Gun shots outside Parliament: Police shoot assailant following car attack on Westminster Bridge

Imo, once you start killing civilians with no motive you should be called and terrorist and judged by that standard.

That's the opposite of my point. They're acts of terrorism not committed by terrorists. If you see my point. They're crimes. I despise the use of the word "Terrorism" to sell newspapers and advertising.

Technically it's just a word but if you're monetising it then you're fcuking up society.

"Terrorism" can be mitigated, never stopped. That is large scale groups with an ongoing agenda with specific plans can be monitored, infiltrated etc.

"Crime" is going to happen. If it's not linked to an organised group then it's almost entirely unstoppable.

Throwing those two together is retarded and muddies the water. That it's done for profit is unforgiveable.
 
Not sure how true it is at this stage but seen a few tweets saying that a 75 year old man has also died. Hope it's bollocks.
 
Not sure how true it is at this stage but seen a few tweets saying that a 75 year old man has also died. Hope it's bollocks.
Been reported in the national press- seems to be true, sadly.
 
Don't know whether to be embarrassed or not, my vocabulary is not great and I don't have a dictionary with me. But can someone please explain that last tweet?

I think what she's saying is that the narrative of strength and unity we saw afterwards was an attempt to invoke imperial times. Which is quite clearly nonsense. Could be wrong though...her wording is a whole load of fluff.
 
I think what she's saying is that the narrative of strength and unity we saw afterwards was an attempt to invoke imperial times. Which is quite clearly nonsense. Could be wrong though...her wording is a whole load of fluff.

Well more to the point that the 'what the feck are you guys all freaking out about?' message was a deliberately constructed, chest thumping exercise in 'Britain is the bloody best isn't it' thats been popular because it fits in with Westminster's/the rights ongoing narrative regarding how great we are and how the EU (I assume the reference to 'deteriorating discourse' is to the state of politics post Brexit) has dragged us down for years and longing for a bygone era (in this instance through the classic trope of the British 'stiff upper lip').

Which actually probably isn't quite as stupid a point (whether you agree with it or not) as I initially thought she was making, but then thats the dangers of writing like a pretentious twazzock.
 
Don't know whether to be embarrassed or not, my vocabulary is not great and I don't have a dictionary with me. But can someone please explain that last tweet?
Basically, "who's got two thumbs and just read a non-fiction book".

Empire-retro, ffs.
 
This is ridiculous, for so many reasons
Supporting a family that has just lost their father/husband so they don't have to worry about paying the bills. I'm not sure how anybody could have any objections to that.
 
I see that odious frogfaced cnut Farage has wasted no time already linking this to immigration, ignoring the fact the perp was British born :rolleyes:

When Trump hopefully gets impeached I hope Fromage somehow goes down with him.
 
I see that odious frogfaced cnut Farage has wasted no time already linking this to immigration, ignoring the fact the perp was British born :rolleyes:

When Trump hopefully gets impeached I hope Fromage somehow goes down with him.

Oy! He has nothing to do with us!
 
I see that odious frogfaced cnut Farage has wasted no time already linking this to immigration, ignoring the fact the perp was British born :rolleyes:

When Trump hopefully gets impeached I hope Fromage somehow goes down with him.

Not just British Born.

He was 52 from kent. Just like farage.
 
This is ridiculous, for so many reasons

Nothing ridiculous about it at all. This is a heart warming gesture from the public who Keith Palmer was protecting. R.I.P. to all of the victims and condolences to all their families.
 
Not just British Born.

He was 52 from kent. Just like farage.
Temporarily from Kent - not 'Asian' as first suspected and also not born into a Muslim family, it seems he was quite the nomad and suffering from deep emotional trauma:

Detailed biography from the Telegraph and Guardian below

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/birmingham-neighbour-khalid-masood-winson-green

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/23/london-attack-everything-know-khalid-masood/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/23/violent-extremist-dropped-polices-radar/
 
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Temporarily from Kent - not 'Asian' as first suspected and also not born into a Muslim family, it seems he was quite the nomad and suffering from deep emotional trauma:

Detailed biography from the Telegraph and Guardian below

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/birmingham-neighbour-khalid-masood-winson-green

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/23/london-attack-everything-know-khalid-masood/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/23/violent-extremist-dropped-polices-radar/
What makes you think he was suffering from "deep emotional trauma?"
 
The direction this thread has taken is genuinely appalling.

@Pogue Mahone the article you posted is absolutely spot on. Its pathetic. Everyone just wants to get in their cheap shots at the other side. 5 people have died ffs.
 
The woman in Fearless's post, number 958, and explained in post number 961.

