Only if the youngsters are good enough. Garnacho got chances because he was good enough. A young player has to earn his minutes, no exception.
Good shout tbfBruno?
Well, my point exactly.
There’s not point debating the potential sale of a 20yo who may or may not cut it at United and had an okay season on loan in the championship
Wait how is that your point? What I am saying is that not being as good as Bellingham isn't an indicator that we should give up on him.
No but it's an indicator of whether or not the Caf should enter into meltdown mode because of a rumoured £15m fee for a youth payer for which the jury's still clearly out.
As a said in an earlier post, I reckon he still needs at least a couple of years before becoming a player useful for United. And seeing how people get angry at Amad and Pellistri for not yet being world beaters, I highly doubt we'll give Hannibal the time he needs to develop. I mean, half of the forum still thinks we should not renew Rashford
We had the same meltdowns in here last summer because of James Garner who was supposed to be our new midfield anchor but somehow managed only 7 full appearances for Everton.
For my part I love having kids from the academy given opportunities and playing regularly, but I would understand if the club sells a player like Hannibal if an offer in the area of £15-20m comes.
His best chance is if we don’t buy Mount and go for Caicedo or similar 6/8 hybrid type. If we do that I could see him getting minutes in the Eriksen role. If he gets minutes I think he’ll step up.I've loved watching Hannibal at youth levels and really think he's one of the rare academy players who has the ability and strong mentality (in terms of having the confidence / personality to deal with a big club) to make it here.
But getting the chances are difficult for any youngster. And Hannibal's fiery temperament may also be a factor in ETH (not) trusting him in games.
So I can understand why maybe another loan, or a sale with a buy back option if he matures and develops the way he could given his potential, are valid options.
I'm torn about him going to Dortmund, though. I've grown to dislike them with them beating us to Sancho, Haaland, Bellingham - then playing hardball with fees for Sancho (during Covid when fees were lower) and Haaland (despite knowing they'd lose him much cheaper when his release clause kicked in).
On the other hand, they're a club who do help talented youngsters flourish. So as long as we have a buy back option, I can see the benefits. But would be very galling to sell him to them, see him develop into a big talent, and then they just sell him elsewhere for another big profit.
Either way, it would still feel pretty frustrating to me if we do sell a player who has such potential having never giving him any type of chance at all.
Now imagine if it was Mourinho in charge and he sells Igbal and Mejbri without giving them proper minutes.
Hannibal is the one player alongside Amad that a year ago I was convinced would eventually become a first team squad member. I really hope we don't sell him as I still think he has huge potential.
Does anyone know how his contract situation is looking? Providing he has time left I would much prefer one more loan move then assess him next summer to see if he will make it or not.
Even if his loan at Birmingham wasn't a resounding success we had the same with Amad at Rangers but then he had a brilliant time at Sunderland. With young players there is normally an adjustment period to be ready for men's football.
Mejbri is an exception. I don’t care who else we sell but, please gods, not him.I don't remember people saying anything about Mourinho when he sold Sam Johnstone, Adnan Janujaz, and Paddy McNair.
Iqbal and Mejbri are decent young players, but if we can add extra euros to buy an established player by selling them, I won't lose sleep about it.
His best chance is if we don’t buy Mount and go for Caicedo or similar 6/8 hybrid type. If we do that I could see him getting minutes in the Eriksen role. If he gets minutes I think he’ll step up.
But you do agree that Hannibal probably gets fewer minutes if we sign Mount?Not sure I agree, maybe partly as really dont see Mount in the Eriksen role successfully anyway....but
I think with both McAlllister to a degree and certainly with Caeceido, people are under estimating his ability further forward, we witnessed this first hand playing Brighton. His technique is actually very good. He sprays the ball out wide in a similar manner to Mount, his high press is as good as Mounts, he really only lacks the dead ball danger and finishing of Mount but he has that excellent knack of anticipating an incoming challenge and making space for himself with his movement with the ball. Different players but I think Caeceido offers a similar level to Mount further forward and far more defensively which is why we should go for him.
Either way I dont see us signing two central midfielders this window only if we are moving for the likes of Andre, Varela from SOuth AMerica at cheaper rates alongside the likes of Caqueret, but we havent been linked rally to any, so with one signing it has to be a top top all round midfielder for me like Caicedo or Barella and if we offload all the midfielders we should we are probably down to CAsermeiro, Fernandesm Eriksen and a new signing for three positions....there should be opportunities still for both Mainoo AND Hannibal to get decent minutes over the season if they can seize opportunities they get....I think maybe a Mount limits it more for Hannibal and a Caeceido maybe for Mainoo, but there should still be chances and at there age and stage of development, 10games or so next season is a good opportunity for either
I said a year or two ago that he needs to get a hold of his temperament or he'll not make it here.I've loved watching Hannibal at youth levels and really think he's one of the rare academy players who has the ability and strong mentality (in terms of having the confidence / personality to deal with a big club) to make it here.
But getting the chances are difficult for any youngster. And Hannibal's fiery temperament may also be a factor in ETH (not) trusting him in games.
So I can understand why maybe another loan, or a sale with a buy back option if he matures and develops the way he could given his potential, are valid options.
