Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic

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This is the point Hargreaves realises that Adebayor is coming past him...

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This is when it is to late...

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But of course, 'Hargreavs stuck with Adebayor all the way. He nev let him go'...:lol::lol::lol:

Silly post once again.

The only player even trying to track their striker is Hargreaves.

Rio fecks about backs away to no mans land - neither closing down Adebeyor or tracking Fabregas making the run. He once again manages to find a spot in the box where he can do feck all but not be faulted though - brilliant positioning as always :rolleyes: He fails to hold the line as the other defenders and is the first to back off as always - Adebeyor and Fabregas would have been miles offside if he hadn't. Neither have incredible pace to burn either - no reason for Rio to be 10 yards behind the other defenders (1st pic above).

Brown runs all the way past Fabregas and stands 5 yards away.

Vidic sees Fabregas unmarked and jogs back.

Evra is caught out of position once again and nowhere in the box or near any Arsenal player

Hargreaves did enough to prevent Adebeyor from scoring. If any of our defenders did their jobs, Fabregas would have been marked and the ball cleared. He is in yards of space for ages with none of our defenders picking him up - school boyish defending from Rio and Brown.
 
Silly post once again.

The only player even trying to track their striker is Hargreaves.

Rio fecks about backs away to no mans land - neither closing down Adebeyor or tracking Fabregas making the run. He once again manages to find a spot in the box where he can do feck all but not be faulted though - brilliant positioning as always :rolleyes: He fails to hold the line as the other defenders and is the first to back off as always - Adebeyor and Fabregas would have been miles offside if he hadn't. Neither have incredible pace to burn either - no reason for Rio to be 5 yards behind the other defenders.

Brown runs all the way past Fabregas and stands 5 yards away.

Vidic sees Fabregas unmarked and jogs back.

Evra is caught out of position once again and nowhere in the box or near any Arsenal player

Hargreaves did enough to prevent Adebeyor from scoring. If any of our defenders did their jobs, Fabregas would have been marked and the ball cleared.

The Chief said, and I quote, 'Hargreavs stuck with Adebayor all the way. He nev let him go'. Well thats quite clearly a lie, and that is what I have proved with that post.

Yes, Hargreaves wasn't the only one to blame, but then again, I never said he was!! But he did play a big part, because, had he been more aware of what was around him and seen the run from Adebayor, he would have been able to track it, get goal side, and stop the cross before it reached the striker. Instead, he allowed Adebayor to get past him, before even realising that he was there!, and by then it was to late to catch up with him, get goal side and intercept the cross.

The evidence is right in front of your eyes, Hargreaves failed to spot and then track Adebayor's run.
 
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Carrick, in my opinion, operates best in the area in front of the back four. His positional sense is excellent and although his game lacks the blood and thunder approach of previous United midfielders (Keane and Robson) he does a good job protecting the backfour through his good reading of the game. Carrick brings game intelligence to the table - the problem is a lot of fans have the perception that unless you are running around like a headless chicken or spending half the game on your arse, committing to a tackle, then you are not a proper central midfield player. Carrick has no such need to do these things because his excellent positioning is a more than adequate method of playing the role..
That is why he was humilliated in Milan, Copenhagen and at Lille. Which is a fact which you call "nonsensical":rolleyes: You really are a moron.

We shouldn't be surprised that these posters produce such ignorant drivel, but hey, this is the Caf! Lets start with the Copenhagen defeat. Granted it was a very poor result but the apportion all of the blame on Carrick is idiocy in the extreme when he was flanked by 10 other players.
We were overan in center midfield that day. Center midfield doesn't have 10 other players. Just two. Carrick being a very poor sheild for our defence and anchor for our midfield that night. But don't let such fact get in the way of your bollocks

The Celtic game was always going to be a tricky one. Their crowd and players relish such Parkhead occasions and we are not the first giants that have fallen to defeat against them.
That is not an excuse. The freekick Vidic conceeded was because he was tracking a player Carrick should have been covering.

