Gylfi Sigurdsson

High wages he was demanding? Liverpool weren't prepared to pay him more than what Swansea were paying. 15k per week. Shelvey is probably making more than that.

I'd heard that Liverpool were offering him 40k a week, so it's just speculation from both of us as to what was on offer from the 2 clubs. What I do know however, is that had Rodgers stayed at Swansea, the lad would be looking forward to playing at The Liberty stadium next season. So assuming you're right about him being on 15k. If he was happy enough to sign for Rodgers & Swansea. Why wasn't he happy to sign for Rodgers & Liverpool ?

Like the song says: It's all about the money.
 
I'd heard that Liverpool were offering him 40k a week, so it's just speculation from both of us as to what was on offer from the 2 clubs. What I do know however, is that had Rodgers stayed at Swansea, the lad would be looking forward to playing at The Liberty stadium next season. So assuming you're right about him being on 15k. If he was happy enough to sign for Rodgers & Swansea. Why wasn't he happy to sign for Rodgers & Liverpool ?

Like the song says: It's all about the money.

Or perhaps he wanted to go to a better club once he got an offer on the table?
 
I'd heard that Liverpool were offering him 40k a week, so it's just speculation from both of us as to what was on offer from the 2 clubs. What I do know however, is that had Rodgers stayed at Swansea, the lad would be looking forward to playing at The Liberty stadium next season. So assuming you're right about him being on 15k. If he was happy enough to sign for Rodgers & Swansea. Why wasn't he happy to sign for Rodgers & Liverpool ?

Like the song says: It's all about the money.

read up on behavioral economics.

people and players are satisfied with their wages more in comparison to their peers than the actual wage number.

15k at swansea would probably make gylfi one of the top earners.

15k at liverpool would make him one of the paupers in that dressing room.
 
read up on behavioral economics.

people and players are satisfied with their wages more in comparison to their peers than the actual wage number.

15k at swansea would probably make gylfi one of the top earners.

15k at liverpool would make him one of the paupers in that dressing room.

That's working on the assumption that he was only offered a salary of £15k. I'd heard that it was nearly 3 times that amount. But when you look at the lad's history, he's cut his trade playing for 3 modest clubs, & has been sold 3 times for 3 modest fees. I don't need to read up on any sort of economics to come to the conclusion that £50k a week is a lot to pay for someone who needs to prove himself at a higher level.
 
That's working on the assumption that he was only offered a salary of £15k. I'd heard that it was nearly 3 times that amount. But when you look at the lad's history, he's cut his trade playing for 3 modest clubs, & has been sold 3 times for 3 modest fees. I don't need to read up on any sort of economics to come to the conclusion that £50k a week is a lot to pay for someone who needs to prove himself at a higher level.

not when shithawks like henderson, downing and carroll would be on more. :lol:

how could any quality player take themselves seriously when you have chancers like that in the dressing room earning more than you.
 
You think he'd have still chosen Spurs, & moved for 'footballing reasons', if Liverpool had Offered him higher wages ?

Not a chance.

If both had offered him the same amount of money, he would have probably chosen Spurs as they have a better team and will probably be better off in the near future.

'Not a chance' is a very arrogant view, if the distance was slight he'd have still likely picked Spurs - only if Liverpool had offered him significantly more money it'd have made sense to move there. I don't get why you find it so hard to believe that a player would prefer to play for Spurs than Liverpool - it's perfectly reasonable and would probably be shared by majority footballers across the world.
 
If both had offered him the same amount of money, he would have probably chosen Spurs as they have a better team and will probably be better off in the near future.

'Not a chance' is a very arrogant view, if the distance was slight he'd have still likely picked Spurs - only if Liverpool had offered him significantly more money it'd have made sense to move there. I don't get why you find it so hard to believe that a player would prefer to play for Spurs than Liverpool - it's perfectly reasonable and would probably be shared by majority footballers across the world.

I'd like to add one thing. Gylfi is a United fan, always has been. He was quoted in an Icelandic interview as recently as the 16th of May talking about that his dream is to play for United. If he ever wants to join United there is pretty much only one club in the whole world that he should stay away from, that club is Liverpool (ok, so City might come to mind as well). I don't know how big of a part that played but it must be lingering in the back of his mind somewhere.

Anyway, I'm really happy that he signed for Spurs, it would have been terrible seeing him play for Liverpool.

Plus... Spurs are just better than Liverpool.
 
Why would anyone want to move to a club and get severely underpaid in comparison to Jordan Henderson!?
 
Better club, better management (not just manager but management of the club), better players, better league position, better city, better wages and a much more likely way of ever joining the club he supports.

This is a no brainer, surely?
 
not when shithawks like henderson, downing and carroll would be on more. :lol:

how could any quality player take themselves seriously when you have chancers like that in the dressing room earning more than you.

