its amazing how this ONE post ended in 68 pages of drivel.
This thread needs pics. stat !!
edit: Make that 69 pages now
Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic
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its amazing how this ONE post ended in 68 pages of drivel.
This thread needs pics. stat !!
edit: Make that 69 pages now
great threat title
feck! It all makes sense now! The Chief's on some manic campaign to punish us all for '99
How can you support 2 teams? Thats fecked up right there as far as I'm concerned.
Hahaha
So, the Bayern fans would have been pleased with Hargreaves performance and proud of the team, even though they lost, right ?
And also, who changed the thread title ?!!!
Yes. Because Milan was clearly above in our league in class. Yet we successfully punched well above our weight before succumbing.
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Wow new title. This will turn to be a lot bigger than the Tevez thread.
Can never understand how people can support 2 big teams?
Bayern and United....why not throw Ajax, Madrid and Juventus in there that way you'd be guaranteed success every season?
Bayern and United....why not throw Ajax, Madrid and Juventus in there that way you'd be guaranteed success every season?
Miss Dangerous does it pretty well.
You got any evidence for this Plech? You can't post bollocks on an internet forum without backing it up. Those are the rules mate.
I think that one falls under the category of 'obvious joke'.
Pretty good too.Many foreign football fans also like to watch the English game and have a favourite team. We've obviously captured his heart - cue violins.
Let's see - someone posts shit - instead of insulting them I point out what they're doing using evidence - they either don't like it or can't understand it & keep rambling on contrary to the evidence - often getting abusive. I just keep posting arguments which have to almost state the same thing again because they keep making the same mistakes (unless I get really pissed off at a cowardly abuse of privilege). You find this boring - sorry.
Ok I understand most of what you're saying there - but this bit seems very weird. Why would Gattuso need to be further back 'due to' his fullbacks being further back (ie in more defensive positions) having 'not had the time to get forward?
I understand he needs to be further back to deal with us winning the ball in more advanced positions - but surely that need is increased when the fullbacks are not in defensive positions? It reads to me like you meant to say they haven't had time to get back but your typing brain-function went haywire - but maybe you really did mean what you wrote - if so please explain.
(I can think of one possible reason - but it's pointless to try and 2nd guess you I reckon.)
This is a football internet forum populated by a suprising large majority of people who know little or nothing about football. Most of what gets posted is opinion. Some people try to use 'evidence' of particular games or contrary decisions or 'authority' figures to back up their opinion. But in fact what they're doing is finding someone or something that agrees with them. And often in the case of particular games, the interpretation of the example is also a matter of opinion. Frankly, if you expect the standard of 'debate' to be up to your rigorous intellectual standards, you're always going to be disappointed. The thing I find weird is that your objection to posters being less than rigorous in the nature of their argument annoys you so much that even in an argument you have no strong personal position on, you choose to point out the flaws in a style of argument seemingly just for the hell of it. And when they call you a spastic (as they do on here) you continue to try to have an intellectual debate which no one else is really interested in. I think that's what bores the tits of everyone.Let's see - someone posts shit - instead of insulting them I point out what they're doing using evidence - they either don't like it or can't understand it & keep rambling on contrary to the evidence - often getting abusive. I just keep posting arguments which have to almost state the same thing again because they keep making the same mistakes (unless I get really pissed off at a cowardly abuse of privilege). You find this boring - sorry.
Hope this helps.
You're just jealous because we get paid a decent wage to work about 30 days a year doing a job we love, carry out research into areas that genuinely interest us, drink beer in meetings, and get more fresh student minge offered on a plate than our tongues know what to do with.
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Yes. Because Milan was clearly above in our league in class. Yet we successfully punched well above our weight before succumbing.
As the mods
So, rubberman. Do you and your alter-egos all support two teams, or do you support different teams?
feck me, I've heard it all now.
Actually I strongly believe people are unjustly negative about Hargreaves and his performances - that's one reason why I was reading this thread carefully.
I don't actually expect people to be massively rigorous but I do prefer it if they bother to give some kind of reasoning for their opinion.
I do also think it's dishonest when people deliberately misrepresent the opinions of someone else to advance their case - I consider that more an example of dishonesty than lack of 'rigour' tbh. That's the flaw on which I have concentrated here. When you're commenting on someone else's post the first 'evidence' involved should be what they actually wrote. (That's the 'evidence' to which I was referring earlier.)