The Lille game shouldn't even be used a case-in-point because we won the game.
You really are too stupid for words. We were ran totally over ran by Lille. We defended desprately through out. Only Giggs' brilliance spared our blushes and got us the win. Yet you say "it doesn't count" But amongst those to blame Hargreaves for us lacking the ball during or our victory over Liverpool at Anfield? A match in which the opponents had all the ball, but didn't put us on the ropes like Lille did? feck off

Rio Ferdinand in all his finite wisdom recently said (and I paraphrase) that the level of performance is secondary to the result in European away games, and so to level abuse at Carrick for being under par against the French team last season is harsh considering United came away with the victory. Harsher still when we consider than none of the United players played particularly well that day. Further to this, the "Milan-myth" (as it will be from here-on-in known. Center mdfield ) is one of the most irritating arguments on this site.
If that's the case why the feck have you veen yapping on about Hagreave's performance against Lyon. A game he played well in, we paleyd well and din't deerve a draw. Unlike Carrick vs Lille. A game he was shit, a game we fluekd due to only Giggs brilliance? in amongst others? Care to explain?


"Milan-myth" (as it will be from here-on-in known. Center mdfield ) is one of the most irritating arguments on this site. There were so many other circumastances surrounding the game. Our team's general exhaustion at chasing a Treble vs Milanl's serene progress through their domestic season; resting players at will before big games. Our injuries galore which left us in a position of real weakness - especially defensively. Now I know excuses can only stretch so far, but to blame Carrick for the team's short fall in the Milan fixture is perverse.
More bollocks:wenger:. We beat Milan at OT, with these same injuries, plus a weaker defence. We met them at the San Siro, with an even stronger defence and lost. The big difference in both matches was Gattuso started & finished the second leg and we lost badly. Gattuso only played till just after half time at OT and we won. Through out the time he was on pitch Carrick in both legs was rank shit. Meaning obviously the battle was one and lost in midfield! Evidenced by the imapct of Gattuso's presence and Kaka's goals. Extenuating circumstances had nothing to do with Carrick being shit against Milan, a poor shield for our defence and a pathetic excuse for a ball winner against them. With a pathetic display of defensive skills. A player like Scholes was just as tried as he. Yet he shone in both legs. But don't let that get in the way of you talking shit and making up excuses in Carrick's favour

......... Carrick meanwhile, displays a dynamism and speed of play that makes United a much more fluid opposition...........
Against Porstmourth the pace of our game was so fecking slow even with Carrick and Scholes together. Even though they were creating a lot. Mainly due to Pompey being rank shit at the back that day. We were also slow at home to Reading, away to Birmingham, Bolton and Everton. All due to Carrick's languid pace of play. Our strikers suffered as a result of this in all thsoe games. You are a poor liar

I think I'll end my rant on a more elaborate point so you guys can have a think about this one (Chief and Karma - don't strain any brain cells). With Carrick in the United midfield alongside Scholes last season, United swept aside the competition and won the title after a long (relatively) drought. It is my opinion that United were so good and so dominant in the vast number of games because the quality of the central midfield duo was such that we did not have to worry about defensive midfield players. Put another way, we knew that we would enjoy that vast chunk of possession in a game and thus why bother employing an anchor when the opponents will be penned back by the quality of our central pairing anyway. It seems to me that you only ever have to concertedly defend in a game when you go with the mindset to defend. Or put another way, you are effectively inviting pressure onto yourselves and there is a simple way to alliviate this pressure - ditch the archetypal, talentless anchoring player, bought in for an extortionate fee from the Bundesliga (not mentioning any names like).
That's your opinion. Fair enough. My opinion is it's utter bollocks.

Who was it that said, "attack is the best form of defence?" Bloody clever bloke.
Yep. That's what the Brazilians thought after 1970. It didn't though, win them another world cup again until they revised their ways in 1994.
 
Just watch, Hargreaves clearly doesn't keep track with Adebayor. He should be goal side, which he isn't, had he been, he would have won the ball first. Also, watch how Hargreaves doesn't realise Adebayor is there, until he is past him.

Watch that properly again. Hargeaves goes with Adebayor and there is no serious danger. Van Der sar, stupidly panicks and comes out for no real reason, colliding with Hagreaves who is now level with Adebayor, spilling the ball to Sagana, who cuts it back to Fabregas. Wes, just watches as Fabregas goes for the ball and does nothing to stop him scoring
 
Silly post once again.