None of those 3 players you mention have been shipped out on loan as often as Sigurdson - Shrewsbury, Crewe, & Swansea - Add that to the fact that he couldn't nail down a place with a mid-table German side before he was loaned out to Swansea. All things considered, I feel the word 'quality' is you be a little bit premature.
 
'If he comes into the market for whatever reason - and I'm sure there'll be a number of clubs interested in Gylfi - then of course I would like to be in a position to put our case here at Liverpool to sign him.

Looks like B-Rod missed out.
 
B-Rod did miss out. It also seems like B-Rod was not willing to pay Gylfi's asking salary. So a conscious choice made by both parties.
 
None of those 3 players you mention have been shipped out on loan as often as Sigurdson - Shrewsbury, Crewe, & Swansea - Add that to the fact that he couldn't nail down a place with a mid-table German side before he was loaned out to Swansea. All things considered, I feel the word 'quality' is you be a little bit premature.

You speak again out of ignorance. First of all you don't know how Hoffenheim works or German clubs for that matter.

Ralf Ragngnick bought Gylfi. He had a place in the team, became their top scorer in his first season despite more sub appearances than most and he was voted the fans player of the year. Then Rangnick leaves. He gets injured in the pre-season and is out for a few months. He was injured for quite a while because Germans want to you train through your injury if you are able to. In his first two months at Swansea he was neither match fit or physically fit. He still played through his injury but a certain aspect of his game, like shooting, got worse because of it.

He was loaned to Shrewsbury and Crew when he was 19. The next season he played himself into the starting lineup and ended up as the player of the season. So 2 clubs, twice player of the season at said club.

Jordan Henderson cost twice the money, is on a much higher wage and hasn't performed as well in his career. He's a good comparison considering the age of the two players. So if Gylfi isn't worth it you must be absolutely livid because of Jordan.
 
B-Rod did miss out. It also seems like B-Rod was not willing to pay Gylfi's asking salary. So a conscious choice made by both parties.

Is the manager at Liverpool in charge of wages as well? I thought they had a similar get up as Tottenham have now.
 
B-Rod did miss out. It also seems like B-Rod was not willing to pay Gylfi's asking salary. So a conscious choice made by both parties.

You mean the club weren't prepared to pay his salary.

A manager just wants the player, he doesn't negotiate salary.

Seems he failed to get a player, despite Spurs not even having a manager at the time.

Managerless Spurs > Rodgers Liverpool
 
I'd heard that Liverpool were offering him 40k a week, so it's just speculation from both of us as to what was on offer from the 2 clubs. What I do know however, is that had Rodgers stayed at Swansea, the lad would be looking forward to playing at The Liberty stadium next season. So assuming you're right about him being on 15k. If he was happy enough to sign for Rodgers & Swansea. Why wasn't he happy to sign for Rodgers & Liverpool ?

Like the song says: It's all about the money.

Because at that point neither Liverpool or Tottenham were in for him.

Why can't you just accept that the guy chose Tottenham over Liverpool without all the pathetic sour grapes over money-grabbing and pretence that Liverpool didn't really want him anyway?
 
There are a million and one reasons not to move to the self pity city:

1: Like the rest of the world he sees what a complete cnut Suarez is and
doesnt trust himself not to smack feck out of him.
2: He HATES Phil Collins
3: The accent makes his ears bleed
4: He doesnt want to be a spacegoat as Liverpool continue their slide into mediocrity and irrelevence.
5: He is allergic to shell suits.
6: As a united Supporter he would be unable to stay on the pitch whilst Munich songs are being sung.
7: He doesnt want to be the millionth customer to bang Alex Curran
8: That stupid "This is anfield" sign would make him laugh too much to play.
9: The fact most Liverpool supporters are so fixed on the past he thinks he will have to listen to salt n pepper and Vanilla Ice, watch videos, and go to the movies and see Home alone.
 
You think he'd have still chosen Spurs, & moved for 'footballing reasons', if Liverpool had Offered him higher wages ?

Not a chance.

This transfer reminds me of the Harry Kewell one some years back. If Harry Kewell went to Liverpool for footballing reasons and a 'club on the up' and the fans swollowed that shit, then they can swollow the same from Sigurdsson now.

What Sigurdsson is saying now, is just as fake as what Kewell said then and any clued up football fan knows it, just like they did in the case of Kewell. The real difference is that now the shoe is on the other foot, and Liverpool fans are now reacting like United & Arsenal fans were back then. i.e. Lets says it's all becasue of money. Has to be money, why else would they go to inferior clubs, right?
 