Edit : sorry, gave the wrong number earlier.
Got it. Yes seen it before. Good luck to her.

She tackles a pertinent point, the politicisation of Islam by StrongMen intent on securing power, much of it funded, aided and abetted by the West in exchange for oil.

Part of a very different debate to this thread. Typical fearless trying to troll.
 
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Supporting a family that has just lost their father/husband so they don't have to worry about paying the bills. I'm not sure how anybody could have any objections to that.

Given we're in the midst of what's been called "the worst humanitarian crisis in the history of the UN" and fundraising will play a critical role in attempts to mitigate if not address that, you could take the viewpoint that it's indicative of misplaced priorities and misplaced donations. The reality is there are other parts of the world and other people that, objectively, need that money more than his family do. Or you could simply look at it as a heartwarming gesture and acknowledge the two things aren't mutually exclusive. Both seem reasonable to me, depending on your perspective and what you value in life. There are biological and moral reasons for taking care of "your own" before taking care of others. I don't think the alternative viewpoint is particularly controversial though.

The direction this thread has taken is genuinely appalling.

@Pogue Mahone the article you posted is absolutely spot on. Its pathetic. Everyone just wants to get in their cheap shots at the other side. 5 people have died ffs.

5 people that none of us know and none of us have any real connection to. I live in London, I walked through that area the day before, I have colleagues minutes away from it. I'm not as close to it all as you are, but then I'm closer to it than 90%+ of people here. I still don't have any personal connection to the victims or the incident though.

The flipside of Pogue's article is that a significant portion of people here wouldn't have been thinking about it, never mind talking about it, because they wouldn't have heard about it. The way mass media works now means it brings people "closer" to the event than ever before, despite having no authentic connection to the area it took place in never mind the victims.

For these people to offer their condolences to the family, make a point of having a moment of silence for the dead and offer whatever other gestures you can think of, it would be so inauthentic and so impersonal that it would be even more of an indictment on society than what's happened here, in my view.

It makes sense for people with no direct connection to the incident to talk about the macro elements of it. It's highly likely that it will lead nowhere constructive, but it's got more hope of doing so than a stranger writing a personal message about another stranger they've never met, simply because it's a nice thing to do.
 
Got it. Yes seen it before. Good luck to her.

She tackles a pertinent point, the politicisation of Islam by StrongMen intent on securing power, much of it funded, aided and abetted by the West in exchange for oil. Part of a very different debate to this thread. Typical fearless trying to troll.

I'd say it's the very core of this debate - and all other debates that relate to this perverse ideology.

Ignorance is not bliss anymore and blaming the West does nothing, absolutely nothing, to help Islam repair itself.
 
The direction this thread has taken is genuinely appalling.

@Pogue Mahone the article you posted is absolutely spot on. Its pathetic. Everyone just wants to get in their cheap shots at the other side. 5 people have died ffs.

This happens every time there's an attack like this. I get the impression certain posters get giddy when these tragic events happen since it gives them an opportunity to air their cheap shots, irrespective of the context and circumstances surrounding the perpetrator(s).

Fearless' post above is a classic example. He's posted that video in pretty much every terrorist attack thread irrelevant of the context (except for the ones where Muslims were the victims incidentally).
 
This happens every time there's an attack like this. I get the impression certain posters get giddy when these tragic events happen since it gives them an opportunity to air their cheap shots, irrespective of the context and circumstances surrounding the perpetrator(s).

Fearless' post above is a classic example. He's posted that video in pretty much every terrorist attack thread irrelevant of the context (except for the ones where Muslims were the victims incidentally).

Its pretty much what I was referring to. It happens on both sides for sure but I get the sense that some people are genuinely almost gleeful when this happens. Its more a case for them to shout about how right they are rather than any true concern for the victims.

Its pathetic.

If you haven't already, read the article Pogue posted. It is spot on.
 
This happens every time there's an attack like this. I get the impression certain posters get giddy when these tragic events happen since it gives them an opportunity to air their cheap shots, irrespective of the context and circumstances surrounding the perpetrator(s).

Fearless' post above is a classic example. He's posted that video in pretty much every terrorist attack thread irrelevant of the context (except for the ones where Muslims were the victims incidentally).

The context is Islam.

And calling me a racist/troll doesn't change that I'm afraid.
 
The context is Islam.

And calling me a racist/troll doesn't change that I'm afraid.

OK you've gotten your cheap shot in, now expand how you intend to deal with this alleged problem? You like posting the same Pat Condell and Wafa Sultan videos in every terrorism thread but don't actually offer any solutions. I'm genuinely curious.