The only player even trying to track their striker is Hargreaves.

Rio fecks about backs away to no mans land - neither closing down Adebeyor or tracking Fabregas making the run. He once again manages to find a spot in the box where he can do feck all but not be faulted though - brilliant positioning as always :rolleyes: He fails to hold the line as the other defenders and is the first to back off as always - Adebeyor and Fabregas would have been miles offside if he hadn't. Neither have incredible pace to burn either - no reason for Rio to be 10 yards behind the other defenders (1st pic above).

Brown runs all the way past Fabregas and stands 5 yards away.

Vidic sees Fabregas unmarked and jogs back.

Evra is caught out of position once again and nowhere in the box or near any Arsenal player

Hargreaves did enough to prevent Adebeyor from scoring. If any of our defenders did their jobs, Fabregas would have been marked and the ball cleared. He is in yards of space for ages with none of our defenders picking him up - school boyish defending from Rio and Brown.
Hargreaves obviously did not track Abedayor well there. He just seemed to jog in behind him otherwise he would intercepted that cross easily.
 
Watch that properly again. Hargeaves goes with Adebayor and there is no serious danger. Van Der sar, stupidly panicks and comes out for no real reason, colliding with Hagreaves who is now level with Adebayor, spilling the ball to Sagana, who cuts it back to Fabregas. Wes, just watches as Fabregas goes for the ball and does nothing to stop him scoring
Just read, and deal with this.
Hargreaves obviously did not track Abedayor well there. He just seemed to jog in behind him otherwise he would intercepted that cross easily.
 
Watch that properly again. Hargeaves goes with Adebayor and there is no serious danger. Van Der sar, stupidly panicks and comes out for no real reason, colliding with Hagreaves who is now level with Adebayor, spilling the ball to Sagana, who cuts it back to Fabregas. Wes, just watches as Fabregas goes for the ball and does nothing to stop him scoring

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Hargreaves doesn't even realise that Adebayor is there until he has got past him, he then attempts to catch up, but it is to late. He doesn't 'go' with Adebayor, he simply follows in an attempt to catch him up. But of course, it is to late by then, had he not been ball watching in the first place, he would have realised Adebayor was behind him, and tracked the run, but he didn't, and we conceded the equaliser.

Just look, he is nowhere near him!

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And you say 'there is no serious danger', well I would say a player unmarked, some 8 yards out, with a ball being crossed into him constitutes as 'danger'!
 
I'd imagine he is frantically searching the web, trying to find out what trophies and accolades Hargreaves won from the ages 5-15, to then then compare that to the the ones which Carrick won in the same time period.
You certainly wish I could stoop to your level. That's for sure.

Because we all know, it doesn't matter what technical ability or skill you have, it's what trophies you've won in the past that really count towards making one player better then another.
You certainly wish I could stoop to your level. What matters the most above all in a players career is what he has done at the highest level. Consistently. Through out their careers. Hargreaves wins Carrick on that count hands down. But the likes of you can never accept this simple truth.
 
The Chief said, and I quote, 'Hargreavs stuck with Adebayor all the way. He nev let him go'. Well thats quite clearly a lie, and that is what I have proved with that post.

Yes, Hargreaves wasn't the only one to blame, but then again, I never said he was!! But he did play a big part, because, had he been more aware of what was around him and seen the run from Adebayor, he would have been able to track it, get goal side, and stop the cross before it reached the striker. Instead, he allowed Adebayor to get past him, before even realising that he was there!, and by then it was to late to catch up with him, get goal side and intercept the cross.

The evidence is right in front of your eyes, Hargreaves failed to spot and then track Adebayor's run.

You are fecking stupid if you think Adebeyor made the run into the box to cross. Hargreaves and VDS did enough to prevent a strike on goal. If Giggs had been tracking back, then Evra wouldnt have been caught 2 on 1, Vidic neednt have gone forward to help out. You can blame any event prior to the goal - Giggs/Evra/Vida/Hargreaves but the shite defending was from Rio and Brown.

If you know anything about football you'll understand that its not possible to prevent every cross. Its ridiculous to allow the opposition midfielder yards of space in our penalty box for several minutes.