Misrepresentation is rather cowardly because they are not facing up to the more difficult argument their opponent actually produced -when those misrepresentations continue they can completely obscure the actual points being made - the misrepresentations become the assumed fact. Lazily allowing this to occur for fear of being called a 'spastic' is not in my nature.
HARGO'S PLEA: "NOT IN MY NAME"
Owen Hargreaves has finally broken his silence and issued a plea for the interminable
Owen Hargreaves thread to end. Hargreaves, appalled at the way the eponymous
online bickerthon has spiraled out of control, gave an emotional press conference
at Old Trafford's Carrington training ground earlier today.
“Please make it stop now,” begged the German-haired enforcer, “Please. Stop the posts.”
Thread
The internet monstrosity, now sixty-five pages long and still growing at an alarming rate,
began when the Rubberman said something spastic - or possibly didn’t, no-one knows.
Since then, it has mushroomed into an entity of frightening size and scope, swamping
all other attempted discussion and causing electrical storms in Lesotho (at least, according
to notorious liar noodlehair).
Hargo: “It’s surfaced porpoise”.
Ointment factory
And now Hargreaves himself has been drawn into the row. Friends last night described the
bustling Canadian anchorman as “tired”, “concerned” and “fecking average”. Meanwhile,
Chelsea sharpshooter Frank Lampard has offered support to his fellow England midfielder,
saying “It’s a tough situation, definitely. Obviously you don’t want noodle telling all these
lies about you, definitely - especially when you’re already comfort-eating marine mammals
to a certain extent...” adding, “Su’agoaws.”
Brambles
But it’s not just the amazing/rubbish demi-Welsh water-carrier that’s feeling the pressure.
Serious questions are being asked of much-loved Caf personality The Rubberman -
questions like, “What?” and “Do you genuinely believe that?” Some have even suggested
that his entire life might be one enormous, elaborate internet hoax. However, last night
a close friend of the Chief's, who declined to be named, angrily denied the allegation,
commenting, “That’s a heinous lie, a blatant hypocrisy and a libelous infamy.”
He helpfully supplied dictionary definitions of these terms, before adding, “How dare you:
1) wave that self-evidently phallic, nay phallogocentric microphone in my visage?
2) Willfully, flagrantly and with callousness aforethought disagree with me on the internet?
3) Tell pseudologous falsehoods about chickens crossing roads when it is established fact
that chickens live in coops and do not traverse public thoroughfares. .” He then went
purple and threatened to call the police, before mercifully running away.
Owen Hargreaves
But evil bastard noodlehair responded fiercely to the aspersions of the Chief's mysterious ally:
"He's literally the biggest penis I've ever come across," said the mouse-attracting oddball, "And
given my love-life, that's up against some pretty stiff competition...literally".
Owen Hargreaves is twenty-seven, slightly pointless and cost seventeen million pounds.
Post of the month.
I don't know why I bother. No one is being cowardly. They may be being childish, that's par for the course. The standard of argument is generally
"Hargeaves is shit"
"No he isn't"
"Yes he is"
"No he isn't"
"Well he's certainly no Keane"
"I never said he was as good as Keane"
"Yes you fecking did"
"No I didn't"
"Twat!"
"Spastic!"
"feck off"
"feck you"
And then someone sane posts "Hargreaves eats porpoises" and all is once again well in the madhouse that is the Cafe.
And my point about arguments you don't really care about was about another thread.
And my point about continuing to try and have an intellectual argument with someone who's called you a spastic is that it's at best futile.
I'm going to give up now.
hmm we'll see if he was money well spent in the semi final against barcelona, i'll forget he's been just average for us this season,the main reason saf bought him was to quiten the kaka's,Messi's and ronaldinho's and not the nolan's and papa dioup's,that's where he'll earn his money,that was why he was bought and that where he should be judged.
Are FS and I about the only ones who don't have an unreasoning hatred of our Anglo-Germanian pal?
He does seem to have raped noodle's sister and given her the Bad AIDS or something.
He does seem to have raped noodle's sister and given her the Bad AIDS or something.
Except some people pretend they are actually conducting an argument rather than a slanging match - when doing that dishonestly they are simply being dishonest.
Tbh. exchanges like the ones you caricature are probably more boring to me that attempting argument is to you.
Nah - the chief, IK and Nucks are all 'true-believers'.