This transfer reminds me of the Harry Kewell one some years back. If Harry Kewell went to Liverpool for footballing reasons and a 'club on the up' and the fans swollowed that shit, then they can swollow the same from Sigurdsson now.

What Sigurdsson is saying now, is just as fake as what Kewell said then and any clued up football fan knows it, just like they did in the case of Kewell. The real difference is that now the shoe is on the other foot, and Liverpool fans are now reacting like United & Arsenal fans were back then. i.e. Lets says it's all becasue of money. Has to be money, why else would they go to inferior clubs, right?

Why are Spurs inferior to Liverpool now, having finished higher than them for three seasons in a row?
 
Well according to Eden Hazard...

Managerless Chelsea > Sir Alex's Manchester United

I see what you mean.

Wrong again. Liverpool have a new manager who might or might not stay there for a long period. Tottenham were managerless for a period of time but it was clear that they'd be appoiting AVB for a while.

Also, United were much better in the league last season and generally have a stronger team. Not the case for Liverpool at all.

Most footballers would rather play for current Spurs than current Liverpool.
 
Wrong again. Liverpool have a new manager who might or might not stay there for a long period. Tottenham were managerless for a period of time but it was clear that they'd be appoiting AVB for a while.

Also, United were much better in the league last season and generally have a stronger team. Not the case for Liverpool at all.

Most footballers would rather play for current Spurs than current Liverpool.

Oh my God...

Check your PM :lol:
 
Doesn't hurt as much as you'd probably like it to.

After all he's no, e.g., Nasri or Sneijder in the international scene. :D

Think it's rather "shouldn't hurt as much as the Liverpool fans are showing". It's like they need to have a reason to be angry. I thought this was the time of year when they think they'll win the league?
 
The hurt Liverpool fans are showing is the realisation that they are seen as a smaller club with less ambition than Spurs. Spurs.
 
Jesus Christ. How can people think it is all about the money? Liverpool have acquired shit players recently, look nowhere near qualifying for a CL place and on top of that have sympathized as a team/club/whatever with a vindictive racist

Spurs - in my view - is the obvious choice

ps: Sigurdsson has always been an avid United fan
 
Doesn't hurt as much as you'd probably like it to.

After all he's no, e.g., Nasri or Sneijder in the international scene. :D

At least we were in a position to realistically think about signing those players..........Andy Carroll, Jordan Henderson? I would rather be turned down by world class players than sign dross like that.
 
New Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers has claimed that Gylfi Sigurdsson's excessive salary demands saw the collapse of his move to the Anfield club.

Having struck a deal to stay at Swansea - where he had enjoyed a successful loan period in the first half of 2012 - the Icelandic midfielder then requested a higher wage to move to Merseyside, something Rodgers was not prepared to authorise.

The Reds appeared to be in pole position because of the player's relationship with the manager but when discussions began over finances Rodgers discovered the 22-year-old was asking for more money than he had agreed at Swansea.

Rodgers did not feel that was justified and, as a result, Sigurdsson signed for Tottenham - because of the club's ambition and quality squad according to the player .

"He wasn't playing at Hoffenheim, I brought him to Swansea and he did very well for me there, scoring seven goals in 19 games and was very good," said the Reds boss, who succeeded Kenny Dalglish just over a month ago.

"He and I both sat and spoke and believed that playing football was going to be the most important aspect for him.

"But obviously it was important financially so we agreed a deal for him to go to Swansea and that was wrapped up.

"I then became the Liverpool manager and that then wasn't something that was going to happen at Swansea so he then had a choice of where he wanted to go.

"I knew what the market was and I wasn't prepared to pay anything over what I had known was agreed before.

"Liverpool would have provided Gylfi with a wonderful opportunity to perform with a manager that he knows and at a club which is a real footballing institution.

"But he's decided to go to Tottenham, for whatever reason.

"I wish him the best, he's a good kid and there's no ill feeling. We've got other targets and we'll move on."

Ice man: Sigurdsson opted for Spurs over Liverpool despite his relationship with is ex-boss at Swansea and Reading
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Rodgers is now looking at other targets to bring in this summer but wants players who will fit in with his way of working and the club itself and dovetail with the current squad.

"I've got a bunch of wonderful players here," he told liverpoolfc.com.

"I'm going to take time to have a look at that. I believe there's one or two areas that I'll need to improve on for sure but overall the core of the group is strong.

"But like any manager, you want to add the other pieces that can complete your jigsaw and that's something that we're doing over a period of time.

"This window for the summer, you either had to get your business in early or it was going to run over towards the end of the window, just purely because of all the games and holidays and championships and everything that was going on.

"We're doing a lot of work off the field in terms of potential players to come in, but it will only be a certain type of player that will fit the model here at Liverpool."