Why the feck is Rio 10 yards behind every defender and playing Fabregas and Adebeyor onside? Piss poor defending once again. Brilliant in positioning :lol:. More like away overrated.

Hargreaves slows down exactly at our defensive line assuming that a well drilled defence would hold the line.
 
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It really is like arguing with a brick wall.
 
hmm. Staying goalside of your man doesn't make any difference, it seems.

Makes you wonder if any of these cnuts have ever actually played football.
 
You certainly wish I could stoop to your level. That's for sure.

You certainly wish I could stoop to your level. What matters the most above all in a players career is what he has done at the highest level. Consistently. Through out their careers. Hargreaves wins Carrick on that count hands down. But the likes of you can never accept this simple truth.

Yep, my level of of presenting the cold facts, with fecking pictures and all, rather then your, lying through the teeth and making stuff up that suits your argument.

Yes, Hargreaves may have more trophies then Carrick, but David May has more trophies then Rio, does that then make him a better defender in your book ?
 
You are fecking stupid if you think Adebeyor made the run into the box to cross. Hargreaves and VDS did enough to prevent a strike on goal. If Giggs had been tracking back, then Evra wouldnt have been caught 2 on 1, Vidic neednt have gone forward to help out. You can blame any event prior to the goal - Giggs/Evra/Vida/Hargreaves but the shite defending was from Rio and Brown.

If you know anything about football you'll understand that its not possible to prevent every cross. Its ridiculous to allow the opposition midfielder yards of space in our penalty box for several minutes.

Why the feck is Rio 10 yards behind every defender and playing Fabregas and Adebeyor onside? Piss poor defending once again. Brilliant in positioning :lol:
Hargreaves slows down exactly at our defensive line assuming that a well drilled defence would hold the line.

Again, your just ignoring the fact that I haven't said it was only Hargreaves fault, there were other players that played a part, along with Hargreaves!!!

Can you not get that through your thick skull?!?!?

You are fecking stupid if you think Adebeyor made the run into the box to cross.

:lol::lol::lol:

I never said that either, but hey-ho, please continue to make things up...
 
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Hargreaves doesn't even realise that Adebayor is there until he has got past him, he then attempts to catch up, but it is to late. He doesn't 'go' with Adebayor, he follows Adebayor in an attempt to catch up with him.

Just look, he is nowhere near him!

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Very clever.:rolleyes: Why don't you do that with the part of the video where Van der sar collides with Hargreavs. Then lets see if Hargreaves is no way near Adebayor then. It clearly shows Hargreaves doesn't just attempt to catch him. He ACTUALLY catches him! But Vandesar stupidly collides with Hargreaves and spills the ball to Sagna

And you say 'there is no serious danger', well I would say a player unmarked, some 8 yards out, with a ball being crossed into him constitutes as 'danger'!
You really are too unserious. :wenger:

As I said, Hargreaves doesn't just attempt to catch him. He ACTUALLY catches him!, Van der sar meanwhile comes out and collides with Hargreaves, who is already level with Adebayor, by that time, as a result spilling the ball to Sagna. Who cuts it back to an unmarked Fabregas, who Brown is just watching instead of marking. Two costly mistakes by our keeper and Brown that could have prevented that directly cost us the goal. Why is this so hard for your eyes to register this?
 
Again, your just ignoring the fact that I haven't said it was only Hargreaves fault, there were other players that played a part, along with Hargreaves!!!

Hargreaves has mostly played under a well drilled defensively solid team.
Hargreaves is watching the play develop on his right, assumes that professional defenders at a top club would be holding a defensive line and each not be at a different area of the pitch. He slows down exactly alongside Vidic/Evra and our defensive line like every decent midfielder would do, so that he doesnt play Adebeyor onside by tracking him. Little does he know that Rio's shite defending and poor positioning is already playing Adebeyor onside.
 
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Hargreaves eventually catches him, because Adebayor slows down, to stay onside and then goes to control the ball, which gives Hargreaves the time needed to catch up.

