Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic

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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
:lol:Zidane won the UEFA cup at Bordeux. Literally carrying them with Duggary's help to the trophy. whiel helping them do well in the league and earning a move to thee club of the time, Juventus! What did Carrick win at West Ham? What trophy or heights did he take or help lead them to? Eh? Even while at Spurs?
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You keep bringing up the same things again and again. Carrick has only really improved his game in the last 2 years. And right now he is better than Hargreaves. Don't know much about Hargreaves before, because I don't pay much attention to mickey mouse leagues.

Hargreaves played for Bayern Munich, the biggest team in Germany. It's like saying Neil Lennon is better than Steven Gerrard because he won titles with Celtic.

I'm not saying we should sell him or anything and willing to give him time. All I'm saying is Carrick is better which seems to annoy you a lot.
 
RedPhil1957 said:
Supporting Hargreaves is one thing trying to rubbish carrick is plain stupid.
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No one is bashing Carrick. They're simply stating truth about him. He is good but not as good as most on here believe. It just hurts a lot of folks on here, because it doesn't coincide with their warped view of a "flawless" Carrick.

RedPhil1957 said:
he has been consistantly good for us.
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That's a poor lie! Carrick was utter gash earlier on this season. That is why Anderson and Hargreaves were often starting ahead of him. Even when Hargreaves was just fresh from injury. At one time O'shea was preffered as a sub instead of him. He ended last year still poor, as compared to what he is now.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
It just hurts a lot of folks on here, because it doesn't coincide with their warped view of a "flawless" Carrick.
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There's only one poster on this thread who is hurt and upset by criticism of his favourite player.

You can tell who s/he is because s/he is the one writing huge posts at high speed and abusing anyone who dares to criticise the player in question.

Most other posters have been pretty reasonable putting their views forward.
 
Psmith said:
You keep bringing up the same things again and again. Carrick has only really improved his game in the last 2 years. And right now he is better than Hargreaves. Don't know much about Hargreaves before, because I don't pay much attention to mickey mouse leagues.

Hargreaves played for Bayern Munich, the biggest team in Germany. It's like saying Neil Lennon is better than Steven Gerrard because he won titles with Celtic.

I'm not saying we should sell him or anything and willing to give him time. All I'm saying is Carrick is better which seems to annoy you a lot.
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During the Premiership era that United dominated, Bayern have won 8 titles in their league. Dortmund have won 3 and 3 others have won once. Almost similar to the Premiership. Bayern have won 1 CL, so have United. 2 German sides have won the UEFA cup while only 1 English side has. The German national side with most players from that league have been far superior to the English national team. How does it make their league inferior ? Even if it's not on par, you are a fecking moron if you think the German league is the similar to the Scottish league.
 
ralphie88 said:
There's only one poster on this thread who is hurt and upset by criticism of his favourite player. .
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That is why who ever talks about Carrick's flaws is abused he?:lol:

ralphie88 said:
You can tell who s/he is because s/he is the one writing huge posts at high speed and abusing anyone who dares to criticise the player in question.
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:wenger: Those who are hurt are constantly talking down one player to elevate another and abusing folks who challenge their basis for this foolishness. A thing that is a hallmark of all Hargreaves bashers.

ralphie88 said:
Most other posters have been pretty reasonable putting their views forward.
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And you think that is you and your cronies:lol:
 
Instant Karma said:
During the Premiership era that United dominated, Bayern have won 8 titles in their league. Dortmund have won 3 and 3 others have won once. Almost similar to the Premiership. Bayern have won 1 CL, so have United. 2 German sides have won the UEFA cup while only 1 English side has. The German national side with most players from that league have been far superior to the English national team. How does it make their league inferior ? Even if it's not on par, you are a fecking moron if you think the German league is the similar to the Scottish league.
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What he said
 
Instant Karma said:
During the Premiership era that United dominated, Bayern have won 8 titles in their league. Dortmund have won 3 and 3 others have won once. Almost similar to the Premiership. Bayern have won 1 CL, so have United. 2 German sides have won the UEFA cup while only 1 English side has. The German national side with most players from that league have been far superior to the English national team. How does it make their league inferior ? Even if it's not on par, you are a fecking moron if you think the German league is the similar to the Scottish league.
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Bah. Was hoping the Chief would bite.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
No one is bashing Carrick. They're simply stating truth about him. He is good but not as good as most on here believe. It just hurts a lot of folks on here, because it doesn't coincide with their warped view of a "flawless" Carrick.