Many of his squad have yet to return to pre-season training because of their involvement in summer internationals but those who were back at Melwood this week have already had an introduction to what Rodgers wants to achieve and how he wants to do so.

"The last couple of days were really about painting the vision so that people understand what direction we're moving in," said the 39-year-old.

"We had a really good meeting with the staff on Tuesday. I just felt it was important from the very first day with the staff they understand how I work, my values and morals on and off the field.

"Then obviously for the players it's about what I can do to help them achieve what it is they want to achieve, and let them understand the principles of how I'm going to work and look at the direction which the club is moving in.

"They understand where I'm coming from, from day one, which is important.

"There's no mystery behind it, they understand the vision and the culture that we're trying to create here.

"We can now move forward in confidence and look to work hard and work well."

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I don't know if Rodgers is being obtuse, but of course a player is going to ask for more money when he knows that there's a bidding war between two much bigger teams.

Not to mention the fact he could have gone there and been picked ahead of players being paid much more than he was.
 
Jesus Christ. How can people think it is all about the money? Liverpool have acquired shit players recently, look nowhere near qualifying for a CL place and on top of that have sympathized as a team/club/whatever with a vindictive racist

Spurs - in my view - is the obvious choice

ps: Sigurdsson has always been an avid United fan

I know some Liverpool fans who are claiming that this is the key factor in the move. They think he sees Tottenham as a stepping stone to Utd whereas going to Liverpool would have ruled it out.
 
Looks like a good player to me, I would not have been disappointed at all had we signed him......not saying I'm a good judge mind, just my opinion he looked promising at Swansea and would have suited us.....
 
You speak again out of ignorance. First of all you don't know how Hoffenheim works or German clubs for that matter.

Ralf Ragngnick bought Gylfi. He had a place in the team, became their top scorer in his first season despite more sub appearances than most and he was voted the fans player of the year. Then Rangnick leaves. He gets injured in the pre-season and is out for a few months. He was injured for quite a while because Germans want to you train through your injury if you are able to. In his first two months at Swansea he was neither match fit or physically fit. He still played through his injury but a certain aspect of his game, like shooting, got worse because of it.

He was loaned to Shrewsbury and Crew when he was 19. The next season he played himself into the starting lineup and ended up as the player of the season. So 2 clubs, twice player of the season at said club.

Jordan Henderson cost twice the money, is on a much higher wage and hasn't performed as well in his career. He's a good comparison considering the age of the two players. So if Gylfi isn't worth it you must be absolutely livid because of Jordan.

Jonjo Shelvey went on loan to Blackpool last season & scored 6 goals in 10 games. It's fair to say that had he stayed for longer it's quite possible he'd have ended up with the POTY award. Doesn't mean he's going to make the grade at the top level though - If this lad is so good, why hasn't Fergie shown any interest. After all, he'd only cost a few million more than what you paid for the young lad from Crewe, so it wouldn't put too much dent in United's transfer budget. It would also give you strength in depth in an area that most United fans feel is lacking.

It's one thing doing well for a lesser side, but it doesn't always mean a player will replicate it when playing for a big club. ironically enough, Robbie Keane is a prime example. Great player for Spurs when they were regular mid-table finishers. But he struggled big-time when he moved to Anfield in a side that was ready to challenge for the title. He was never given the time & space he had when he was at Tottenham because sides knew they had to work that little bit harder. Keane himself didn't have the extra quality needed to make the difference. Only time will tell if Sigurdsson has what it takes to make, what is, a big step up.
 
Jonjo Shelvey went on loan to Blackpool last season & scored 6 goals in 10 games. It's fair to say that had he stayed for longer it's quite possible he'd have ended up with the POTY award. Doesn't mean he's going to make the grade at the top level though - If this lad is so good, why hasn't Fergie shown any interest. After all, he'd only cost a few million more than what you paid for the young lad from Crewe, so it wouldn't put too much dent in United's transfer budget. It would also give you strength in depth in an area that most United fans feel is lacking.

It's one thing doing well for a lesser side, but it doesn't always mean a player will replicate it when playing for a big club. ironically enough, Robbie Keane is a prime example. Great player for Spurs when they were regular mid-table finishers. But he struggled big-time when he moved to Anfield in a side that was ready to challenge for the title. He was never given the time & space he had when he was at Tottenham because sides knew they had to work that little bit harder. Keane himself didn't have the extra quality needed to make the difference. Only time will tell if Sigurdsson has what it takes to make, what is, a big step up.

Good point.

Look how poorly Henderson and Carroll have done after being signed on the basis of a good half season at a mid table team.
 
"Liverpool would have provided Gylfi with a wonderful opportunity to perform with a manager that he knows and at a club which is a real footballing institution. But he's decided to go to Tottenham, for whatever reason."

Tottenham is a 'real footballing institution' too.