Brown) and it also includes Owen 'fecking' Hargreaves.

But you've just conventionally ignored that I said that, because it suits your argument.

If proof is needed...

The Chief said, and I quote, 'Hargreavs stuck with Adebayor all the way. He nev let him go'. Well thats quite clearly a lie, and that is what I have proved with that post.

Yes, Hargreaves wasn't the only one to blame,

 

[robthered]

No. Scholes has 24 in only 16 games. Without top form. Its clear he is still the best creative midfielder we have.

I think most can agree on that one

 

[Sam]

No. Scholes has 24 in only 16 games. Without top form. Its clear he is still the best creative midfielder we have.

Yes Scholes is the best.

I should have phrased what I said better.

'This season, Carrick has been the best we've had.'

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

You really are stupid..

That's rich coming from the man who blamed Hargreaves for us conceding that goal.

In addition to the equaliser against Arsenal. A classic case of a pot calling a kettle black.

I've said over and over and over again. Many players were to blame for that goal (yes that includes Vidic and Brown) and it also includes Owen 'fecking' Hargreaves.

fecking Liar. You haven't. You've instead consistently maintained WesBrownIsAGod's view that Hargreaves was to blame for that goal,

Red Indian, Look at Adebayor running past him 20seconds in and costing us a goal.

He will just deny it, and say you've faked the video..

as amo in your argument that he is shit and was not good against Arsenal.

But you've just conventionally ignored that I said that, because it suits your argument.

I can't ignore what you never said. Jack ass

 

[Instant Karma]

Read his posts again. I'm certain that he wasn't saying that you were Hitler.

You are right but comparing someone with Hitler could be a sensitive thing if the person is 'maybe' Jewish. People have been banned for Maddie jokes, Heysel and Munich because its insensitive and crass.

Once again, a classless, crass remark will be allowed to stand because the mods think its humor as long as its against the chief.

 

[Sam]

That's rich coming from the man who blamed Hargreaves for us conceding that goal. Inadditon to the equaliser against Arsenal. A classic case of a pot calling a kettle black.

fecking Liar. You haven't. You've instead consistently maintained WesBrownIsAGod's view that Hargreaves was to blame for that goal, as amo in your argument that he is shit and was not good against Arsenal.


I can't ignore what you never said. Jack ass

Take a fecking look you twat!

The Chief said, and I quote, 'Hargreavs stuck with Adebayor all the way. He nev let him go'. Well thats quite clearly a lie, and that is what I have proved with that post.

Yes, Hargreaves wasn't the only one to blame,

 

[2Bullish]

Attacks Created

Carrick - 27
Scholes - 24
Anderson - 18
Hargreaves - 6
Fletcher - 4

Carrick is clearly the best we have.

What the hell has this got to do with anything Sam? Whats the point of comparing a defensive midfielder with an attacking midfielder. What is the point in stating that Carrick has been involved with nearly every goal when hes been on the pitch (which is bullshit BTW), what is the point of comparing apples and oranges?

This thread needs to be placed in a new section of the Cafe, instead of Classics we'll call it Spastics.

Note to self "Don't get involved with this Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime thread, its wrong and bad for my health"

 

[Sam]

What the hell has this got to do with anything Sam? Whats the point of comparing a defensive midfielder with an attacking midfielder. What is the point in stating that Carrick has been involved with nearly every goal when hes been on the pitch (which is bullshit BTW), what is the point of comparing apples and oranges?

This thread needs to be placed in a new section of the Cafe, instead of Classics we'll call it Spastics.

Note to self "Don't get involved with this Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime thread, its wrong and bad for my health"

Read he fecking thread.

IK involved Huddlestone or something along the lines of him being better than Carrick or something.

Oh feck it I can't even remember, just go and read the thread properly.

 

[Instant Karma]

IK involved Huddlestone or something along the lines of him being better than Carrick or something.

Better as a play maker this season than Carrick.

 

[Sam]

Better as a play maker this season than Carrick.

He hasn't been.

He may have played more final balls, but Carrick doesn't tend to be the final pass, he tends to be the first pass, he gets the moves going.

I agree he should score more goals though.

 

[2Bullish]

Read he fecking thread.

IK involved Huddlestone or something along the lines of him being better than Carrick or something.

Oh feck it I can't even remember, just go and read the thread properly.

Are you quite insane, you compared all of our players, not another teams, stating that all our goals are because of him, when he plays, then that he is clearly our best player in this department.

I don't need to read this demented thread to suss that out. Your becoming obsessive old chap.

 

[ralphie88]

Fool
Immature
Juvenile
Racist
Ignorant
Blind
Idiot
Buffoon
Mad
Stupid

Hmmmm there must be more...

Ooooh.... LIAR!

Knew I'd missed an obvious one.

 

[Sam]

Are you quite insane, you compared all of our players, not another teams, stating that all our goals are because of him, when he plays, then that he is clearly our best player in this department.

I don't need to read this demented thread to suss that out. Your becoming obsessive old chap.

I was simply putting into perspective how many attacks Carrick creates compared to the rest of our central midfielders.

And this season, he been the most important. Ok, Scholes had 3 months out, and would probably been top had he not, but Carrick also missed a big chuck of the season.

Basically, IK thinks Carrick is shit and Huddlestone is better, I simply showed that Carrick isn't shit, and how important he's been this season.

And I didn't say 'all our goals are because of him', I said I bet he was involved with most of the goals scored while he was on the pitch.