But then again, had Hargreaves being doing his job properly in the first place, he wouldn't have had to catch Adebayor as he would have been with him and between the crosser and Adebayor, and been able to clear it before it got through to Adebayor! But as we all know, he doesn't read the game properly, and spends half his time trying to atone for the fact that he is always a yard or two behind what's happening in the the game.
 
The Chief said, and I quote, 'Hargreavs stuck with Adebayor all the way. He nev let him go'. Well thats quite clearly a lie, and that is what I have proved with that post..
It's not a lie. Watch the replay properly. He sees Adebayor, spots the danger, that Adebayor is escaping, chases after him, actually catching him. That is not letting some one go. In any shape or form. Letting some one go is what Brown did with Fabregas. He just stood and watched as Fabregas got to the ball and then scored.

Yes, Hargreaves wasn't the only one to blame, but then again, I never said he was!! .
Yet you are supporting a poster who claims he was.

But he did play a big part, because, had he been more aware of what was around him and seen the run from Adebayor, he would have been able to track it, get goal side, and stop the cross before it reached the striker. Instead, he allowed Adebayor to get past him, before even realising that he was there!, and by then it was to late to catch up with him, get goal side and intercept the cross.
That's bollocks. Adebayor never got goal side of Hargreaves. Had Van de Sar not collded with Hargreves, Hargreaves was clearing the ball out for a corner. Adebayor would never have smelt the cross. It's only Van dar sar and most importantly Brown's error that causes the goal. Nothing else

The evidence is right in front of your eyes, Hargreaves failed to spot and then track Adebayor's run.
The evidence is infront of your eyes. That say otherwise You and others consistently choose to ignore it.
 
But then again, had Hargreaves being doing his job properly in the first place, he wouldn't have had to catch Adebayor as he would have been with him

What a feckwit...

If Rio had been holding a proper defensive line like any professional defender at the highest level would, Hargreaves tracking Adebeyor and not slowing down would have played him onside.
 
It's not a lie. Watch the replay properly. He sees Adebayor, spots the danger, that Adebayor is escaping, chases after him, actually catching him. That is not letting some one go. In any shape or form. Letting some one go is what Brown did with Fabregas. He just stood and watched as Fabregas got to the ball and then scored.

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Adebayor drifts in behind him, runs past, and sudden;t Hargreaves is having to chase him, had be been aware of what was around him, he would have know Adebayor was behind him, and stayed with him, instead he was, a yard behind the game, like always!

Yet you are supporting a poster who claims he was.

Well that's his opinion not mine.

IMO, there were a few to blame for that goal, one of whom was Owen Hargreaves

That's bollocks. Adebayor never got goal side of Hargreaves. Had Van de Sar not collded with Hargreves, Hargreaves was clearing the ball out for a corner. Adebayor would never have smelt the cross. It's only Van dar sar and most importantly Brown's error that causes the goal. Nothing else

Hargreaves never got goal side of Adebayor. He was behind, trying to catch up with him. He should have been between the crosser and Adebayor, so he could intercep, but he wasn't!

The evidence is infront of your eyes. That say otherwise You and others consistently choose to ignore it.

You really are pathetic when it comes to Hargreaves.
 
Believe what you want. I frankly don't have time to keep going around in circles with fellows like you. Carrick was our playmaker against Newcastle. While Fletcher kept hunting down, the ball and closing down space. Like a DM and ball winner does. Joining the attack when we didn't have the ball, as Carrick spread it around. That is all




Is that a promise .......... thank god for that!!
 
What a feckwit...

If Rio had been holding a proper defensive line like any professional defender at the highest level would, Hargreaves tracking Adebeyor and not slowing down would have played him onside.

Again, you keep bringing in other players, but I'm not arguing that they were at fault to.

But the fact is, Hargreaves failed to track Adebayor as he didn't realise he was there until he had gone past him, and was always having to catch up.

But that's Hargreaves for you, rather then reading the play and getting into position, he instead only reacts to what's just happened, instantly putting him on the back foot.
 
But the fact is, Hargreaves failed to track Adebayor as he didn't realise he was there until he had gone past him, and was always having to catch up.