I'm torn about him going to Dortmund, though. I've grown to dislike them with them beating us to Sancho, Haaland, Bellingham - then playing hardball with fees for Sancho (during Covid when fees were lower) and Haaland (despite knowing they'd lose him much cheaper when his release clause kicked in).
On the other hand, they're a club who do help talented youngsters flourish. So as long as we have a buy back option, I can see the benefits. But would be very galling to sell him to them, see him develop into a big talent, and then they just sell him elsewhere for another big profit.
Either way, it would still feel pretty frustrating to me if we do sell a player who has such potential having never giving him any type of chance at all.
But you do agree that Hannibal probably gets fewer minutes if we sign Mount?
Yeah.Not on the bench and didn’t play for the U21’s.
He must be leaving.
I reckon ETH doesn't fancy him. Last pre season Zidane and Savage were starting ahead of him and this season Mainoo and Gore seemed to start ahead of him.Bemused how it’s going for him. I wouldn’t exactly call his loan last season a disaster either.
I reckon ETH doesn't fancy him. Last pre season Zidane and Savage were starting ahead of him and this season Mainoo and Gore seemed to start ahead of him.
Maybe it's his style of play or temperament, but I guess there is something there not to ETH's liking.
I reckon ETH doesn't fancy him. Last pre season Zidane and Savage were starting ahead of him and this season Mainoo and Gore seemed to start ahead of him.
Maybe it's his style of play or temperament, but I guess there is something there not to ETH's liking.
To be fair, most youngsters are overly hyped here. Garnacho has gotten opportunities because he clearly has the talent.Judging by how most of our youngsters have been treated thus far, the manager doesn't seem to fancy many of them.
His passing stats are very weak, which is surprising for a player with seemingly good technique.I reckon ETH doesn't fancy him. Last pre season Zidane and Savage were starting ahead of him and this season Mainoo and Gore seemed to start ahead of him.
Maybe it's his style of play or temperament, but I guess there is something there not to ETH's liking.
Have you actually watched him play?His passing stats are very weak, which is surprising for a player with seemingly good technique.
I reckon ETH doesn't fancy him. Last pre season Zidane and Savage were starting ahead of him and this season Mainoo and Gore seemed to start ahead of him.
Maybe it's his style of play or temperament, but I guess there is something there not to ETH's liking.
All of Birmingham's midfielders were weak in that area, which is probably due to tactical reasons. Their play had a lot of verticality to it, and seemed to try to bypass the midfield or quickly let the midfield pass to the forwards. Birmingham didn't fully utilize Hannibal's on the ball qualities apart from set pieces. They made use of his stamina though.His passing stats are very weak, which is surprising for a player with seemingly good technique.
I am on board with this.Imo we should let him go. For his own sake. SAF stayed here for 20 years and how many top midfielders he produced?
Midfielders and CBs usually mature pretty late. Stay at a top club and play some odd game here and there while they absolutely need to play regularly in their precious window to develop only will eventually destroy their career.
Loan him out won't do him much good either imo. It's pretty hard for a midfielder to settle in a new team, new manager, new tactic. And the manager won't have any serious plan for the kid because he knows the player would leave by the end of the season. Just sell him and insert a buy back clause. Best for all parties involved imo.
We'd likely get £10m including add ons with sell on & buy back clause at best.Sell him to a club like Brighton or Dortmund for 20-25 million euro and slap a return clause of 40-50million. These clubs will utilise these young diamonds and improve them
What youre saying would make more sense if he wasnt being outperformed in possession by Birminhams other midfielders. He can tackle, dribble and create chances, he's poor in possession in general play though.All of Birmingham's midfielders were weak in that area, which is probably due to tactical reasons. Their play had a lot of verticality to it, and seemed to try to bypass the midfield or quickly let the midfield pass to the forwards. Birmingham didn't fully utilize Hannibal's on the ball qualities apart from set pieces. They made use of his stamina though.
Funnily enough, yes, i have seen him play many times, he is after all a Manchester United player and this is a United forum. He has some strengths but imo the reason he hasnt forced his way through like Mainoo has is that his passing isnt up to snuff. His stats confirm that.Have you actually watched him play?
Yet he is still here whilst Savage and Iqbal were sold for pittance. If EtH didn’t want Hannibal, Hannibal would already have left since he’s a much bigger talent than both Iqbal/Savage in terms of world reputation, meaning we would get more money for him.
My take is EtH knows exactly what Hannibal can actually bring to the team but he wasn’t too sure about Iqbal/Savage/whoever else.
EtH also seems very sure about Mainoo and Gore.
Seemslike Mejbri is third in progression to the first team behind Mainoo and Gore.
To say his passing is poor does not give an accurate picture. You have seen him and therefore you know that he has very good passing ability, good range, has the vision to see and hit long passes and has good ball striking ability. His problem is not ability but consistency. His form and temperament are both volatile. I can understand if EtH doesn’t think he’s ready but it’s not down to his passing it’s down to everything he does lacking consistency and refinement. His tackling is probably more of a concern.Funnily enough, yes, i have seen him play many times, he is after all a Manchester United player and this is a United forum. He has some strengths but imo the reason he hasnt forced his way through like Mainoo has is that his passing isnt up to snuff. His stats confirm that.
Is this really necessary? And Antony actually seems to have a fairly good temperament. It’s the other things/abilities I’d question.At the same time our stupid manager loves Antony.