... and I think he raped Mozza rather than his sister.
Quite possible if someone was being a complete tosser - but I'm curious as to which one.
Christ almighty - is this EVER going to end ??
You're just jealous because we get paid a decent wage to work about 30 days a year doing a job we love, carry out research into areas that genuinely interest us, drink beer in meetings, and get more fresh student minge offered on a plate than our tongues know what to do with.
Nice one Ralphie! Just at the time I was getting bored of my PhD.
Must get it finished, must get it finished!
I will try to explain:
Below are the tactics Milan used against us:
Gattuso would win the ball just infront of our 18, by constantly pressuring Carrick and Fletcher or out right tackling them hard when they had it. Thus they were forced to pass the ball back to a defence bad with a ball at their feet or hurriedly try to find the mostly unmarked Scholes, through a forest of Milan players. Resulting in constant loss of possession. Furthermore when ever Gattuso, won the ball he would pass it back to Pirlo, Kaka or Seedorf or the advancing fullbacks and then return to his position just infront of our 18. With Kaka and Seedorf roaming just behind him or pushing to the flanks.
Meanwhile, the forest of players Carrick and Fletcher kept facing, had been created by Milan's fullbacks, who had come forward and lost the ball during an attack, never fully retreating into their own half, simply joining Gattuso, Ambrosini, and Seedorf in closing space down in our half, thus squeezing space pressurizing Fletcher and Carrick more. With these fullbacks closer to the center line, while Ambrosini and Seerdorf kept much closer to Gattuso. Making the space for our midfield to operate in very congested, yet allowing Pirlo acres of space just behind the center line to spray the ball around. To a totally free Kaka. Mean while Nesta and Maldini were also playing a high line...to further add to the midfield squeezing, making long breaks next to impossible.
The few times Carrick or Fletcher managed to slip the ball to Scholes, which our defenders could hardly do with any consistency, the fullbacks would retreat and man mark our flankers. With Ambrosini and Gatusso joining them, in double teaming efforts. As Rooney was also double teamed by Nesta and Maldini. This ensured Scholes even though left free hardly ever had a truly free man to pass the ball too. And when ever he found them, they were hopelessly double teamed and had to lose the ball meekly.
The key to the above tactics was Gattuso's ability to win the ball deep in our own half. Which none of our deep midfielders could stop. Due to being unable to math his physical game., Which was forcing us to retreat deeper into our own box. Almost on top of our keeper. While allowing Milan to occupy our half with numbers.
When Milan faced Arsenal, whenever Gattuso won the ball, Flamini won it back just as quickly from Pirlo, giving it to Fabregas, allowing his fullbacks and defence to push forward, as he offered support to Fabregras to either picked out a pass for a fast break or direct Arsenal's keeping of possession by passing it to him or the advancing defence. . . .
All this at the stage in Milan's tactics, when their fullbacks are trying to advance to join in attacks directed by Pirlo or Kaka, who by then have already lost the ball.. Leaving them far from the men the are supposed to be marking. This hence forced Gattuso and Ambrosini to drop deep in their half, in a bid to try and prevent Arsenal getting behind the fullbacks, or Hleb to exploit any openings. Meanwhile Arsenal's free wide men or Hleb in the hole simply held up the ball, received from Fabregas and waited for the calvary to arrive. Resulting in almost the whole Arsenal side being camped in the Milan half and Milan forced into a defensive position with Gattuso and Ambrosini behind Pirlo, covering the retreating fullbacks, while also trying to close down the now wide open Hleb, as the fullbacks retreated deep to prevent Nesta and Maldini being exposed by Adebayor's pace, while taking over covering Arsenal's wide men. This ensured men like Pirlo, Kaka and co
were back in their half, surrounded by Arsenal players, while also being fully exposed to Flamini's harrying and ball winning skills.
In this way, the role of a Hargreaves, played in Arena's case by Flamini, nullfied both the effect of Gattuso and the space and freedom Pirlo and his fellow attacking midfielders had to operate in. With their main tactic neutralised, and their team not full of many people with legs, Milan's final fate was no longer a question of if but when and by how much were they bound to lose. Especially since as seen in the past when they faced Liverpool, Ancelotti proved clueless and incapable of switching his tactics to counter an opponent, who had effectively got around his main gambit.
I hope this helps somewhat.
Thus states the chief
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