Hargreaves slows down to a stop exactly as he nears Vidic and Evra. Do you even understand why that is ? He doesnt want to track Adebeyor beyond our defensive line and play him onside. Any defensive midfielder would have done the same. No one keeps running with a forward beyond the defensive line all the way to goal, thereby playing him onside. This isn't a local kickabout in the playground.

FFS...defensive line and catching players offside seems far too sophisticated for most of you on here.
 
:rolleyes: He touched it more than thrice. Besides, Our subs won us that game. Rooney's role was obviously more prominent. Sicne, he scored one and set up one. But to deny the impact of our subs is foolhardy. When our game clearly imporved when both came on pitch. Carrick for example was nothing creatively until Hargreaves stepped on pitch alongside him. Even though he was playing well as our anchor man



can we quote you on that :D
 
Yep, my level of of presenting the cold facts, with fecking pictures and all, rather then your, lying through the teeth and making stuff up that suits your argument. ?
Rather you are the liar. You coveninenlty chose that picture simple becasue it suited you argument. Which is based on a pure lies. Be a fecking man and post the picture in which Van der sar collides with Hargreaves. And show the whole world how in that instant, Adebayor is goal side of Hagreaves, as you claim. Instead of acting like a petty teenager

Yes, Hargreaves may have more trophies then Carrick, but David May has more trophies then Rio, does that then make him a better defender in your book ?
What did David May really do in all those trophy wins? Name any games and periods in which he was crucial? What global of Euroepan reputation did he posses? When was Unitd ever indebted to him for succeeding in a competition? When you do that you can use your fecking David May argument to stick up for Carrick. Rio in comparsion to him did wonders for Leeds. Even bigger for United. That is why fecking may can't compare, despite his more trophies. Your Carrick meanwhile did feck all for Spurs and West Ham and even got to play at championship level, while Hargreves was actually making a name for himself in Europe and being one of Bayern's key players. Plsu getting picked for England. But don't let that fact get in the way of your comparing Hagreaves achievements at Bayern to fecking David May's at OT . You cretin
 
Hargreaves slows down to a stop exactly as he nears Vidic and Evra. Do you even understand why that is ? He doesnt want to track Adebeyor beyond our defensive line and play him onside. Any defensive midfielder would have done the same. No one keeps running with a forward beyond the defensive line all the way to goal. This isn't a local kickabout in the playground.

FFS...defensive line and catching players offside seems far too sophisticated for most of you on here.

Watch it again.

Hargreaves runs flat out to catch up with Adebayor, The only time he slows down is when he sticks out an arm in an attempt to haul Adebayor back, once he has failed with that, he continues in his pursuit of the striker.
 
What a feckwit...

If Rio had been holding a proper defensive line like any professional defender at the highest level would, Hargreaves tracking Adebeyor and not slowing down would have played him onside.



Goalkeeper out of the goal Rio drops back to defend the line as he will have been taught to do ....... have you ever played the game?
stupid question you cannot have ever played the game.
 
That is why he was humilliated in Milan, Copenhagen and at Lille. Which is a fact which you call "nonsensical":rolleyes: You really are a moron.

I, along with the vast majority of United fans, must have missed this humiliation that you talk about.

We were overan in center midfield that day. Center midfield doesn't have 10 other players. Just two. Carrick being a very poor sheild for our defence and anchor for our midfield that night. But don't let such fact get in the way of your bollocks

We were never overran in midfield against Copenhagen. We had most of the play and were toothless up front. We monopolised the play against Celtic and were punished for not creating much. That and Saha squandering two guilt edged chances.

That is not an excuse. The freekick Vidic conceeded was because he was tracking a player Carrick should have been covering.

Yes. Failing to track a player. Sam has just shown that Hargreaves is capable of a balls up in this department as well.


You really are too stupid for words. We were ran totally over ran by Lille. We defended desprately through out. Only Giggs' brilliance spared our blushes and got us the win. Yet you say "it doesn't count" But amongst those to blame Hargreaves for us lacking the ball during or our victory over Liverpool at Anfield? A match in which the opponents had all the ball, but didn't put us on the ropes like Lille did? feck off

Overran? Bollocks. I remember the game and it was dire, but quite even.

