So don’t sell him to Dortmund full stop.Obviously they wouldn't accept a fairly low buy-back clause, but something like €50m might work for everyone. If he really kicks on and develops into a top player, we could buy him back for a bit cheaper than what he otherwise would be but they still get a big profit.
I would be disappointed if we sold him without some kind of clause, especially for 'only' €15m.
Pretty sure they would rather give that game time to a youngster that could net them £70m-£100m rather than take on the risk for the upside of £20-25m.If even Utd entertain the offer, we still have to put buy back clause for him if we value his potential and think the move will help him develop in a steady environment (if he himself workhard ofcourse) like Dortmund. Insert 35-40 buy back effectove in 2 years. It effectively paying Dortmund to help develope him for 2 years for us.
Pretty sure they would rather give that game time to a youngster that could net them £70m-£100m rather than take on the risk for the upside of £20-25m.
I do think we overrate our youth a bit tbh. If we can get 15m euros for him and inset sell on/buy back I'd be fine with that.
Your points are valid, we can't sell McT, Fred, DvB etc without some replacements being available, we'll never know if he's good enough or not until he plays some games for us, selling him now makes zero sense to meSeems people quite happy to sell him, he has deficinencies....but then everyone wants a buy back clause? So say we sell him for £15m ad he makes it....we then buy him back in three years foe £30/40m? How is that good business.
We should be moving on Fed, McTominay and VDB this summer. We also have in Eriksen a player I believe whose legs have gone....if we do move these players on, that leave us with Casemeiro and Fernandes as our real viable midfield options, two top players in three positions. We arent signing 3 or 4 midfielders this summer.
Why should we be moving on Hannibal for £15m odd, does £15m really help finance our rebuild, it really doesnt make a big difference individually.
As for the deficiencies, yes he may have them....so does Fernandes, Rashford, Antony, Shaw. Why are people mentioning some temperament problems or game weaknesses as if most players dont have them?
I saw a report saying Ten Hag doesnt want mediocre young players, only those with huge potential and everyone seems to be mentioning Amad after a rightly successful loan period. We have four players in my opionion who have genuine potential to be great players and personally Amad isnt one of them. They are Garnacho, Pellestri, Mainoo and Hannibal and the latter two should get opportunities next season if we move on what are mediocre midfielders currently in the squad.
Hannibal may fail to progress here, but he shouldnt be loaned and I dont think he should be sold. He should be here next season and we should see how he takes his opportunities.
An average loan and people writing him off. Expect a fair few of these posters also wrote Amad off at Rangers and are now banging a drum for him from a successful loan. Far too many parameters in a loan deal to be making these kind f judgements. Hannibal for sure has the ability to be a top player, whether he does or not is far from guaranteed, but £15m sale for a precocious young talent in an area of our squad we are looking to move on half our options and buy one or two, doesnt make sense to me....I will get slaughtered for this comment but put Hannibal in the number 8 position game in game out.....he does better than Eriksen would next season and that isnt something I want, nor a ringin gendorsement either, Eriksen is done
We paid £10m for him. Unless the buyback clause is for £15m they can feck off with that offer.
In this world of amortisation doesn't £15m up front equate to our ability to spend 5X that if we sign a player to a 5 year contract, or more for longer? so £15m may well finance a big part of a midfield rebuildSeems people quite happy to sell him, he has deficinencies....but then everyone wants a buy back clause? So say we sell him for £15m ad he makes it....we then buy him back in three years foe £30/40m? How is that good business.
We should be moving on Fed, McTominay and VDB this summer. We also have in Eriksen a player I believe whose legs have gone....if we do move these players on, that leave us with Casemeiro and Fernandes as our real viable midfield options, two top players in three positions. We arent signing 3 or 4 midfielders this summer.
Why should we be moving on Hannibal for £15m odd, does £15m really help finance our rebuild, it really doesnt make a big difference individually.
As for the deficiencies, yes he may have them....so does Fernandes, Rashford, Antony, Shaw. Why are people mentioning some temperament problems or game weaknesses as if most players dont have them?
I saw a report saying Ten Hag doesnt want mediocre young players, only those with huge potential and everyone seems to be mentioning Amad after a rightly successful loan period. We have four players in my opionion who have genuine potential to be great players and personally Amad isnt one of them. They are Garnacho, Pellestri, Mainoo and Hannibal and the latter two should get opportunities next season if we move on what are mediocre midfielders currently in the squad.
Hannibal may fail to progress here, but he shouldnt be loaned and I dont think he should be sold. He should be here next season and we should see how he takes his opportunities.