That's a poor lie! Carrick was utter gash earlier on this season. That is why Anderson and Hargreaves were often starting ahead of him. Even when Hargreaves was just fresh from injury. At one time O'shea was preffered as a sub instead of him. He ended last year still poor, as compared to what he is now.
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Hargreaves 14 app 11 starts subbed 5 times


Carrick 20 app 15 starts subbed 3 times
 
Instant Karma said:
During the Premiership era that United dominated, Bayern have won 8 titles in their league. Dortmund have won 3 and 3 others have won once. Almost similar to the Premiership. Bayern have won 1 CL, so have United. 2 German sides have won the UEFA cup while only 1 English side has. The German national side with most players from that league have been far superior to the English national team. How does it make their league inferior ? Even if it's not on par, you are a fecking moron if you think the German league is the similar to the Scottish league.
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The PL is a much higher standard and is recognised as such.
 
Hargreaves is stronger in the tackle, and can run around like a headless chicken a little bit more. Apart from that, Carrick is better in every department. Even in aspects of the game that theoretically, Hargreaves should be better at, Carrick is, for instance; reading of the game, positional sense, man marking...

By the way, this doesn't mean that Hargreaves is bad, it just means that Carrick is better.
 
Sam#1 said:
Hargreaves is stronger in the tackle, and can run around like a headless chicken a little bit more. Apart from that, Carrick is better in every department. Even in aspects of the game that theoretically, Hargreaves should be better at, Carrick is, for instance; reading of the game, positional sense, man marking...

By the way, this doesn't mean that Hargreaves is bad, it just means that Carrick is better
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:lol: A player who couldn't master the "mighty" FC Copenhagen midfield:lol:
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
:lol: A player who couldn't master the "mighty" FC Copenhagen midfield:lol:
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Ronaldo didn't score, does that make him shit ?
Rooney didn't score, does that make him shit ?
Scholes didn't set up a goal, does that make him shit ?
Rio conceded a goal, does that make him shit ?
VDS conceded a goal, does that make him shit ?

See what I'm getting at ?
 
Sam#1 said:
Ronaldo didn't score, does that make him shit ?
Scholes didn't set up a goal, does that make him shit ?
Rio conceded a goal, does that make him shit ?
VDS conceded a goal, does that make him shit ?

See what I'm getting at ?
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All of these apply to the Bolton away game or the City games or the Westham game....somehow those are Hargreaves fault even though the Carrick played in most of those games as well.
SAF paying 18 million for him is also Hargreaves fault. :rolleyes:
Even when he doesnt play, our shameless so called 'supporters' resort to bashing a United player.

Per the caftards -
1. Every goal we concede is Hargreaves fault if he is on the pitch.
2. If we dont score and lose a game, its a big game and Ronaldo is selfish big game bottler.
 
Sam#1 said:
Ronaldo didn't score, does that make him shit ?
Rooney didn't score, does that make him shit ?
Scholes didn't set up a goal, does that make him shit ?
Rio conceded a goal, does that make him shit ?
VDS conceded a goal, does that make him shit ?

See what I'm getting at ?
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Oh yes. Carrick who was rubbish vs Lille, Celtic, Copenhagen, and Milan away. Is like them. Carrick who helepd us get dominated by Liverpool away, Chelsea at home and couldn't help us get a point at the Emirates last season. Carrick who helped us get nothing at Bolton with a rubbish performance, this season and helped cost us 2 points this season at the the Emirates is like them. Yes. I see it all now.
 
Sam#1 said:
Ronaldo didn't score, does that make him shit ?
Rooney didn't score, does that make him shit ?
Scholes didn't set up a goal, does that make him shit ?
Rio conceded a goal, does that make him shit ?
VDS conceded a goal, does that make him shit ?

See what I'm getting at ?
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He's unlikely to. He's got a problem with Carrick and it really annoys him that he's doing well at the moment. Not to mention the fact that he successfully played defensive midfield in arguably our second most successful season in our entire history. Annoys him to the extent that he throws his toys out of the pram and abuses anyone who disagrees with him.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Oh yes. Carrick who was rubbish vs Lille, Celtic, Copenhagen, and Milan away. Is like them. Carrick who helepd us get dominated by Liverpool away, Chelsea at home and couldn't help us get a point at the Emirates last season. Carrick who helped us get nothing at Bolton with a rubbish performance, this season and helped cost us 2 points this season at the the Emirates is like them. Yes. I see it all now.
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:lol:

You really are a broken record.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Oh yes. Carrick who was rubbish vs Lille, Celtic, Copenhagen, and Milan away. Is like them. Carrick who helepd us get dominated by Liverpool away, Chelsea at home and couldn't help us get a point at the Emirates last season. Carrick who helped us get nothing at Bolton with a rubbish performance, this season and helped cost us 2 points this season at the the Emirates is like them. Yes. I see it all now.
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I think Carrick is a very good footballer. Don't rate Hargreaves much, mind.

Does this season tell you something it doesn't tell me?
 