If that's the case why the feck have you veen yapping on about Hagreave's performance against Lyon. A game he played well in, we paleyd well and din't deerve a draw. Unlike Carrick vs Lille. A game he was shit, a game we fluekd due to only Giggs brilliance? in amongst others? Care to explain?

He was okay, nothing special. That's all I said. We paid £18 million for an "okay, nothing special" player. And don't say that price shouldn't be bought into it. For that, we could have bought a tasty striker in.


More bollocks:wenger:. We beat Milan at OT, with these same injuries, plus a weaker defence. We met them at the San Siro, with an even stronger defence and lost. The big difference in both matches was Gattuso started & finished the second leg and we lost badly. Gattuso only played till just after half time at OT and we won. Through out the time he was on pitch Carrick in both legs was rank shit. Meaning obviously the battle was one and lost in midfield! Evidenced by the imapct of Gattuso's presence and Kaka's goals. Extenuating circumstances had nothing to do with Carrick being shit against Milan, a poor shield for our defence and a pathetic excuse for a ball winner against them. With a pathetic display of defensive skills. A player like Scholes was just as tried as he. Yet he shone in both legs. But don't let that get in the way of you talking shit and making up excuses in Carrick's favour

Or how about the fact that even up against it we can beat anyone at OT but the San Siro is a different proposition. How about the fact that Rio and Vidic were no fully match fit? How about the fact we had just played an absorbing match against Everton a few days earlier?

Against Porstmourth the pace of our game was so fecking slow even with Carrick and Scholes together. Even though they were creating a lot. Mainly due to Pompey being rank shit at the back that day. We were also slow at home to Reading, away to Birmingham, Bolton and Everton. All due to Carrick's languid pace of play. Our strikers suffered as a result of this in all thsoe games. You are a poor liar

Absurd. All of those are games where the opposition packs the midfield out and are very competitive. Those are exceptions, not rules.

That's your opinion. Fair enough. My opinion is it's utter bollocks.

Yep. That's what the Brazilians thought after 1970. It didn't though, win them another world cup again until they revised their ways in 1994.

I'm knee deep in your shite. The pro-Carrick camp wins the argument.

Oh, and just for good measure.:wenger::wenger::rolleyes:

I would appreciate it if you would refrain from the "feck off" comments to me. You do not add anything to the debate...









....fecking wanker.
 
I'm knee deep in your shite. The pro-Carrick camp wins the argument.

Oh, and just for good measure.:wenger::wenger::rolleyes:

I would appreciate it if you would refrain from the "feck off" comments to me. You do not add anything to the debate...









....fecking wanker.



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Can someone close this thread. It's a bit of an eyesore. An excuse to laugh at one another. I keep maintaining both sides have valid arguments. Whilst Carrick is the better central midfielder at the moment and should be in the starting line up things can easily change.
 
I'm knee deep in your shite. The pro-Carrick camp wins the argument.

Oh, and just for good measure.:wenger::wenger::rolleyes:

I would appreciate it if you would refrain from the "feck off" comments to me. You do not add anything to the debate...









....fecking wanker.

You forgot the customary :lol:
 
Rather you are the liar. You coveninenlty chose that picture simple becasue it suited you argument. Which is based on a pure lies. Be a fecking man and post the picture in which Van der sar collides with Hargreaves. And show the whole world how in that instant, Adebayor is goal side of Hagreaves, as you claim. Instead of acting like a petty teenager

Yep, I somehow managed to change the picture, just so it suits my argument. Hargreaves is actually next to Adebayor, but I mystically made it look like he wasn't, and actually far behind him, trying to catch up. :rolleyes:

Anyway here is your picture....

As you can see, Hargreaves is still behind Adebayor, not in between him and the crosser, like he should be.

hargreaves5.jpg


VDS shouldn't have come out, but if he hadn't, Adebayor would still have controlled the ball, and then.....well who knows, he could have hit it into the top corner, he may have skied it into row Z, that's just something that we'll never know...
 
Can someone close this thread. It's a bit of an eyesore. An excuse to laugh at one another. I keep maintaining both sides have valid arguments. Whilst Carrick is the better central midfielder at the moment and should be in the starting line up things can easily change.


Why should the thread be closed? Just don't open it yourself, surely?
 
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