An average loan and people writing him off. Expect a fair few of these posters also wrote Amad off at Rangers and are now banging a drum for him from a successful loan. Far too many parameters in a loan deal to be making these kind f judgements. Hannibal for sure has the ability to be a top player, whether he does or not is far from guaranteed, but £15m sale for a precocious young talent in an area of our squad we are looking to move on half our options and buy one or two, doesnt make sense to me....I will get slaughtered for this comment but put Hannibal in the number 8 position game in game out.....he does better than Eriksen would next season and that isnt something I want, nor a ringin gendorsement either, Eriksen is done
Well yes but that £75m fee would still need to be paid in actual money . I don't believe we actually have much to worry about FFP issues but more about our Cash flow situation .In this world of amortisation doesn't £15m up front equate to our ability to spend 5X that if we sign a player to a 5 year contract, or more for longer? so £15m may well finance a big part of a midfield rebuild
He was rated as one of the best youngsters in the world when we signed him, to be fair.I do think we overrate our youth a bit tbh. If we can get 15m euros for him and inset sell on/buy back I'd be fine with that.
Seems people quite happy to sell him, he has deficinencies....but then everyone wants a buy back clause? So say we sell him for £15m ad he makes it....we then buy him back in three years foe £30/40m? How is that good business.
We should be moving on Fed, McTominay and VDB this summer. We also have in Eriksen a player I believe whose legs have gone....if we do move these players on, that leave us with Casemeiro and Fernandes as our real viable midfield options, two top players in three positions. We arent signing 3 or 4 midfielders this summer.
Why should we be moving on Hannibal for £15m odd, does £15m really help finance our rebuild, it really doesnt make a big difference individually.
As for the deficiencies, yes he may have them....so does Fernandes, Rashford, Antony, Shaw. Why are people mentioning some temperament problems or game weaknesses as if most players dont have them?
I saw a report saying Ten Hag doesnt want mediocre young players, only those with huge potential and everyone seems to be mentioning Amad after a rightly successful loan period. We have four players in my opionion who have genuine potential to be great players and personally Amad isnt one of them. They are Garnacho, Pellestri, Mainoo and Hannibal and the latter two should get opportunities next season if we move on what are mediocre midfielders currently in the squad.
Hannibal may fail to progress here, but he shouldnt be loaned and I dont think he should be sold. He should be here next season and we should see how he takes his opportunities.
An average loan and people writing him off. Expect a fair few of these posters also wrote Amad off at Rangers and are now banging a drum for him from a successful loan. Far too many parameters in a loan deal to be making these kind f judgements. Hannibal for sure has the ability to be a top player, whether he does or not is far from guaranteed, but £15m sale for a precocious young talent in an area of our squad we are looking to move on half our options and buy one or two, doesnt make sense to me....I will get slaughtered for this comment but put Hannibal in the number 8 position game in game out.....he does better than Eriksen would next season and that isnt something I want, nor a ringin gendorsement either, Eriksen is done
I do think we overrate our youth a bit tbh. If we can get 15m euros for him and inset sell on/buy back I'd be fine with that.
He was rated as one of the best youngsters in the world when we signed him, to be fair.
We need to stop this charity mentality that has brought us where we are.
He's already 20,5 years and he's not even featuring in sub cameos.
20 years should be the limit for players breaking into the first team (as squad options). If they don't then sell with or without some kind of recoup if they have any possible bright or release them.
Spot on mate.He made sub appearances in the 21/22 season then spent last year out on loan so there is no way he could have played for us.
He has been classed as one of the hottest talents in European football over the last few seasons and so the only charity mentality would be to sell him on to a club like Dortmund for 15M when he is worth more and they can easily afford to pay more. The loan to Birmingham was ill conceived because they played dire football so he needs a much more appropriate move this summer, if he is to be sold permanently then Dortmund can open the bidding at 30M or they can do one.
He made sub appearances in the 21/22 season then spent last year out on loan so there is no way he could have played for us.
He has been classed as one of the hottest talents in European football over the last few seasons and so the only charity mentality would be to sell him on to a club like Dortmund for 15M when he is worth more and they can easily afford to pay more. The loan to Birmingham was ill conceived because they played dire football so he needs a much more appropriate move this summer, if he is to be sold permanently then Dortmund can open the bidding at 30M or they can do one.
Dortmund probably kept a close eye on Hannibal since he was the standout player against them in the Uefa youth league. He carried United's attack in that particular game.
Didn’t he cost us 10?I do think we overrate our youth a bit tbh. If we can get 15m euros for him and inset sell on/buy back I'd be fine with that.