Sam, you once called Hargreaves world class. If Carrick is much better in these aspects of the game than Hargreaves is Carrick then world class in your eyes?
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Oh yes. Carrick who was rubbish vs Lille, Celtic, Copenhagen, and Milan away. Is like them. Carrick who helepd us get dominated by Liverpool away, Chelsea at home and couldn't help us get a point at the Emirates last season. Carrick who helped us get nothing at Bolton with a rubbish performance, this season and helped cost us 2 points this season at the the Emirates is like them. Yes. I see it all now.
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Did you actually watch those games, if so I would suggest an eye test!
 
acnumber9 said:
Hargreaves won more trophies than Zidane at that age also. It's not a good enough barometor to measure ability..
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It sure is. When a Zidane could carry a small team like Bordeaux to European glory in the UEFA cup. It matters. What special thing did Carrick do for West Ham or Spurs, in terms of nearing a trophy? To make him superior to Hargreaves? Even in his last year at Spurs they were knocked out of every cup competion early! Failing to keep 4th place in the league after being in it for more than 3/4's of the season. When all Spurs had was the league to concentrate on.

acnumber9 said:
The facts of the matter is some players mature later than others. Carrick's game has improved a hell of a lot over the past three seasons.
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You wish. His pretty much the same player he was as youngtser. Just with experience. His game hasn't changed one bit.

acnumber9 said:
Like I said already, Hargreaves hasn't started anywhere near the number of games for England as you're suggesting. The only way to judge the two players is no how they've preformed so far in their Manchester United careers.
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No. The best way to judge them is over their entire carreers. It's silly to think comparing their Manchester United performances alone is valid. When Carrick only moved here to OT from London while Hargreaves, moved here after 9 years in Germany.


acnumber9 said:
Carrick has been better in my opinion. Hargreaves has time to prove me wrong but the only way he'll do it is on the pitch for Manchester United not on what he did at Bayern Munich.
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What he did at Bayern will always count. Just like Veron's being a world class player always counted. To think other wise is to side with the type of clueless individuals that called Evra shit and Vidic a waste of cash during their first seasons. Yet look at those two players now.
 
RedPhil1957 said:
He had a couple of weak games after his injury, now tell us about all the wonderful games Hargreaves played.
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I've already asked this. Just been tumbleweed so far and a few random claims about us "outpaying" Arsenal this season at Emirates (but not OT for some reason)
 
RedPhil1957 said:
Did you actually watch those games, if so I would suggest an eye test!
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Rather I suggest you get a new brain. For your current one clearly doesn't register anything that goes on, on pitch. For anyone to tell me to get glasses, when I talk of Carrick having been rank shite vs Lille away from home, last season is beyond laughable. It's tragic
 
ralphie88 said:
I've already asked this. Just been tumbleweed so far and a few random claims about us "outpaying" Arsenal this season at Emirates (but not OT for some reason)
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I cannot believe anyone can see him play and not understand how good he is, he rarely gives stupid freekicks away (a H weakness), is good in the air (H is not) and reads the game so well and that allows him to make so many interceptions ....... he has exceeded my expectation, I knew he could pass but not how good he was defensively.
 
RedPhil1957 said:
He had a couple of weak games after his injury,.
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Yep. He was fresh from injury when he was shit vs Bolton and Poor vs Everton at OT:rolleyes:

RedPhil1957 said:
now tell us about all the wonderful games Hargreaves played.
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Arsenal and Liverpool away for starters. Fulham at OT. There are even more. That your brain simply didn't register.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Rather I suggest you get a new brain. For your current one clearly doesn't register anything that goes on, on pitch. For anyone to tell me to get glasses, when I talk of Carrick having been rank shite vs Lille away from home, last season is beyond laughable. It's tragic
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My brain is fine probably why I do seem to have a superior understanding of the game when compared to you.
 
Carrick is a wonderfull passer and a great overall player. Hargreaves is a great hard nose holding midfield who is quick and can win balls all over the pitch. Both players have been up and down this year. Hargreaves is getting used to playing for a different team in a different country playing a completely different system. Carrick lately has been brilliant. Hargreaves partnership with Anderson before Christmas was feckin brilliant. I must say that we are privlidged to have an abundance of quality in the midfield. I love United and I dont slag our player I support them all. Hargreaves was the best player besides Rio and Vidic against Liverpool at Anfield. It was a master class performance and I cant believe nobody cheered him on after that performance. He dominated our biggest rivals and was hardly applauded. IF it was any other player people would be saying "legend" and bullshit like that. Hargreaves is great, Carrick is great.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Yep. He was fresh from injury when he was shit vs Bolton and Poor vs Everton at OT:rolleyes:

Arsenal and Liverpool away for starters. Fulham at OT. There are even more. That your brain simply didn't register.
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he was ok at Arsenal, but not one of the top 3 in that game ....... played well against pool but we created very little in that game -------- and of course the mighty fulham yes quite good but still not the best player on the pitch

on the other hand Carrick has been in contention for M of M a number of times, including Arsenal and Newcastle
 
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